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4 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Expecting Tinnion to return to his former role with the Academy would be like a company sending the senior managing director back to head of apprenticeships. Ain't gonna happen. 

But appointing him to a senior position in the first place was like promoting a long-serving middle manager to CEO.

8 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

What is the Board's response?

Is it "Oh well." perchance?

We don't have anything that could reasonably be described as a Board. Therefore there is nobody to challenge the club's decisions.

Not something that most fans care about but the lack of good corporate governance is one of the fundamental reasons for our current state.

15 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Shocking downhill slide since Pearson sacking.

If it was right to sack him, then it follows it MUST be right to sack Tinnion and Manning....sooner rather than later!

You are starting from a mistaken assumption that Nigel was sacked for football reasons. When it comes to JL and BT logic does not apply.

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yeah I agree on that, the nest egg thing is a big hole in my thinking.

However Coventry I am sure had more Headroom, how much more we could've spent Idk.

Again, nobody expected Coventry levels of spending. Nigel wasn't keen on spending big money anyway but he talked of getting one more player and I'm sure any target would have been in the affordable range.

25 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You’re at stalker levels D!!!  I’m online only.

Although did I tell you I’m going away next weekend as its international break?  Where am I heading?  Devon.  About 10 mins from where Nige is I believe.

Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you

Yes, I’ll be on the lookout for Nige!

 

It's all very well taking time off Dave but surely you'll come back deconditioned? Better to spend your time on the grass. One way or another there's plenty of that in Devon.

26 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

What Tinnion said had an element of truth in that they had much lower losses coming into this season and both players were sold post May 31st so they had more Headroom IMO.

However he didn't explain it well at all. On a basic level though he may have had a point but on the other hand we could have spent more than we did. Should have too.

Doesn't really wash for me. It wasn't that we couldn't spend a bit more of the money raised (nobody was demanding we spend loads, least of a!l Nigel).

Rather we were told we were building a nest egg for some unspecified point in the future. Which was code for not wanting to give Nigel any more.

4 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

What also might be making Lansdown Snr even more unhappy at the moment is that his favourite manager, Mark Robins, has just got Coventry to an FA Cup Semi-Final and they are still very much in with a shout of making the playoffs, despite selling their two best players from last season. That just underlines how poor the appointment of Manning has been by comparison.

We can't compare with Coventry though because they sold players for big money.

I thought we had done the same but Tinnion put us right on that. Our technical director certainly has his finger on the pulse.

32 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think a new manager can not only galvanise the players, but also those above.

Except those above don't want to be galvanised, they want a compliant head coach who'll defer to Tinnion.

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Just to confirm, not dissing Andi in any way, just that one of my favourite and respected players in recent years is congratulating WBA.

A man of Weimann's admirable qualities has no place at a club run by a bunch of incompetent shysters. And I don't mean West Brom!

1 minute ago, AshtonGreat said:

i don't think there can be too many fingers pointed at Manning today. WBA are and always have been a bigger club, and they have a better squad of players. We played OK

You mean their top end squad is top -ender than our top end squad?

Just now, Dastardly and Muttley said:

We are really useless. What are we actually good at? Can someone tell me, as I can’t see it?

Name ONE singular aspect of the game that we excel at.

Behaviours?

6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Corberan a master at getting his system to be effective

I've been a big fan of his since his Huddersfield days. I remember Nigel being very complimentary about him also.

If I could take one coach from another club to take over here it would be him. No chance of course.

58 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

To be fair to him, I think he is more saying that you need to keep focussed on the job in hand, which is a more “traditional” message, he just frames it really badly. Emotion/Emotional is a really poor word for a coach to use to fans because they’re naturally emotional about their team - and want players to be as well.

The trouble is he’s got himself in this unhelpful language and he can’t seem to change. But what he really means, as opposed to “got too emotional” when conceding is “we switched off”.

Its one of many things he needs to improve (it’s not the biggest bit) but he would, ironically, definitely benefit from a bit of coaching on how to present himself and connect “emotionally”

I agree up to a point. For many years, especially in relation to the England team, people would bang on about "passion", often claiming foreign teams couldn't match us for it or complaining that players didn't show enough.

