Open End Numb Legs

Whatever evidence is used to judge the manager, what is said post match or in fact pre match should be given the lowest weight. If you were manager, would you publicly give away your true thoughts for your opponents to take advantage of?

Great photos, thanks. It is very old school to see thousands of faces packed together in a random way, you just don't see that any more in a stadium. Even with terracing the numbers are limited for obvious historical reasons. The nearest I can think of in modern life would be in front of the big stage at Glasto or in front of Buckingham Palace on a royal event.

Fair question, the problem is that the other teams coach is fully entitled to out think him beforehand. LM has to adapt, in game, with the players we have, same as any other coach. I don't think we have many options up front so plan B for creating chances is much the same as plan A. If he is as clever as rumoured, he will work it out. I sometimes see games where the head coach is sat quietly making notes in the 1st half, ready for a half time change. Better that than standing in the technical area shouting and pointing which is unheard and unseen by the players.

So many of these threads begin with 'Posted Saturday 17.05' or similar. I fully understand the frustration but I think LM deserves more time to work out how to get points out of a game, during the game, when we are being tactically out played.

Thanks. You would think the way the media were talking that Chelsea had lost to Tranmere. Since announcing his leaving, the media have gone all soppy on Klopp.

Indeed. I bumped into a L1/L2 manager several times a few years ago. No names! We had a good chat one day, I explained my background and we got to discuss how he felt about supporters. He was scathing about forums! Not supporters who have committed huge time and money into their club, just the way the anonymous supporter can over react to a win or a loss in a polarised way, calling for instant changes like a computer game. Also not understanding the realities of the professional game and the impact that criticisms can have on players or coaches (and their families) away from the pitch. I am not trying to take the moral high ground here, I can be the same, but his words did make a mark and I try to be reasonable and not over react. I would never say 'that shouldn't be posted', forums are here for that reason and players/coaches would be well advised not to read them, but when you hear someone in that role saying he was steering his children away from football as a career it does make you think. Is this manager just not suited to that role? I don't think so. At the time his team was in the top 6 of their division and life was pretty good but he had seen how fickle supporters can be. In my opinion, criticism of game time, instantaneous actions of players, coaches and refs can be unfair whereas slow time decisions of boards or a DoF made around a meeting room is more fair game.

They were the favourites of course but my point is that Neville doesn't really need to say that unless of course he wants the headlines to be about him, box ticked. The papers make comparisons in terms of team values and there was a massive gap there. Interestingly, the average ages show that 'losing to kids' wasn't quite as made out, the Chelsea team was actually younger by average. Chelsea 22.6 Liverpool 24.1 I do not like Chelsea at all but dislike the media sometimes more.

Is it right for a commentator to call a team 'bottle jobs'?

Yeh we can!

That sort of maintenance is just papering over cracks.

Whilst this person has been rightly punished, a reduction of 3 years to to 3 months is too much of a discount despite taking the course and previous good behaviour. Punishment is about deterrent as well as societies revenge. 3 months is too short IMO. Good to see that presumably it was his fellow fans who reported him to stewards.

I didn't realise that, thanks. I enjoy a nice ale in the evenings but not at a game. Prefer a hot drink to warm my hands on these days!

With a missing concourse, maybe they should re visit Sainsburys but this time wheel the food to the back of the new stand?

It has been many weeks since I had reason to look at gaschat so have just checked up on how the new stand is going. No concourse apparently. They are saying fire safety has prevented food stalls under the stand. Having seen photos of the burnt food lately you can see the concern. Not enough room for toilets and bars as the structure wasn't built quite as expected so they are looking at the prospect of queing in the rain for food and drink at the corners of the stand instead. On the plus side, I guess the queues will be short anyway.

Sounds like the condition that HRH Kate suffered with. Hope everything improves soon, it sounds really horrible.

I think the worst case would be a hamstring avulsion where the top of the hamstring comes away from the pelvis and needs re attaching. My nephew had this when at Southampton academy. Quite a lay off if so. All the best Sam, hopefully not as serious as that, sure you are in good hands.

Like the hamstring being discussed, after 20 minutes sounds about right....

My cricket team mates morphed my surname over a couple of seasons until it became similar to part of the female anatomy. That was fine by me until days when my family turned up to watch and everyone heard the skipper shouting my name across the pitch as he moved the fielders. '******, 5 yards to your left!'

......And one of the greatest comedy series ever seen. Nicknames are an essential part of a sporting team. Remember one of the players in Mike Bassett's England side that complained he was the only one in the squad without a nickname?

Thanks. It might mean taking a bit of a chance on a player, a proven player, say Moore for example, won't be too happy just being the bench option initially.

Right, my views:- 1. We can look easily top 6 on a day when the opposition look to play and we exploit space. 2. As mentioned before, we don't have a plan B when teams sit back. 3. I agree that 'Lee Johnson's tombola' approach was a problem and Manning might over think things. Tinkering with line ups hoping to stumble on a magic solution is not the answer. Keep it simple. 4. Any plan B needs a slight change in the forwards, for me (this is where I might get battered) that means having the option of a more physical player who can be a threat in a busy box. We need more, better crosses and more shots. At the moment a line up of Conway, Bell and Wells can be excellent on their day but, in my opinion, can be a bit lightweight and struggle without space to work those clever passes in. 5. I don't think we need to change philosophy or owners or manager, we just need an option or 2 when the game is not going the way we expected. This means Manning does deserve a bit more time to figure out this plan B and bring in someone (or 2) to bring those options off the bench. Incoming!

Same as anyone else. You open the door, the elephant walks in, you close the door.

Ok, give in. Who is the bloke on Shankly's left? Looks familiar but he is too old to be a player and not the Paisley/Fagan follow ups.

If visiting from the US he must have been pretty horrified by the overall experience. Apart from the actual game, they enjoy the social aspect at their sports - plenty of quality BBQ style food, good beer, a nice seat with a good view. See anything that might have been missing?

My hunch is the 1st photo is the Open End, there is a lot of daylight compared to a terrace with a roof on it, it just looks right with how the shadows are and you can just see the tops of the railings behind the goal. If correct then I should be top left somewhere as I was behind the flight of the ball when Bremner scored. I was only 12 so possibly behind someone but my Dad was 6ft+ and I can't see him either. Maybe we are just out of shot .