CotswoldRed

12 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Has a post ever aged worse?

We can't all look at the evidence and get a sensible answer. 

On 23/03/2020 at 14:08, TRL said:

Oh to be a cat right now. As always, cats don't give two ***** about anything.

Like many people who forced the PM's hand yesterday. 

9 minutes ago, Harry said:

NHS funding has been a problem since it came into being in 1948. 
The 1944 white paper estimated the annual cost at £132m. 
In the first full year in 1948, the actual cost was £248m. 
By 1951 it had increased to £384m. 

The system has been playing catch-up since day 1. 

All the while, a preventative approach to healthcare is almost non-existent. 

We allow manufacturers to market food barely any better to eat than the packaging it comes in. We allow our population to be sedentary and obese. 

There's still little emphasis on people taking responsibility for their own health. 

3 minutes ago, reddoc said:

I don't know how it would work either, but that's neither of our problems. We should categorically be in lockdown as the scenes over the weekend demonstrate. Over the next 2-3 weeks people will start to see the consequences of their inexplicable failure to listen to what they're being told , and even if they understandably don't believe a word Boris says, they can see what's happening everywhere else can't they.

The NHS will be no more able to cope than the Italians or Spanish have. No health service is prepared for what we're about to encounter. Bleating on about government cuts etc completely misses the point. Even if we had twice the ICU capacity it still wouldn't be enough, and of course you then have the question of man power, which will diminish over time. As I mentioned in another thread we already have lost 3 members of staff last week from our surgery, 2 clinicians , and it's barely started yet.

Technically I retire in about 10 days, forgotten when it was gonna be, realistically I've delayed that for 3 months accepting it'll probably be 6. If it's to be believed we may get some proper protective gear this week, if not I'm trying to convince my wife to move out whilst the risk is relatively low.

Actually don't have the words to describe what I think of the people ignoring the advise given currently, but without doubt they as a collective are responsible for other people deaths. That's not a maybe it's a straightforward fact.

 

Most people are intrinsically selfish. It's just some more than others. 

We're probably down to the last 5m who couldn't give a shit and laws will be needed to mop them up. 

My disabled son needs me to help care for him. He's been without me for over a week now depending on the best efforts of his Mum. These shits will only prolong my pain and his pain. 

10 hours ago, Odysseus said:

Any American I’ve met in this county begs to differ and are amazed no matter who you are you get live saving treatment for free. I’d rather have that for the many than the inconvenience of having to wait weeks longer for an MRI. The problem with our current health system is due to Tory underfunding and staff shortages. 

Agreed. We pay much less into health care compared to much of Europe. 

9 hours ago, Redpool said:

Fair play to Boris this week. He’s done a fantastic job so far each day in his conference. Full credit to the man.

Just wish he'd raise tax that directly targets those who can afford it. It's now we need their wealth. 

I'm willing to pay more.

4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

So everybody who agrees with this comment put your hand up.

Good, lots of us.

Now, hands up if you voted Labour in the 2019 election...

Ah, not so many of you.

Something doesn't quite add up then.

What is it we are after ?

 

The election tells you that while the government have been utter shits for a decade, the populous are quite happy with that. That's why I've given up on people. I've a few friends and that's enough until I croak it. The rest?... Meh. 

2 minutes ago, pillred said:

If some of you feel that strongly about this virus and want to blame the government for not acting what exactly do you want them to do? it's possible to be responsible for your own actions, personally I think they are trying to strike a balance between respecting our personal freedom and not trying to scare the living daylights out of people, I live with someone who is in great danger from this, I wont go into detail but believe me if she gets it she probably wouldn't survive it, all this scare talk will only make things worse look after yourself in any way you can but don't let it rule your life, at the moment the chances of getting the virus are still very small let's hope it turns out to be much less of a threat than some on here are making it out to be.

People don't take responsibly, thats the point. 

Let me give you one example, 3 chaps at work go out every day this week to buy sandwiches at the supermarket. One small thing they could do is buy their lunches for the week and take just the one visit. They couldn't see that when I pointed it out. 

Government advice doesn't extend beyond hand washing. It does nothing to to increase preparedness or reduce risk to others. It doesn't go close to suggesting that you could save lives by not taking unnecessary trips out, for example. I could go on. 

7 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

Arteta has tested positive.

It seems to be absolutely everywhere. 