It was nonsense of course as coolness under pressure is important in winning games. But of course you need the right mix of both.

So I wouldn't say Liam is wrong rather that he over emphasises one over the other. He compounds the problem by saying the same thing week after week, giving the impression that he has a very narrow range of ideas. It may be no big deal if it irritates fans but my concern is whether it reflects the way he talks to the players.

The shadow leader of the House, Lucy Powell, said Labour would make the introduction of a regulator “an election issue” in places with struggling clubs if the government did not act.

“If the Conservatives want to make this an election issue in those places, I say bring it on,” Powell said. “Let us be really clear: if they do not want to regulate football governance, then we will.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/14/efl-looks-to-independent-regulator-to-break-premier-league-impasse

I'm sure Infantino is getting no personal benefit from this.

8 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

Hope Tymon goes to AEK one day.

A Shakespeare reference*. You won't get that on Gaschat!

*Not the pub 

1 minute ago, spudski said:

Well it was Luton the other month...they keep mentioning other teams, yet apparently we want to achieve success doing it our own way. 

 

So far we have been told we should copy Brighton, then Brentford, then Luton and now Ipswich. At this rate we will eventually get through the remaining clubs in the pyramid in 88 years.

Actually 87, we can't compare with Coventry because the sold players for big money.

6 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Close but I think you may be 2 Southamptons short there.

1 hour ago, Harvey86 said:

Phillips moves on loan to another Premier League team where he's starting semi regularly (more so than at Man City anyways!) and he's instantly dropped. Don't think we need him particularly, but I'd rather him than Henderson either way

To quote the Guardian:

Southgate had been a factor in Phillips choosing to remain in the Premier League in January with a loan move to West Ham from Manchester City. But the midfielder has endured a torrid time at the London club, starting only three games, in which he has made a costly error against Bournemouth, received a red card at Nottingham Forest and been substituted at half-time against Burnley. He has come on as a substitute in four other matches.

Seems the right decision to me. Southgate would have got stick for picking him in those circumstances so it's a no win situation as it always is with England managers.

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

£20m according to one report.

Less than it's value for sure but at the same time, I'm shocked Wycombe can seemingly afford that. Wasn't aware Couhig himself so well off.

A Georgian billionaire living in Kazakhstan is the source of the money according to Ben Fisher:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/14/reading-owner-dai-yongge-training-ground-sale-wycombe

As expected potential buyers for Reading have withdrawn because the training ground is not part of the deal.

11 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Exposing kids to variables systems of play, is wildly thought to be not beneficial. Young players lack the cognitive understanding. Episodic training does not create deeper learning versus periodized training.  

Bristol City don't train young players only one way, and most clubs do not either. Young players go through age related phases and the training reflects the age related priorities. Tactics at early ages are very rudimentary (understanding), skill creation is the priority. Players at early ages will generally play in multiple positions at academies, and development centres through foundation and youth stages. 

Post youth stage is professional development. Clubs do not play one system, systems are playing systems, variables of playing systems, and these playing systems won't be one formation systems. Even Ajax and Barcelona don't use one system.  

 

 

Thanks, it's always interesting to get an alternative take. Which take I should choose I have no idea!

Given what you say it seems odd for the club to say we are going to play the same way at all levels. Then again clarity of thought and words is not a feature of the club right now.

4 hours ago, SimonD said:

Not relevant to FFP any more but Reading are apparently selling their training ground to Wycombe Wanderers. I can't be easy supporting Reading these days.

 

 

If Wycombe can afford it I assume they paid well below the potential market value.

It may also make it harder to sell the club, which no longer owns a valuable asset.

No doubt they can now pay their bills in the short term but it doesn't help in the long term.

2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Slightly different, but I remember a little film on Ajax (I think) , 20-30 years ago. They had the young players playing in every position so they could understand what other players were going through. Then become more rounded players. The same thing has surely got to apply with systems. Become a one trick pony and it will stunt development. 

Yes, Ajax and Total Football came to my mind too. Rinus Michels is usually credited with it though Austria in the 30s and Hungary in the 50s took a similar approach.

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What did I say the other day!!

Indeed you did Dave. I wonder if our technical director has thought this through?

Stupid question!