LoyalRed
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Was chatting to some friends of ours last night (early 40's with 4 kids). They were the first in the queue to get their jabs as all they wanted to do was to get on holiday and get some sun, which they achieved this summer. Now they realize in order to do the same again next summer they will need to get a booster and vaccinate their young children as well. This has resulted in them believing they were forced or coerced into getting the jab by the Government.
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9 minutes ago, bbew said:
I often wonder what the benefits to peoples health would have been if the government and scientific advisors had used half as much effort encouraging people to get fit and healthy that they used in warning people of the dangers of covid, and the fear this has had on so many.
We know 1 million people get admitted to hospital each year (2,700 a day) where being overweight is a factor, and we know covid disproportionately effects those that are overweight - but not a whisper.
What huge benefits to peoples health there could have been if Boris or Chris Whitty just took 20 seconds during a press conference to encourage people to see a doctor if they have concerns about their health (and encourage those that are not visiting a doctor as are scared to catch covid or be a burden on the NHS), given we know advanced stages of cancer, heart disease and strokes are through the roof - not a whisper.
Far too many people want the easy way out. The easy way out for most is to roll up their sleeve and get the booster and then head off to Greggs for their fix.
You are right though, if they used the same scare tactics to encourage people to exercise then it might scare them enough to get off their sofa's.
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My last views on Vaccine Passports as I can already see the friendly bunch from the politics/covid forum have found the topic and now want to take over it with their scientific opinions and bash others that don't follow the same narrative as them.
If "Vaccine Passports" are purely in place just to try and stop the spread of this new Omricon variant then I don't have a problem with it. I won't be attending any games that have this "Vaccine Passport" in place but as long as it is just in place for this measure (although we have already seen in nightclubs in France that it doesn't work), then so be it. If in another month we find out that no-one has died of Omricon and hospital numbers are not really increasing drastically then we should all expect these measures to be immediately lifted!
The reason I won't be attending the games is because I can see the "Vaccine Passport", aside from sacking Care/NHS staff as another Draconian Measure to be introduced in this country. We all should be aware of where this can lead, @Med/MadHatter himself posted about how he is now singled out in Canada and can only visit shops and we are seeing the same across Europe.
Anyone that agrees with "Vaccine Passports" should ask themselves how far it would need to go before they didn't agree with it. At what point could the "Vaccine Passport" become an issue for them? At the moment the majority of people don't have an issue with it, double/triple jabbed and its simple to carry the passport as an app on the phone. But perhaps some people have opted against having their kids vaccinated for now...what if they UP the "Vaccine Passports" for children and then you can't take your kids to the game? What if they add another "Vaccine" to the "Vaccine Passport" that you don't think you need or want? Would that then effect you when you lost your passport or were forced into taking a vaccine you didn't think you needed? It all depends on whether this is a temporary measure or a money making exercise but the fact that every country is following the same narrative suggests is more about £££ than health. The timing of the announcement couldn't be more perfect either, just as Boris is at threat to resign over a Christmas party he announces Plan B.
Everyone has been effected by this Pandemic, we all have stories, some worse than others but everyone has been effected in some way. It is not a selfish act to say we don't want "Vaccine Passports" in place.
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4 hours ago, phantom said:
On this day in 1979 – The eradication of the smallpox virus is certified, making smallpox the first of only two diseases that have been driven to extinction (rinderpest in 2011 being the other)
Imagine the scenes if this was now
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18 minutes ago, MarcusX said:
That's one hospital.
Well I can't find the same chart for England but this is Scotland,
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@IAmNick I hope you are going to keep the goal updates coming
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10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:
Lots ARE. Which is why making those crowded areas safer might encourage them out.
Why should elderly fans and those with underlying health conditions (one-third of the population) confine themselves to their homes, just so some can carry on catching and spreading the virus willy nilly?
Downloading a phone app is just such a minor inconvenience to get worked up about. Even if you think it's pointless, it's so minuscule an effort.
And anyway, the government doesn't control every aspect of my life. I've got Mrs Robbo for that!
Aren't under 17's exempt from needing to show the covid pass? How is making life difficult again for over 18's going to help and encourage the elderly back when the highest covid rates right now are in the under 18's?
We are going to have to live with this for a very long time. We have already done lots to protect the elderly (I have personally been working from home for the past 2 years). There does need to be a point when we find a new normal but I can't really see a sudden rush by the elderly to come back to Ashton Gate just because there is a covid passport in place. The threat of them catching it still exists unfortunately.
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19 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:
You then have to look at how many of the vaccinated people had underlying conditions not to mention that vaccines will not be effective on everyone anyway. Also, what percentage of vaccinated people survived or avoided further serious complications compared to unvaccinated. I know it won't be this exaggerated but theoretically the 487 deaths could be 95% of unvaccinated people who caught covid and the 2,285 deaths could be 1% of vaccinated people who caught covid. That is the problem with publishing statistics without perspective (not having a pop at you btw).
Yes agree, just found it a high % (mainly in older people though as has always been the case). Sadly, even with a vaccine passport in place, that number won't change.
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3 minutes ago, LoyalRed said:
Page 17 is a little more scary,
Total Deaths in 28 days - 2772
Vaccinated: 2285 - 82%
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Just now, Riaz said:
Got a link? to show this?
