Loco Rojo
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This whole debate by the authorities is shameful in the current climate and shows a real disregard for players (their families), coaches, support staff and medical staff (not to mention any non football people that would be impacted under some of the rumoured plans, e.g. hotel staff needed if players are quarantined).
It's also hugely disrespectful to the NHS and would be a needless drain on their limited resources given there will be an expectation on them to treat any infected players should that happen as a result of restarting this season. All the authorities care about is the money and greed. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know the risks are too significant to be thinking that football is a priority right now, let alone debating finishing the season by actually playing games.
Scenario planning about when and how to restart for next season is the right and proper thing to do but exploring plans to actually finish this behind closed doors is offensive.
This sport moves further and further away from the game I enjoyed so much. Not sure I could come back from this if football goes ahead right now.
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Interesting listen (if genuine) - sounds like it could be. Good spot.
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11 minutes ago, daored said:
If that was to happen that I would hope the family would sue all those involved in the decision. The 20 PL teams, the TV companies and the British government who are being reported as wanting this to happen to boast morale
Absolutely, but as authorities are in a position where they know the current situation already and know the likely consequences of restarting it (therefore cannot use the usual post excuse of 'isn't hindsite great' or 'we didn't know this would happen'), there shouldn't even be discussions. A decision should have already been made to cancel it - it's easy. End the season and the leagues as it finished weekes ago. Not a difficult decision to make. You do the best you can to protect lives. That's the priority - end of.
If authorities restart sport just to 'boost morale' when nothing has changed, e.g daily death rates are still high and there's still no vaccine ready then that would be criminal.
People need to wake up and listen to the stories and reports directly from people on the frontline and ask them if sporting events should resume just to boost moral.
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45 minutes ago, daored said:
If this happens , **** football in this country - greed is making this happen. The argument that this will improve people’s morale is bollocks. What will improve morale is working on getting everyone back to normal life safely not playing sport.
Agree. Football shouldn't even be considering restarting in the current climate even if it is behind closed doors as that alone will put players/officials and people there at risk, which just in the name of getting the season finished is completely wrong. The outcome of this season is irrelevant now.
If even one person gets it and dies as a direct result of the season re-starting behind closed doors - would that have been worth it? Could anyone justify someones life as less important than the need to finish the season?
Sporting events at this time should stay canned end of.
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Nice of Spurs to 'remind players' of social distancing after video emerges of Mourinhio training a group of players in public - who clearly weren't adhering to the guidance the majority of us are trying to do. Was it essential to hold a training session? Hell no.
Football is a joke at some of the levels of this game and the hypocrecy and lack of giving a shit (so many example recently- Liverpool, Grelish, Walker etc, etc). While I accept there are some doing great stuff at this time to help, there are too many that think they are above what we are all being asked to do.
IT REALLY ISN'T DIFFICULT! But here we see yet another example of basically two fingers up to the NHS and those who are vulnerable in the name if sport. It's a ******* joke and there are ZERO excuses why footballers/managers should be ignoring the advice.
Still it's nice that Spurs have 'reminded' them of their responsibilities, I'm sure that'll make a difference.
Edit: as with all media reports, if this is fake news and is a video of an historic event made to look recent then I hold my hand up and apologise and take this post criticising Spurs back- given though that the club has responded would suggest it's genuine)
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4 hours ago, pillred said:
Well if that's the case some difficult questions are going to have to be asked because there is no way normal life can be put on hold that long, what the solution is I have no idea but one will have to be found that may include some kind of compromise such as once you have had it you get an exemption certificate from a doctor from all the restrictions currently in place or something like that.
Assuming Doctors and scientists can be 100% certain that once you've had it you cant get it again.
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2 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said:
To me that would be a hollow argument when weighed against the obvious risk of sending thousands of athletes, officials, and support staff from across the globe to mingle in 1 confined area. (and not saying for one moment that that is your view Loco)
Good point and I completely agree mate. I just remember hearing how much athletes prepare over such a long time for just this one moment. I have complete sympathy for them and it must be so difficult, but this (unfortunately) is a bigger issue.
