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1 minute ago, JP Hampton said:

Thought they are good. Actually naming players etc. certainly no worse than Robins. 

Yeah me too, they're actually commentating on the game and chatting about what's going on more than I'm used to on RobinsTV. Bit of passion too (even if it's for the wrong team), I think it's decent

6 minutes ago, ORANGE500 said:

Wouldn't be surprised to learn that you said the exact same thing prior to the Southampton game too

Probably, because that's exactly why it's hard to feel optimistic at the moment - it's so unpredictable and rare when we'll put in a good performance

A lot of "I demand to speak to the manager!" energy in this thread

2 minutes ago, Nomad said:

If it is just a niggle why would we offload? If it's a long term injury a player is unlikely to get a contract elsewhere. 

I'm not saying we should, just that it's more complicated than saying the cost to the club is the same whether you try and offload a player or just keep them for the duration of their contract.

31 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The logic of this is lost on me. If his contract is paid up it will cost the City the same amount of money that it would if he stayed. It would also involve an upfront cost which compared to phased payments is bad for cash flow (though in the overall scheme of things it’s a small percentage of the total costs). If he stays at least there is a possibility that he might get on the pitch before the end of the season 

Presumably though there is a cost (not necessarily monetary) of every player being at the club though - physio time, whatever training they can do, medical time, and so on?

You might also be able to negotiate some lower lump sum I guess, the benefit for the player being they can take that and then potentially get a new contract elsewhere.

2 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Surely the main reason there's a shit atmosphere is that the songs are boring and shite. Is there a fire drill, is this a library, your support is fkin' shit., you're not singing anymore, 1-0 and you fkd it up, etc etc. 

Ok ok, but get this - have you tried all those same songs, but randomly shouting "you ****" at the end?

8 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Especially if you sit in the Dolman as you rarely hear a word that’s said anyway..

Ringside seats for the apple roll though!

11 hours ago, Malago said:

Not forgetting Tins played a key role in the signing of both Antione and Alex Scott, which consequently netted the club £30 million plus. Transfer income might not matter to the OTIB Taliban, but it puts him in significant credit with SL

Right, but that's because I don't give two shits if Steve pockets £30m. I care about what's happening on the pitch, which direction the club are headed in, and if/when we do sell players - how much of that is then used to benefit the club... which appears to have been £0m.

At the moment, as a fan, the only effect those sales have had on me are a) I no longer get to watch 2 of the most exciting players I've seen at AG in a long time, and b) er... that's kind of it. As far as I know we didn't need it for FFP, and even if we did the amount doesn't matter there as we weren't far off.

You've talked about him being in credit with SL. Maybe he is. But what about whether he's in credit with YOU, as a fan?

17 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

There are too many negatives to this

Firstly, what about the supporters already sitting in those seats? Some consisting of groups of friends and family? Where can they move to and stay together?

Secondly, and I have said this many times before, you cannot have people standing in a central block next to people sitting in an adjacent block because the people sat down can't see! The old east end worked because EVERYONE was stood up! They are stood up in the corner for a reason...

Sorry lads and lasses, it won't work 

 

 

You could do it across the whole of the back though no? I'm not sure if that'd help as people would be more spread out, but it's an option.

I just think they should just go for it personally. You're right there are negatives and people would have to be moved but the other option is just to never make any change to anything - because you'll disturb people anywhere you try and do stuff. Half the ground have already had to move in the last 10 years due to the rebuild. It's doable.

I'd give all the moved people first refusal on any other seat in the ground, and match their current season ticket price for the first year or two as a gesture of good will.

The real thing to do to improve the atmosphere is improve what we're seeing on the pitch though. Shuffling folk around might help a bit, but it's not addressing the real cause of the malaise. Lots of grounds (and at times at AG) have shown that exciting football creates a good atmosphere even in crap conditions.

17 minutes ago, AberRed said:

 

 

Edit: Ignore this, tried to make a fantasy football reference but didn't quite pan out as I hoped 

I don't play fantasy football and worked out what you meant, don't sweat it

Downsy is kind of annoying I guess but tbh I just tune him out, and I do that for basically all the stadium announcers and mute the half time chat on RobinsTV.

I don't really understand why people get so worked up about him, he has zero effect on my enjoyment of the game.

2 minutes ago, Superjack said:

Not at all disagreeing with your well put post.

But given the events of this season in particular, is this not a bit of Karma coming home to roost?

(of course, it isn't, because it's just words on a forum)

Yeah I get that, especially when we all put so much time, money, and emotional energy into the club. Emotions run high and like with Ashton I'll have a smile on my face if Ipswich blow it this year.

I think karma is whatever happens in his professional life though... he's still just a guy at the end of the day and doesn't deserve personal abuse.

39 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I was talking about this on another thread today - it’s considered to be ‘fact’ Tinnion is THE academy man. He seems to get the majority of plaudits for our youth set up, but the question is…is that fair??

The fact is - he’s wasn’t head of the academy until 2021 - when the last crop of academy boys had made their first team debuts - Scott, Conway and Bell etc.

The plaudits there should be going to Gary Probert, academy manager for 9 years - who left to go to….Ipswich….

