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9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:
He also said…”or expertise”.
Well some / all of that expertise required (PL experience / getting to the PL exoerience) was sacked last year:
- Alexander
- Pearson
- Euell
- Fleming
- Rennie
Think it proves they don’t follow strategy.
Harry’s “waffle” post the other day summed it up perfectly.
Was about to post that very list. So in effect it seems the Lansdowns and Tinnion believe they have more expertise than those people.
I take my criticisms back, we are lucky to be in the hands of such gifted people.
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2 minutes ago, Harry said:
That may indeed be true.
And one of the reasons it’s a complex sale. What if the new owner doesn’t want anything to do with the rugby?
Jon says they can be decoupled. Well; how do you decouple them if they’re allowed to use the stadium until the year 2129?It might be less difficult as 2129 is precisely the year Jon is targeting for promotion.
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12 minutes ago, WessexPest said:
Most of us recognise, and are realistic about, the financial constraints the club operate under
And some of us were critical of the massive overspending Steve allowed when Ashton was in charge.
So Jon, who's realistic and who plays Football Manager?
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8 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:
I didn't particularly like that article. For all the reasons internally that we had the lowest budget, ultimately we were relegated as the only team not affliated to a men's PL club who can afford to rack up losses on the women.
It's a very sad state of affairs that all the current men's PL teams have such an advantage over any other club in investing in a women's team, no matter the respective support base.
Sophie Downey has written a good piece:
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16 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:
Yeah bang. I can't work due to health any more so plenty of time to watch 2/3 games a day, England touring cricket, darts, pool & snooker. So much as I think Murdoch is a *** ****** little **** & horrible *******.
His sky set up stops me getting bored.
Murdoch hasn't owned the Sky Group for years.
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19 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:
My comment was a sarcastic comment because the worlds best managers do not have to have players telling them how to play.
It's absolutely ludicrous for anyone to suggest it should be a collaborative effort. What's next, players picking the staying line up?
That Spaniard you mention of course being Pep.
Pep has very clear philosophies. We may see tactical tweaks within the framework of those philosophies but the philosophies do not change and would not be changed by pressure from above or by the players.
This ultimately goes all the way back to Manning ball not being what the club wanted. Dress it up however you want, no one should have had to tell Manning that he should be playing to our strengths. That's a critical terminal error in his management.
I think you overstate your case. While final decisions will rest with Pep (or any manager) that doesn't mean he doesn't take into account the views of players. That's collaborative leadership, the hallmark of the best leaders imo.
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13 minutes ago, Gert Mare said:
Yep. I listened to both his and Brian Tinnions interviews several times, to get the facts right for the end of season reflection. Jon said "competing at the right end of the table" as well as "best chance of promotion THIS season" and Brian stated "Top end of the division".
"Top 6" has only ever been mentioned on this forum (and may have possibly originated from the Gavin Marshall interview perhaps? - I haven't seen that one so I cannot comment) and were not the exact words from either Jon or Brian.
I'm just about to listen to what Jon has to say now, although, as integrity is in serious question I'm expecting nothing to marry up with what was stated earlier in the season.
As I recall Jon subsequently told the Senior Reds that finishing 10th would be success. Top half certainly but I'm not sure many would regard that as top end.
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10 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:
I think 777's involvement is more curious than that.
They not actually been allowed to take over ownership. They've signed a contract to buy the shares, but they've not been ratified by the PL as satisfying the tests. However, that's not stopped them lending money to Everton, and in so doing they've tacitly taken a pretty controlling position.
Whether it satisfies the PL definition of "Control" would be interesting, but it's possible it could. That definition doesn't require ownership of shares.
Further complicated by the loans from other creditors (£160m) being secured on the new stadium and more than half of Moshiri's shares.
It's a Gordian knot but Alexander the Great is unlikely to take the club over.
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24 minutes ago, Harry said:
I’m certainly not against collaborative thinking and empowerment of the playing staff.
I certainly wouldn’t advocate a “my way or the highway” type of leadership.
So I don’t see a problem per sé in what occurred, nor do I see a problem per sé that Manning accepted the feedback from the players and took action.
The problem for me, and the reason that this incident gave me the full 180 (remember, I was backing him before this), was that it demonstrated to me that Liam didn’t have the nous nor the leadership to have recognised this problem for himself.
It was pretty clear to every single fan that the players were not able to play the style that Liam wanted. It should have been obvious to Liam and his staff too.
If should have been something that came from Liam to the group to say “ok lads, I see things aren’t working the way we want. Let’s revert to our collective strengths, get some form and results and we can continue to work on my new philosophy in training and seek to progress”.
The fact he didn’t recognise this himself and the change only occurred after the players intimated this, is why I lost all confidence in him.
As I said, I was very vocally behind him on this forum up until that point. And I’m still actually generally happy with how his term has progressed so far. But this incident showed me he doesn’t have the kahunaberries to lead this team to the top end.