Also, Seb Coe should be ashamed and hang his head in shame, still waiting to make a decision. Really can't stand that bloke. Talk about self absorbed. Teeeeeewat!
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16 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:
It seems incredulous that the IOC would think a summer games in Tokyo is viable.
They seem to care more about the money they've spent preparing the country and the financial impact rather than the health impacts.
Yeah you can argue that athletes have trained for years for this moment also being a case for this to go ahead, but in wonder how many of them want to risk their health, or compete in empty venues.
Why this wasnt postponed / cancelled whilst there are bigger more important things to focus on says a lot about the IOC.
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6 minutes ago, North London Red said:
Fair points.
The issue of the virus resurfacing once the restrictions are lifted will also dictate how long these measures last. Is it beyond the realms of possibility that lockdowns will last in Europe until a vaccine is widely available (which the experts are saying is likely to be at least a year away)? The length of time to develop, manufacture and distribute bulk quantities of a vaccine is another reason why these restrictions might be in place for the long haul.
It's all unknown isn't. Your question about the lockdown being longer term has much more economic impacts of people losing jobs/going out of business which could very well mean huge unemployment and possibly homelessness and then how does the country feed people? Lots of hypothesis which are all unknown, but what we do know (although the media aren't reporting it very well because it doesn't sell papers) is that the vast majority of people ony get mild symptoms and are recovering.
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2 minutes ago, North London Red said:
Entirely agree. A couple of things in recent days have made me think this is going to last for much longer than some people think.
Firstly, Chris Whitty was asked the other day how long these measures could be in place. His answer was 'weeks or months', and I got the sense he was being deliberately vague because he already knows the answer but doesn't dare reveal it to the public as the answer won't be a popular one.
Secondly, if the government are offering assistance to businesses for the next 12 months, what does that tell you?
Thirdly, I come back to the point about 60% of the population becoming infected. If this is being considered as a likely outcome in the modelling, and if such a scenario were to occur within 12 months, it would mean an average of 100,000 new cases every single day. That's a rate of infection that's way, way beyond where we currently stand right now.
Don't forget though. The majority of those that do get it, recover and (hopefully) build up an immunity to it. In some way there is probably a benefit to getting it so that you build up resistance. Appreciate that's not best for the minority at all.
The flip side to forcing everyone (who hasn't had it) to self isolate though is that they won't get it or potentially build an immunity to it and therefore there could still be a risk when restrictions are lifted that it'll all spread again.
The modeling scientists and doctors are doing is hypothetical based in lots of data and previous events but they dont actually know how this will pan out.
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It's possible. I guess it depends on how bad it gets here and what action the authorities need to take to try to isolate it.
Personally I think it would be the right thing to do if there is a belief it will make a difference.
Other sporting events in that part of the world have already been cancelled and although it hasn't stopped the spread could it have prevented it from being worse.
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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:
Yes, Birmingham for Flyers. First final, and that took preference.
It was, both defences on top, and our two best players never got going. We kept Jordan Williams to 5 points, and if you asked me pre-game, I would’ve said had we done that we would win easily. However the other Williams (Amir) had an fantastic game at both ends and was rightly MVP.
We showed good fight and took the game all the way, but I don’t think we ever looked like winning.
Good day out though.
Our shooting game was way off today - especially from the 3 and when you don't make your shots you're always going to struggle. The best part of our game was fighting back to almost tie it a few times but we were always second best.
Even worse news today that over shadows the whole event is the tragic news about Kobe Bryant. R.I.P.
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It was a poor game from the Flyers to be fair. Not a great showcase for the sport.
Guarantee more fun watching them in a league game (and definately more fun watching the Flyers than watching one of the London NBA games which was awful. (What a waste of money that was).
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What happens to the results that Bury should have played already? (first 6 games). Do those teams automatically receive 3 points or are they treated as a draw?