I believe you, but the naive, will demand proof
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8 minutes ago, LoyalRed said:
Even if what @Son of Fred is saying is true, someone else posted that there are only 48 ICU beds in Southmead. 90% of them are full? There are over 280,000 people in South Gloucestershire...
Actually its not true.
Total number of patients in hospital: 8338
Vaccinated in hospital: 5506 - 66%
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4 minutes ago, Riaz said:
nonsense
Even if what @Son of Fred is saying is true, someone else posted that there are only 48 ICU beds in Southmead. 90% of them are full? There are over 280,000 people in South Gloucestershire...
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1 hour ago, BrizzleRed said:
You’ve made a load of really valid points in this thread but there’s one I can’t agree with.
You say the vaccine passport in stadiums won’t make you any safer than outside, and is pointless. All I’ll say is, can’t you see the difference between momentarily passing someone in a shop who’s infected, or squashed up next to them for 90 minutes in a stadium, and more than likely talking to them a foot apart, not 2 metres.
You seem really passionate in your views but imho, If no measures are taken now, we could find ourselves right in the shit again. This virus has proved that by the time the numbers start rocketing, you’ve ‘missed the boat’ and it takes really drastic measures to try and get control again.
The only way you can prevent yourself from catching it is by staying at home, going to games with your vaccine passport isn't going to protect you. If there was some spacing involved, e.g. you have to sit 3 seats away from each other whether it is each side of you, in front of you or behind you,... then likely you would be safe.
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1 hour ago, frenchred said:
No one said they are overwhelmed now. What part of prevent the NHS from becoming overwhelmed do you not understand?
Ask the staff if there are overwhelmed then. Half of them are going off sick with stress, the government are sacking the other half.
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1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:
Erm it's specifically ICU beds that's the problem and there is nothing like 996 ICU beds in the whole of Bristol.
In fact, Southmead only has 48 ICU beds.
2 years into a pandemic and 48 ICU beds
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21 minutes ago, Furious Custard said:
It's still sad how many people are just accepting that they will likely be a burden on the NHS this winter.
996 beds in southmead hospital and there are 50 beds occupied with covid patients right now, 60% of which are unvaccinated. Hospitals are not overwhelmed with covid despite what is being said.
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7 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:
I would rather none of this happened, and I don’t think it’s okay. The inclusion of lateral flows, well I think that’s quite an important distinction, personally. No one has been outcasted. If you are vehemently anti-vax, test, trace, mandate, whatever, you can fake a negative on an LF with ease. I don’t think presenting a faked negative lateral flow to get into a football match would be a facilitation of vaccine mandates. But I respect your choice.
I think you have just summed up how pointless it is, faking a lateral flow to get in surely defeats the purpose ?
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10 hours ago, Med/MadHatter said:
Well here in Alberta Canada, you are basically hamstrung to do anything but food shopping if you haven't been double jabbed, you then get a QR code issued that is then used to be scanned for entry in to any public business. I'm about to lose my job as it's 1500km away from home and I have to fly there, but as I'm not jabbed I can't use the planes. I remember Gulf War syndrome and the effects that "vaccine" had, so sorry not sorry I'm opting out until I feel there's enough evidence that it will benefit me
Sorry to hear your story. It really is now a mad world we live in and too many people are in acceptance of it.
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7 hours ago, pillred said:
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face, sorry but your attitude is all wrong, one day I'm sure with the benefit of hindsight you will see how wrong you are, that's assuming you will still be here, if you have had no vaccinations however young and fit you may think you are it's possible you could be one of the unlucky ones, why on earth are you being so stubborn? surely you don't believe the crap you see on the internet.
I’ve had both vaccinations as at the time I was told that by doing so I would be protecting the vulnerable and we would be able to get back to normal. That hasn’t happened so I will not be proceeding with the booster and I will not be abiding by vaccine passports. Not sure why you are claiming I have not had vaccinations but I guess if I don’t have the booster then I’m pushed into the unvaccinated shame bucket with everyone else.
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43 minutes ago, stephenkibby. said:
Compared to the rest of Europe and indeed the USA we are at the moment getting off lightly .
It’s the start, surely people can see this ? This is how it started in the rest of Europe and now “they aren’t getting off that lightly”. To be fair to Boris, he resisted for a long time but now there is something on him he’s quickly brought this in with the knowledge that although this variant is in at least 30 countries, nobody is yet to die of it. Shame the scientists skipped that point earlier.
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2 hours ago, lenred said:
Why would you protest against the club. It’s a government introduced regulation that the club must abide by.
Why do they need to abide ?
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2 hours ago, alexukhc said:
Here’s a question, so if fans can’t come in without the vaccine passport, what about players playing without the vaccine passport?
Does it really matter ? Half the Spurs team have covid and likely most of them have been vaccinated.
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Won’t be attending games, it’s that simple.
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2 hours ago, 054123 said:
Bakinson’s challenge is that when we are on the front foot, he is fine.
The moment the game gets scrappy or we have to dig in, he simply gets lost and doesn’t contribute.
It’s such a shame.
Wonderful feet and easy to see how he coasts through the academy system, but cannot impose himself at all.
Poor mans Pogba then
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