Mr Popodopolous

West Ham seem more financially able than Wolves once the Rice move goes through although they will he looking for FFP reasons be looking to have a net spend of £0. So say they get £100m for Rice..will they spend 25 pct of that on Scott? Depends how much of the side they want to revamp I guess.

It's still too early to say in some ways, the market so far has been really quiet at this level. Is it usually quite so quiet by 22nd June? The relegated clubs on paper are big names but also all have separate issues. Martin isn't terribly inspiring at Southampton for one. Leicester with Maresca could well tap the Man City loan opportunities, subject to their financial questions and Leeds don't even have a manager yet! Some clubs are leaving it a bit late in terms of filling up their squads. 44 days until the sesson starts.

https://www.football365.com/news/chelsea-book-values-june-30-transfer-deadline-havertz-mount-kovacic-lukaku-feature Good Chelsea FFP article although the large impairment in 2021-22 may well be Lukaku or a major chunk of his value.

Think maybe £60m with a potential further £5m in add-ons. Different shape, different environment- return to the CL, perhaps he has a solid record in the latter but It does seem like direct rivals folding to some extent. As a buying club in that scenario some power is held, if the 30th June deadline is accurate.

If Collins goes for £20m, book profit there is £4m less any sell on fee to Burnley. Therefore to all intents and purposes it's £4m towards FFP. It may get them back to parity. Then it's £1 in £1 out although wage savings on those who left on frees and in general also will improve the cost base.

In layman's terms, unless it has changed for every 4 euros saved, only 1 can be reinvested for clubs beyond a certain point. In the red zone, special measures call it what you want.

The debt thing, what matters most with debt at this sort of level but I suppose any level is profile of the debt and ability to pay, ratios etc. Barcelona as well as UEFA FFP also have La Liga FFP hoops to jump through- I wonder if it'll be signed off at that level instantly or if it may drag. Think they must offload certain amounts of wages and players as there has been a rule about ratios and balances.

Bernardo Silva now linked quite strongly?? Given he is in peak years and top form that would be another landmark signing.

Thanks and that is surprising for N exec but also figures. I remember watching one or two communications by him during Covid...they were interesting! Yeah heard Chansiri can get a bit animated for sure. I remember reading about him declaring the club up for sale but the swearing bit I didn't know of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46630885 This the one? I also remember reading of one whereby he declared that Sheffield Wednesday night have been same season, he declared that FFP had been failed by a huge amount. Think back in 2018. Pitch invaders on a non matchday? Drunken hi jinks

Seems to be a French link

Oh yeah it seems to be in French.

No idea of credibility etc. https://twitter.com/agentosecretov4/status/1671593958735060992?s=20

Just on Chelsea. That really isn't so far especially inflated..if that is €40m for the pair, not individually then that's about £34.4m in gross fee. Book Value of Koulibaly alone is £25.5m, Mendy £8.8m- they may just break even or make a very modest profit.

Pep may have taken it further and established it more with Stones but he didn't reinvent the wheel with that tactic.

Certainly can't sell Fixed Assets. One year retrospective rule also gone. Now the prior 2 years and 3 years losses mean thst if a club fall between £15m and £39m they need to submit their next 2 years worth of financial projections to the EFL. Their next 2 seasons projections ie from summer 2023 to summer 2025 will need to show adjusted losses at £39m or below, ie across 2022-23, 2023-24 and 2024-25 or the EFL can intervene pre-emptively to seek to prevent a breach before it occurs. This last power arrived in February 2022. Club and League work together or spending limits imposed if in the reasonable view of the League a breach is on the cards either in the upcoming season or 2 years hence.

Yeah Stoke. They should also look at rhe Holdings for both Bristol City and if they haven't yet Stoke. It reflects the consolidated costs and revenue for both. Stoke Bet365 sponsorship and naming rights..hmm. Fair value...hmm.

By no means only Chelsea though, this is where FFP becomes greyer- £40m for Morata from Atletico a reported Saudi bid or suggested- it's suspect without doubt but there may also be an element of right place right time, Saudi Arabia still in the early growth phase of it IMO. Eat huge losses early with no FFP beyond Europe- open to abuse but shades of a legit business of plan too.

In theory well the Rice £100m valuation or however much it is would make it easy but. https://www.claretandhugh.info/uefa-warn-west-ham/ I would say yes but they will try and have a net spend of £0 for FFP reasons. How far they can spread that will be a key question. I know about amortisation etc but one factor to consider. They were put on a UEFA watchlist in 2022.

Although depending on their budget, an early report suggested £70-75m ie in fees, maybe if they want to strengthen 2 or 3 positions Scott may come into the reckoning.

Few random thoughts from the Derby forum. One of their more financially sensible posters who I forgot to screen shot also thinks £2.5m.

Still thinking £2.5m will be the magic number especially if multiple clubs in for him. Couple on Derby forum reckon £4m, final year of deal feels doubtful!

Just on the FFP front, Arsenal signing Havertz if true for £65m when 2 years left on deal and yielding a close to £40m book profit if before a June 30th deadline is in some ways a bigger help than the Saudi stuff. Reportedly there was only set to be a £10m aggregate book profit across Mendy, Koulibaly, Ziyech and Aubameyang. Yes I know wages and future amortisation too. Context he signed for Chelsea in 2020 for £70m or maybe a bit above...Arsenal not using leverage very well there if true given the impending 30th June deadline. £30m for Kovacic another example.. final year of deal if by June 30th that us give or take a £21-22m profit..scratch that Kovacic an initial £25m, with add-ons perhaps rising to £30m if hit. Knock £5m off the profit.

If Stoke are in, as someone on this thread mentioned they can on paper go big or biggish. Whether they will is a different issue but how they achieved compliance in part I would question from an FFP perspective. However the point is that they can if they choose to go bigger than us this summer based on a) Their actions in 2019-20 which should be worked IMO b) Yes player sales too, higher than us c) Fixed asset sales of £32m profit in 2020-21 and d) Not having that mant players atm! Unless Scott goes I can't see much more being spent or able to be spent this summer. Of course we can always maybe look to spend a bit mkre first on the proviso that we anticipate a decent Scott fee.

Ah I see yeah. We know that their baseline Championship revenue has been around £20-22m. Isn't the TV money gap around £6-7m annually, they don't seem to disaggregate the revenue into many categories which doesn't help. We know that in 2020-21 the Covid losses wwre probably £8-10m and the wage bill was £24.287m. Their total revenue was £11.644m plus £761k in what I assume to have been furlough. Anyway it seems to he intimated as being a £10m loss but without seeing the accounts I can't begin to look at clearly.

Hard to know though based on this. Struggling to see where £10m loss kicks in in unless there was a bit that isn't in the transcript and it was around £10m in 2021-22 and the same again in 2022-23.