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2 minutes ago, Unan said:
sh**ty make club record buy Views 212 Replies 0 Yeah saw that. Zero replies. Nuff said.
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51 minutes ago, Nibor said:
Saying "it's business" is an awful excuse. It's not OK for business to act immorally for financial reasons and it never has been. Many businesses make decisions for reasons other than purely monetary ones, and in this case that's what should have been done. After all it is Cardiff's dodgy clique of agents and their families that arranged this flight, no fault of Nantes. I hope FIFA throw the book at them.
If Cardiff or any club believe they have acted within the law and (more importantly) can prove it then they and in my view, majority of clubs would try to do the same thing to save millions.
I don't condone it myself but for people to be surprised by this, surprises me. Football is a shady business these days with the amount of money being thrown about and if a business believes it legally hasn't done anything wrong then they will try to save money. The moral right thing to do won't come in to it - especially in modern football.
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38 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:
Total lack of class and dignity from Cardiff. Irrespective of the ins and outs of it all.
I suspect most if not all clubs these days would try to do the same if these a chance they could save millions. Not defending Cardiff at all but to me this is business.
Football is not about integrity or doing what's morally right. It's a business, end of.
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1 hour ago, Nibor said:
Absolutely no integrity or class as per usual.
That sums up football.
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6 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:
Yes I do
I think the identity of the one found is irrelevant
and to think otherwise , I have to say a very bizarre , and discourteous , thought or belief
It's a tough one and can see both sides of it. Hearing the news today, I think the way the media has reported it saying Sala has been found and the search has been ended is very insensitive and misleading (to not give a more balanced view as to why). I can also fully appreciate that if the pilot wasn't there what more could the rescuers do - especially as the conditions have deteriorated.
I think what has been clear throughout though is that the media reporting of this whole tragic event has clearly biased towards Sala as a more important victim. A life is a life to me and both should have been treated - and reported on - equally (unfortunately this feels more normal these days with media reporting).
Sadly, the media have sensationalised this and focused on Sala even to the extent to subconsciously imply he was the only victim and his life was more valuable at times.
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Look, City are injury hit at the moment at a time when this new look team needs time to gel so it's going to impact performances. Yes games might not look pretty at times but we need to get behind the team and support them. Completely accept there will be crticisim constructively but there are too many embarrassing comments on here at times (scan the first 9 pages for examples).
The second half showed we can do it. Yes it doesn't mean it's perfect or pretty but we still need time and to get the injured players back.
Well done LJ and the team tonight. A much needed result and clean sheet. Also important that we didn't concede in the final minutes too. Something to build on from and helps the confidence too.
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1 minute ago, Sturny said:
He's looking down on us like
Is that his view if some on Otib?
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Love how OTIB works, genuinely. Nine pages of non stop criticism towards anything a City player does, we score, which judging by the commentary on here must be a mistake so i'll assume its still 0-0 or 1-0 to QPR then suddenly its a Matty Taylor love in. Love it.
I would put my tin hat on but i honestly couldn't give a shit as i fully expect to be criticized for the observation.
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5 minutes ago, old_eastender said:
Really good defending by Kelly again, him and Pack have been very good today...
Sorry, this is OTIB, not the place for positive comments like that. You're only welcome here if you're calling for Lee to go.
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7 minutes ago, pillred said:
and yet virtually the same team beat four premiership sides and was second in the league in the run up to Christmas, potentially we are more than good enough for the play offs, we have been vv good and vv bad no reason we can't be good again let's hope so.
I know. When you see how well the players have played and some incredable performances earlier in the season, it's then so frustrating to see the same players performing so poorly over so many games recently. I know we will turn it around but when and how, I have no idea.
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The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)
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100% agree. I'm amazed and disapointed that authorities can't see this above any other reason they think justifies restarting.
The Government are using the 'Moral lifting' statement to try to divert media attention (and criticism) away from their failings in handling the virus.
Football authorities should be taking a higher stance and just say no. This will (hopefully) backfire massively on the football authorities if they do bow down and go through with resuming. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from both parties.