The only shred of positivity I can muster - if there really are thousands of undiagnosed folk, yet the deaths are accurate, the death rate may be closer to 0.1%, rather than 1 to 2 %. 

7 minutes ago, Stortz said:

I know, I despair tbh. It almost seems a competition amongst some on here to prove how blasé they are about the threat of this.

All the best to you and your family.

I agree, it did sound logical- but I can't help but wonder why are we're the only country in the entire world who are taking this approach, especially when the WHO recommends the opposite.

The same reason we've ignored the most vulnerable in society, in plain sight, for over a decade. 

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

I’m getting told off on twitter for mentioning anything cynical like that!!!

Most people on twitter don't care about others. Community means nothing to them. 

It's pretty much every man for themselves in UK society. 

5 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Dunno. Not spoke to him. China new cases have plateaued though. A lot of factories now back open and capacity growing weekly.  Cheers 

China not happy with a fraction of 1% getting it so take stern and effective action. 

Out government resigned to 80% possibly getting it. 

UK plc is gambling with millions of lives. 

3 hours ago, Chappers said:

Must confess that I expected slightly more than no over-70’s on cruises and no school trips for the ‘Delay’ phase. 

Anyone would think a reduction in benefit and pension liabilities suits the government, the way they've carried on so far. 

18 minutes ago, Stortz said:

The government are expecting many thousands of extra deaths a week at the peak of the pandemic, and arrangements are being made for crematoria to run 24/7.

It seems a fair description to me. People need to understand what's coming.

Yes, plenty of very naive people on this thread. Just look at page 1 to 5 and you'll see how utterly wet behind the ears a number of people are. 

The evidence was out there a long time ago. 

1 hour ago, lenred said:

Awful situation for you CR. The attitude of some people on this absolutely stinks and some of the stuff going around regards peoples views on ‘natural selection’ is truly unbelievable although in this day and age not too surprising unfortunately.  I wish you and yours well and let’s hope this is over or at least calms down sooner rather than later. 

Thanks for you kind words lenred. 

Maybe many of the sanctimonious folk who often tell us that the work BCFC does at the local hospice "puts things in to perspective" will go ahead and prove it by doing the right thing. 

But they won't. 

1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

I consider that you are acting sensibly.

My wife is asthmatic and I am nearly 77 now. The flu or even heavy colds may not kill us, but would leave us a lot weaker and much more susceptible to the Covid-19. And thus with much less resistance.

So thanks to everyone who is taking the cautious route at present. Get well soon.

@RedDave

Indeed. 

Due to my son's health issues he will leave school this week and myself and my daughter will be moving out this weekend, leaving my wife and son in total isolation. 

For how long, who knows. Genuinely, I may not see them for months. 

I'm very upset about it and still can't understand the flippant, laissez-faire attitude that, ultimately will come back to bite.

Disabled people, who can't generally isolate are in the firing line and depend on us all to avoid both contraction on transmission. It's a shame most people are just looking after themselves and considering themselves and not others. 

22 hours ago, Marlborough Red said:

Some simple Maths lead me to the conclusion that the effect on the health of the UK from Coronavirus will not be anything like as bad as the media suggest.

We can probably all agree that China, where it originated , has been hit the hardest with 80,761 people having contracted the Virus and  3,136 deaths, The virus now seems to be under control in China with only 26 new cases yesterday in a population of 1 billion,400 million people.

• The % of the Chinese population who  tested positive for Coronavirus is only 0.006 %. This in the worst affected country. 
• Lets assume  worst case , 1 % of UK  testing positive,. Almost 200 times higher infection rate than  China
• 1% of the UK 67 million population represents 670,000 people who would get the Virus (currently 321)
• Assuming current death rate in UK of 1.87%  dying from the virus 
• Therefore expected deaths in UK from the Coronavirus could be around  12,529. (currently 5)
• Highly unlikely we would get 4 times as many deaths as China in  a UK  population a fraction of the size
• Using the Chinese Data ,  the number of UK infections drops to 4,020 and deaths drop to less than 100 !
• Bear in mind that 616,014 people die every year in the UK,
• 11,848 UK  deaths every week so you can perhaps see why I believe we are significantly  exaggerating the impact of Coronavirus on the UK . 

The economic damage caused by the panic is in my opinion far more dangerous in the long term to our economy and national prosperity 

If you think our government have any intention of controlling the virus like the Chinese then I believe you are mistaken. 

There will be no curfew, no wholesale impact on movement. 