Semenyo, Scott, Conway, Bell, Vyner, Max, Pring, Kelly, Bryan, Bobby… all pre- Tinnion as manager of the academy.

We also know the pathway has been a success in recent years, but that was ironically largely due to FFP blunder transfer restrictions and NP having to blood so many.

Before 2021 he was part of the scouting team and he was the loan manager (remember NP’s comment on that) - but credit to him for his part in finding some of these players.

We are yet to see what ‘his’ crop of 2021 onwards boys can do at first level, the supply has seemingly slowed. Perhaps in part because they are chasing FA youth cup glory? Now we have more room with the cash, you could argue the Jan signings he made have played a part in blocking the pathway.

Interestingly in my research for all this - you get the sense for some years the club have been grooming Tinnion for this role. 

In all the articles about the success of the academy or signings of youngsters like Scott etc - there is Tinnion “loan manager” in the picture with the player and sometimes Probert.

And it’s often Tinnion who is the one doing to media on the academy, despite him being “loan manager” or “pathway manager” - not Probert as head of the academy in the limelight, but Tinnion put forward.

Hence why I think the perception is what it is and why I think he may be getting more credit than he’s due…

Sorry if people think I’m being harsh on Tinnion - if anyone with a better knowledge of the academy can refute my analysis - I’m happy to stand corrected.

I partly agree and think his role is probably overstated a bit, but it's also disingenuous when people try and remove him from everything good just because of current sentiment (not saying you're trying to do that btw).

In reality he was part of a team up there who were successful. No one of them was fully responsible, and I'm sure Probert would say the same thing, as would Pearson. They probably deserve an equal share along with many more names we don't know - but that's not at the exclusion of Tinnion imo. It appears he was an important figure up there and was for some time. I get the feeling if he was academy director we'd be saying he was just sat in an office pushing paper and the folk on the ground deserve the real credit.

So I think you're right - his contribution is probably overstated, but let's also not diminish it completely. That serves no purpose.

I think it's absolutely fair to question, critique, and be vigorous when talking about his professional role. That extends into how he communicates, his literacy, etc. In my opinion due to the position he's in.

It sometimes descends into personal attacks or basically bullying though, and the same with Jon Lansdown which is just sad and unnecessary imo.

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

Can't agree about the manager however much I still have my reservations. He is the manager so he should be on there. The Technical Director should be nowhere near it, end of. May as well put Scott Murray on there as him. Probably just gave them an idea for next season...........

Isn't this Murray on that picture?!

£700 for crap mid table Championship football next year, not very enticing.

I'm pretty sure Leicester do a renewal discount of 10% or something, would be nice for City to do something like that imo.

39 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

has done a good job in the past - both as a player and running the academy.

Right, so he knows and is skilful at playing football and developing/running an academy. He is poor at communication, first team management (see: his failed attempt here), and basic literacy and numeracy.

So given all that which presumably you agree with, do you think he'd be better placed as some kind of academy director, or a technical director/CEO hybrid role of the entire club/footballing operation?

55 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

Why not just be honest? We're not trying to hoodwink an opponent about an upcoming fixture, etc. AlI I can imagine is that they do not now want an injury back story if he us underwhelming and they might move him on.

Yeah I agree, what's the point in lying/obscuring the truth? What does it gain them, unless it's something quite personal and they've decided with the player not to release it. But even then you'd think they could be a bit more forthcoming without giving details away, like they did with McCrorie.

They're just making life easier today, at the cost of it being a lot more awkward in the future. So naive/short termist. Very odd.

Last minute pen for FGR to give them a 2-0 lead (and win presumably)

What a job he's doing, very impressive

Just an absolutely awful game. I'm really pleased we got the points and that'll hopefully be the end of the relegation talk but my god... It was not easy watching. I can't remember being that bored at a game in a long time.

Is it unusual this season? I feel like every season roughly half the division changes their manager and they're usually not all or even mostly all happy.

The number of managers who even have back to back success is quite rare too imo. Most we'd even consider reasonably successful have one success then two or three dud appointments. That's just how the game works, there are so, so many variables each time the consistent ones are almost non existent, especially at our level.

I think the truth is there's a huge amount of luck, both "on the day" and in them being in an environment they can work well in - people around them, players, facilities, expectations. That's not meant as a derogatory statement, luck is vitality important in success.

As someone above said, were Gary and Cotterill really a cut above other managers we've had? Or did the stars just align. In some ways it could equally be Wilson and McInness we're looking back fondly on as other teams do.

So the answer is - I don't think there really is an answer!

1 minute ago, The Original OTIB said:

50 plus

That'd need every team down there to find better form than they've had all season. I'd be surprised.

3 minutes ago, Super said:

How many points do we need do you reckon? Someone said 54 which seemed way too high!

High 40s I reckon. 48/49 or so.

FGR 9th in the form table, W3 D1 L2. Long way to go but if Cotts somehow keeps them up it's an absolute miracle he's worked there

4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

 

It was after a really positive result against Southampton where we went really close with three points off the playoffs.

Eh? We were four points weren't we, with a worse goal difference and having played an extra game compared to most?