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But as the moment there are a lot of assumptions in what you’re suggesting, albeit you’re only going on media reports. And as it seems very one sided media reporting, it’s probably why I’m a bit more sceptical about this and on the other side of fence. Re cashing in now, and trying to replace….is that the best time for us to do it? With “cash to burn” (great) can we attract the right player either on loan or as a strategic signing NOW. The January window “pool” has reduced “fishing rights”, but also our own league position isn’t great either. Are we attractive at this point. Perversely it might be a financially better risk approach to have Antoine secure our place in the Championship and get a couple of million less in the summer…but when the pool has re-filled. There seem to be so many in this thread thinking that’s it’s all about finding a nice cosy happy medium. Why? There are two sides to a contract too. I appreciate I’m a broken record on this. Sorry. And as per @Bannerman, not everyone is motivated by money either. And I most certainly don’t look after myself. I feel a weight of social responsibility too and often do things that aren’t in my best interests. That’s who I am.

I only did one once, but my career as a ballet dancer was over by that point.

You know what, it’s always bugged me has that. As a complete saddo with a memory for incredibly trivial info…I was on a flight once (might’ve been easyJet, doesn’t matter) and the inflight magazine had a kids section, quizzes, word search type stuff. I wasn’t a kid but was bored. One of the questions was - what is the real name of Hong Kong Phooey? My answer was of course Henry. Wrong. The answer was Penrod Pooch, which I thought was a bit strange. Why would a cartoon character have another name. It’s not like Adam West > Bruce Wayne > Batman, e.g, Penrod Pooch > Henry > HKP. So until today, it’s always stuck in my head, but mainly as “why”. Now I know, I guess Penry is short for Penrod. Thanks. And I’d never have know if it wasn’t for this pesky forum! ?

It’s quite possible he’s on a “low” basic / “high” appearance fee. I’ve no idea though. He’s not someone I’ve heard mentioned in the sane vain as Simpson and King, ie. basically happy to be here on low wage (bin there and done it in their career) and be paid a fair amount when they play. Obviously Simpson now gone, King proving to be an astute signing even if he’s not on the pitch a lot. He’s been in pretty much every match day squad this season.

Think Benik was twice on one knee and once on the other.

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It isn’t Waconda Nope. Could it be Henry the mild-mannered janitor? Could be.

I‘ve always liked Warnock, apart from when he’s in the opposition dugout. I think he’s a canny manager, sometimes goes a bit OTT, but a good example of a fairly undistinguished playing career who found a niche in management. I don’t think I ever wanted him here, but would’ve been interesting times had he ever got the job.

Certainly looks like they are “streamlining” doesn’t it. I wonder which player(s) they haven’t made payments on.

We will probably to continue to come at this from different angles. I don’t disagree that this window “might” be the best window to sell him in, but if that is so, then you try to maximise it, because we hold the strong hand at this point (subject to change quickly in the world of football). You seem to really undersell Antoine’s ability, consistent or not. The fact that several PL teams are interested (some have bid) shows they believe he had PL ability, whether that’s consistent or inconsistent and NOW not just potential. He has the physical attributes that clubs want. They see it as something that gives him a better chance of being a success. At his current inconsistency he has still got 7g / 2a in 1476 minutes of football. At his average he’s scoring at a level that starts to stand out. Again, your focus seems to be on fair price / market value for all parties, **** the other party, we want this to be the best deal for Bristol City. There isn’t really a market to compare against is there, every transfer is different. Was Adam Nagy to Pisa for free and a £750k impairment in the books a fair price / market value for an international with 50+ caps? Bournemouth allegedly went from 6+2 to 8+2 in the blink of an eye….I just think we are right to play hardball on this one. And that’s a big caveat, especially if he can reignite interest from someone like Palace. I’m not sure it is conclusive re personal terms. But I’m not ITK, so just have a different gut feel to you. No, mainly because he wouldn’t come here, but also because he’d break our wage structure I suspect, he’s 30, has a history of niggly injuries. I’d rather look for a player we’ve been scouting for our specific needs with growth. I guess on loan you might. I dunno.

This is the thing, we shouldn’t be trying to justify this on “fair price”, we should be weighing up the various dynamics, especially as the selling club. Bristol City: passing FFP (down boy down Mr P ?) we’ve said we don’t need to sell He’s a striker / premium price for that position He’s young, has upside he’s got the attributes of power and pace that are generally needed in the PL its January / premium paid in this window etc Bournemouth: all of the pluses of being in the PL, wages etc all the minuses that they might be relegated does Antoine get a 40-50% wage reduction if they go down Is he gonna play over Moore, Solanke, Ouattara, etc Etc and as it stands, he’s our player, he’s contracted to Summer 2024. The fee will be what it will be, but we need to be looking after ourselves, it’s not about being fair…it’s about supply and demand. Depends on the liquidity of the buying club. City are tending to pay most if not all of their fees up front, and using that as bargaining power. Not every club has an owner who will keep a club making such big losses so liquid. It also means that we can accommodate other clubs buying our player “on credit” (staged payments), and we can charge them extra for the privilege. As a crude example, so you want Antoine Semenyo, £15m in one hit, or £18m (£6m now, £6m in a year’s time, another £6m the year after). I agree that most clubs aren’t as liquid as us though.

Not picking on this, but you said: I’m querying what you mean by decent, because when he’s good he’s pretty much up there with the best at this level…and that’s exactly why PL clubs are watching / interested. I get the impression you are looking for him to be the perfect all round striker. He isn’t that, few are, even in the PL. Even when he’s “bad” he still can make things happen imho.

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Me too. Feels a bit like Blackpool doing a City when we appointed Nige. Initially short term, suss each other out…

Imho he did well in those games but he looked as if it was a real effort to compete. Fair play to him. Were you sat in the middle of the pitch?

Yep, normally it is the player and buying club that share the agent fees (tax / B.I.K. reasons I believe). There are exceptions. Adam Armstrong’s move between Blackburn and Southampton was split “buying club / player” and “former club / player”. The FA publish a pdf of all Agent txns each year.

Ahem, cough, cough. I always thought he retained value, £250-500k due to age (he was a late developer physically) and his technical ability. He’d started the season before pretty well, 4 in 10 from memory.

The haves and have not.

Wigan - late payment - 3 points deduction (suspended until 31st Dec 2023) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64337724

Mr P - here’s my quick n dirty FFP summary. Using basic FFP allowances, simple Cat 3 costs, etc.

On their website: https://www.pnefc.net/news/2023/january/202122-financial-highlights/

@RedM scroll down ???

Preston making bigger losses post-Covid shows our accounts in a better light (ours a much worse starting position.

F.R.A.U.D.