6 minutes ago, Chappers said:

Just for the record, my wife is high risk, but you can’t just live in some bubble, there are many other things that could affect her, like flu. I just can’t go with this media hype and panic-mongering, sensible precautions yes, panic and over-reaction, no.

Indeed, personal choice. 

As it happens, if the only way to secure the health of your children is to live in a bubble, then it's by no means panicking. It's a considered and measured response. 

10 minutes ago, Chappers said:

In some ways I agree, but you either do one thing or another, as there are economic impacts with any cancellation. A lot of Government responses (Particularly the oaf Hancock) just point airily to DWP support for self-isolation, yet he clearly does not know their rules and requirements. It’s like ministers are washing their hands () of any actual responsibility, or offering any real support to businesses/ individuals. 
Ironic thing is that Amazon will probably do well as people stay home... A company who contribute about zero in taxes!

People don't like the economic impact, until its one of their family who dies. Then the economic factor is less important. 

I've no way of proving it, of course not, but I'm sure someone will directly/indirectly be infected and die as a direct result of football matches this weekend. Is that really worth it? 

18 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

But don’t worry, at least football players won’t be shaking hands before the game so they wont catch Coronavirus, the thousands of fans watching in the stadium however...

I find it mind-numbingly stupid to give Coronavirus one last huge hurrah this weekend. 

When cases are 1500 this time next week, we'll have secured 5-10,000 for the week after with people in such close proximity shouting and singing. 

Why are people so bothered with alcohol gel when they're off to mix with 20,000/30,000 people or more? 

Now, they might not care if they get it, but if they do they'll be securing transmission to their family, friends and colleagues. 

Just be aware, if you get it, you could be responsible for passing it to thousands down the chain. 

Let's just hope your parents and grandparents aren't put at risk by you. 

Even my own elderly parents are stupidly off for a weekend break to a hotel. Idiots. 

Still, for many of you, it will be the first time youve considered washing your hands after taking a piss at Ashton Gate

Enjoy the game. 

Edit: to provide some context I should explain that for families like mine this is incredibly serious. We cannot risk visitors, we cannot risk any optional contact as the consequences could be grave. 

As it stands, we have banned all visitors from our house, all visits elsewhere. Our shopping is delivered and left at the door. Our children are days from being pulled from school. Myself and my daughter may need to move out for months, maybe. I may even need to resign my job to isolate myself. 

If my son contracts it, well...

The casual flippancy in general I find offensive. Its people like my son we should all be working to protect and there is little evidence of it. There are hundreds of thousands like him. 

The time to beat it is now, not next week. 

19 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Disagree. The Chinese authorities have done what is necessary. Up to you Johnson.

Agreed. Hindsight will tell us that allowing millions of people to attend sporting events this week, and ongoing, will have been a very bad idea.

11 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

The radio said police estimates were 20k & organiser estimates nearly 30k

With all the road closures (yes, I’m aware it was supposed to disrupt, to gain exposure) and police recourses - it could have just be held in Ashton Gate, with her speaking from the pitch (if they bought their own PA system!) 

If it had been at the Mem, the car park would have never been so full. Even on open air cinema day..! 

AG probably wouldn't have been appropriate, given its owner pops to the shops in his helicopter. 

25 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

somewhere I have a signed photo of sam fox from the dragonara hotel. she had some jugs on her.real ones too

Her and Mick Fleetwood. Can't bear to watch. 

9 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Then whole thing is a pathetic overreaction to a necessary part of nature.

Death rate for under 50's is 0.5%. The rate for healthy people is 0.9%. So the rate for those both healthy and under 50 is 0.45%. Can a global population of nearly 8billion survive that kind death rate? Of course it can. It needs it if anything. 

What an idiotic statement. 

If you care for anyone who is vulnerable, you wouldn't see them as acceptable collateral in a Darwinian storyline. 

If my son were to contract it, it would be a huge risk to his life and the same many other people I know. 

If the benchmark for addressing a problem is whether humanity will survive it, then why are we wasting money and effort on looking after the elderly? Maybe we should just get rid and spend the money on something else. 

2 hours ago, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

Not ridiculous at all. Relentless travel and the difficulty in diagnosing prior to symptoms means our best hope is a vaccine prior to mass spread. 

I imagine later this season or early next there may be a ban on all mass gatherings. 

Up to 50 million died from Spanish Flu last century and that was before mass travel. 

Measures like cancelling events would be a minimum action should it get a grip here.