I hope he does, and I’m not calling for his head - would be pointless anyway as he’s going nowhere. But I do now lack confidence in himYou make a very good point that hadn't occurred to me.
I wonder whether Liam didn't recognise the problem or whether he did but stubbornly stuck to his approach until the players persuaded him otherwise. Neither is a good sign.
On the other hand his willingness to listen and be flexible is to his credit. We were after all told he is learning on the job! I just hope he doesn't revert to type next season.
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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:
It feels like the Authorities are bending over backwards to try and preserve Everton and their financial position in some respects.
I genuinely would've appealed as the PL a 2nd deduction of only 2 points as being derisory given thst the threshold missed by 2 points.
PSR aside, can a club just exist in a never never world of a takeover process needing more time, more time and on borrowed money just getting loans that may or may not be repaid for a stadium that will be built but isn't it overdue and over budget already
The Guardian is now reporting that Everton have called in restructuring and insolvency practitioners.
The PL should surely now show 777 a red card. Everton's best hope might be that the other major creditors take over. Though they would then have to repay the 777 loans presumably so maybe not.
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Now Everton have avoided relegation perhaps their fans can turn their attention to 777 Partners takeover bid. Just when they thought it was safe to celebrate...
Or will they claim another conspiracy by the Premier League?
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Just now, myol'man said:
Wouldn't discuss Pearson "I'm not going over old ground "
Alternatively "I'm not going to repeat the lies I told before".
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18 minutes ago, redkev said:
I do agree with what your saying , but I could have all the training in the world but doesn’t mean I could be a professional football player ,
As for getting the job it’s not his fault daddy is a million / billionaire or what ever he is , by no way am I defending him completely as he has made some big mistakes , give criticism to the correct areas of his mistakes not just chuck any sort of criticism at him
I've not just chucked any criticism, I've pointed out his poor communication skills for somebody in a senior position. Those skills can be learned.
The soft skills required of the Chairman of a business are generic in the sense that you need them whatever business you are in. It seems reasonable to expect our Chairman to improve on those skills.
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Just now, Barrs Court Red said:
It’s a nonsense, though handily intangible bar though isn’t it.
It also smacks of the infamous nest egg of unspecified size to be used at an unspecified time.
Don't set a specific objective then you can claim success after the event.
Sorry Jon, we weren't born yesterday!
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4 minutes ago, redkev said:
Putting my head above the parapet here but expect to be shot down , I thought he spoke fairly well tbh ,
just because you are a chairman or a football manager doesn’t give you the divine right to be a professional guest speaker , for some people it’s there worst nightmare .
As for Manning I think his interviews have got better and more interesting as the season has gone on ( only slightly more interesting may I add ) but like the team slowly going the right way .I really feel next year is going to be very interesting in what way I don’t know but I really don’t know what to expect
Would you not expect somebody in a senior position in a business to have had some communication and presentation skills training? Except perhaps when you get the job through nepotism so don't need to prove you have the necessary skills.
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Thanks, I haven't yet watched this but I watched the Gordon one and like you was very impressed.
What you have to say brings me back to the view that the modern game is much less about positions and more about roles. E.g. the right backs available to England all have different profiles.
It's not quite the simple game people claim. If it ever was!
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50 minutes ago, Tim Monaghan said:
Just because Manning has quoted it, doesn’t mean it’s not nonsense.
What about all the other coaches from Pep down who use analytics as one of the tools available to them (not just xG that's just the only one pundits can cope with).
Shall I tell them they've all got it wrong or will you?
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Antoine was strerchered off with what seemed to be a serious knee injury. Let's hope it's not too bad.
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1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:
You and plenty of others appear to think that almost everyone has able to watch games on Sky TV.
Well, I've never, not ever will, contribute to the thing called Sky TV owned but the very obnoxious Aussie.
The Sky Group was sold to Comcast some years ago. The Dirty Digger is no longer involved.
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1 hour ago, spudski said:
Why don't they ask questions, without their own views added?
It gives the interviewed an outlet just to agree.
Ask a question without a view.
I wouldn't be too hard on them, there are loads of people in the professional media who seem incapable of asking an open question.
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9 hours ago, slartibartfast said:
More like Captain Beefheart !
My hero!
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3 minutes ago, Super said:
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Mile offside
On the replay you could see the assistant only comes into the picture just as Gnonto scores. Well behind the play.
I imagine Boro will be considering their options.
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Once a Bluebird Always a Bluebird.*
*Terms and conditions apply.
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8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:
Think it’s that the better sides (generally) are intent on playing their game / imposing their game and most of the bunch up the top are “footballing” teams…so they let you play too.
Certainly you will get more chance to play against better teams but if the opposition is playing conservatively it seems to me you need to be more aggressive, pressing higher to force errors. Instead we tend to turn passive, passing the ball around at a slow tempo. Which suits them fine.
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777 Partners
in Football Chat
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Indeed, as per the Everton thread.
They have claimed today that they have loaned Everton the delayed working capital (though they don't specify that it was the whole amount). That just covers a month though and is said to be at 10.25% interest.