BS2 Red

4 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

It does look that way BS2.

It will be interesting to see how tightly they lock things down and how people react. I think people will be fine for a bit, but tempers are going to rise after a week or two.

13 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Do we think we are going in to lockdown tonight then? 

I think so.

2 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

To this day I don’t know how Steve Hilton and David Cameron managed to detoxify these upper class ******* to the average voter. They’re still the heartless nasty party but the brand just disappeared or lessened over the years. They no longer hate gay people but they still have no empathy for low skilled workers.

Careful, unelected Zac might call you a ****.

If anything good comes out of all this, it might just be that certain people realise that low paid doesn’t mean low skilled or of low importance.

3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

I'm not going to get into such a stupid, fatuous, and peurile argument with you or anyone else.

 

You started it.

1 minute ago, bcfc01 said:

Agreed, and join thousands of others - the bloke is a pompous, self opiniated pr1ck.

The other part of your sentence is best ignored.

You think it’s ok that the health secretary deliberately lies? And you don’t think anybody should hold him to account for it?

I’m no fan of Piers Morgan, but it’s nice to see at least one interviewer holding these lying bastards to account.

There are a lot of stupid people out there. Rushing into supermarkets during NHS hour? Just the scummiest and most selfish people.

It’s not even been that hard to find the things you need if you’re sensible and go to the smaller shops. Avoid the price hiking charlatans obviously, but there are lots of small shops out there that have plenty of stock, I guess because the idiots are all running to the big supermarkets.

I think Netflix bought the rights to Seinfeld, but will not be showing it until next year.

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Strawman. 

Pick the stupidest example and run with it to illustrate your point

It’s hardly a stupid example. The supermarkets are packed and people are panic buying things like toilet paper.

You’re guilty of the false fallacy fallacy.  

8 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

I think people should stop caring about what’s briefed in the Times or Telegraph. It only serves to distract the public from the bigger picture which is Johnson’s inaction on closing down public spaces and the potential manslaughter of NHS staff from not being supplied with PPE. 

This happened under Theresa May with Grenfell and Windrush where the right-wind press found scapegoats or ways to frame the story in a different way. Although it’s tempting to pile into Cummings after this story everyone should to stop and think whether they're being manipulated. 
 

The very reason I posted the full article is because it’s just as critical of Johnson as it is of Cummings. It’s also from The Times, which lends enormous weight as they are not a lefty or anti-Tory paper.

The article does exactly what you request, it highlights Johnson’s failures and inactions with regards to closing public spaces.

16 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Tesco is a needed risk. Tennis isnt

Queuing up to panic buy bog roll while in very close contact with 500+ people, isn’t necessary or sensible. 

13 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Going to be touching stuff there like the net etc. Virus can live for days.  Just stay in innit unless out for good 

I agree, people should stay in. Tennis seems a low risk compared to Tesco though.

4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Touching the same tennis balls so distance is irrelevant really. And one game was doubles!

Depends on their relationship to each other. If I went and played tennis with the wife, it’s not really any different to us staying in. Some housemates going to play tennis isn’t any extra risk. As long as they stay away from others of course!

3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

This attitude utterly baffles me. What the Hell do people think politics is if it isn't running the country and making the appropriate decisions in a national crisis.

Of course it is going to be about politics. I agree other parties could have made similar errors but Boris Johnson has chosen to be leader of the Conservative party and wanted to be Prime Minister and being prime minister means being ultimately accountable for the timing and choice of decisions taken.

 

It’s all very similar to when there’s a mass shooting in America and the likes of Fox News immediately jump to “now’s not the time to talk about gun control!”.

If the government is making mistakes, then now is exactly the time to point it out and hold them to account.

I’ve seen a lot of people on various sites posting that Boris is doing a good job. It’s perfectly reasonable to point out that he’s also made a lot of mistakes. The biggest of which was appointing and listening to a monster like Cummings.

14 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Have they got toilet rolls in stock at Purgatory?

Just kitchen roll, but it’ll do in an emergency.

25 minutes ago, wood_red said:

 

They don't if they are skilled tradesmen as they are all fraudsters according to the post above by that *****.

Yeah all skilled tradesmen are fraudsters.

And yes that’s sarcasm.

7 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Re self employed, thats the nature of the game. You take on the risk of business and benefit from a lower tax rate (NI) and claim expenses that no employed person could.

This isn’t a normal situation. I’d probably agree if it was just a downturn in a particular area.

But this is far different and involves the government shutting things down and telling certain people not to work. 

The self employed need protection as well as the PAYE employed.

40 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Some "experts" have indeed, some "experts" haven't. Are you saying then that (take Boris out of it for a moment), that we as a country have poor advisers advising the Government, and all the expert advisers who aren't advising them are in a better position without having all of the facts that contribute to each decision that changes by the hour? The trouble with this virus is so many people have differing opinions (and it is usually people without all the facts, the same as all of us). You can go searching news stories and find people saying schools should have been shut a month ago, and also find people saying they shouldn't be shut now. 

It is just too easy for anyone to find the information they want to hear to suit themselves, and have a dig, and vice versa.

Well we were in a stage where the rest of the world’s experts were saying schools etc should be closed. Lots of British experts were also saying it. But the British government put its fingers in its ears and thought it knew better than everyone else. Actually that’s not fair, Trump’s America has done similar.

And then, a week too late imo, we had to shut the schools etc.

The government were listening to advice that was incorrectly modelled (using a less lethal disease) and wanted to go for herd immunity. Then they remodelled for the actual disease and realised their plan would kill hundreds of thousands.

Then they announce everything is to be shut but they’ll pay 80% of wages. But they don’t do the same for self-employed people? 

So yeah. The government has poor advisors. 

9 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

So who would have got everything 100% right- although there seems to be plenty of experts on here.  Doubt anyone would want to step up and do his job at the moment.

Nobody would have got everything 100%, that’s true.

But Johnson has not done a great job so far. 

Experts have been saying for a long time that schools/pubs should be closed. He reacted way too late.

It’s great that he’s guaranteeing workers wages up to 80%. But it’s also damn clear that the self employed are going to need help. That’s a clear own goal, especially from a political party that usually champions small businesses.

Criticising (or indeed praising) the government doesn’t have to be party political or a left/right issue. They currently seem to be on the right path, but there is a lot more they need to do.

8 hours ago, TheCulturalBomb said:

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Netflix, darker brilliant comedy.

 

That’s a great shout! The first season is a bit meh, but it’s amazing once Danny DeVito joins.