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If we criticise each other for being "knee jerk" by having the knives out after one bad loss, surely if we're being intellectually honest we should have the same view after one good win?

That's tackling the symptom, rather than the problem though right? I'd argue that so are parachute payments.

The problem isn't that there isn't enough money in the Championship / Championship teams aren't spending enough. The problem is that there's too much money in the Premiership. Limit them, and that'll reduce the chasm.

I agree SL is a big problem and ideally would sell some or all of the club.

I also think him getting pissed off is the greatest chance of change at the senior levels in the shorter term (Tinnion and Manning). We're looking poor enough that I'm slightly concerned about next season, so I want that to happen - ideally before the summer.

I don't think those things are mutually exclusive. Hoping Steve steps in to avoid complete disaster isn't saying he's not part of the problem.

17 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

I am afraid the truth is simple, as many have said.  Manning clearly isn’t good enough.  He must go and go asap.  SL must just accept they made a mistake.  No shame in that.  Remember, SL, it is always the cover up that gets you in the end.

I think our best hope is that it's seen an a JL/BT mistake which SL then has to step in and sort out, like with Holden. Maybe he'll even get a little ego trip out of it, who knows.

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

Logic says Tinnion.

6 more months roughly takes Manning to the first international break in September, approx 10 games into the season.

Sack Tinnion now.

Then if we're struggling after 10 in 2024/25 at least there might be someone competent in place to guide the Lansdowns (if for just once they might consider taking guidance) to find a replacement manager.

If Manning goes now then it's the same three-headed beast appointing and then working with his successor. 

I agree with you, I think, but that "might be" in your fourth sentence is doing some serious heavy lifting in your logic!

I don't know but I get the feeling when the wheels are really coming off Steve steps in and tries to sort it out. I guess you opted to ditch Manning that's your best shot of getting an ok outcome? I can't believe I'm saying that...

1 minute ago, Wokingham Red said:

I will never forget Derek McInnes’ last match. 
The whole stadium singing “**** off McInnes, Get out of our club” He was sacked after this.

Shame “Manning” only has two syllables

"**** off behaviours, we want some outcomes" would work

37 minutes ago, Jose said:

Like you said they deserve everything they get. They deserve relegation the way they’ve gone about things. Unfortunately we are along for the ride. I fear the next couple of season if SL doesn’t hurry up and sort out OUR club. Not much hope for that I’m afraid. 

I agree.

The really annoying thing is we avoided what was a pretty high chance of relegation with the screw ups in the last few years that Pearson sorted out. Now we've potentially brought one on  completely unnecessarily. Talk about pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. It's just beyond belief.

1 hour ago, noize said:

Funny how we weren't even in contention, but now we have appeared in the list of possibilities.

I'm gonna stick £100 on City at those odds.

We appear in the list of possibilities because suckers will then put £100 bets on, which is free money for the bookies. Not because we'll go down.

Loads of managers and players have what seem like bizarre rituals they follow. In fact let's be honest, we all do.

We're shit at the moment but this is reaching a bit I think.

20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Forget self-sufficiency at this level. Or anything close.

It's a laudable aim but pointless as things are currently constituted.

WBA gave us 2k today despite a similar capacity. Birmingham give away sides 2k.

Sell some Naming Rights or something.

Sorry the advantage of a bit of extra cash in the grand scheme set against the advantage you can hand an away side is ridiculous.

I like the sentiment but we're losing games because we're total dog shit, not because there are 800 more away fans in the Atyeo

2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’d hoped so too but this seems to indicate he’s staying.

 

Implying there's a functional board at the club is a stretch even by Roy's standards!

3 minutes ago, One Team said:

Bang on Harry. Footballers aren’t looking to input their opinion, they need to be shown and told what to do. 

Emotion is what football is absolutely all about. I want to see anger, pain, frustration, pleasure and excitement. It’s what makes us feel connected and alive. 

I couldn’t give a shit where we are in the table or in what league we are in. Just ******* CARE for ***** sake. That’s all we ask. 

Remove emotion? **** off Manning .

I think there's definitely a time to get your players opinions and thoughts on your system. However, outside of the basics in case they've seen something you haven't, at half time when you have a very short period to come up with a plan, and communicate effectively so that it'll happen out in the pitch five minutes later with a reasonable sized group that isn't it. That needs clarity and direction.

Didn't bother me too much in the first half tbh but he got progressively more idiotic once it was clear they were going to win 

West Brom second: https://streamin.one/v/eb188426

Really all we need is a new goalkeeper who never concedes a goal, at least one playmaker who creates multiple high quality chances every game, and then a couple of strikers who never miss chances and we'll be golden!

Someone should contact the club and make sure they're aware - we might have cracked the code to winning promotion here.

Until the goal it was sort of a 6/10 on the effectiveness scale, about a 3/10 on the entertainment one. Little harsh to be going in behind perhaps but we also didn't look much like scoring - Conway's slightly fortuitous chance aside.

Hopefully a bit of a change and some not back foot (I can't bring myself to say it properly...) football in the second half.

West Brom goal: https://streamin.one/v/52852331

2 minutes ago, BLRed said:

These commentators are terrible. Andy is like an excitable little school girl. Very unprofessional and highly biased

Isn't he a West Brom ex player, fan, and commentating on some kind of West Brom tv...?! What are you expecting exactly

1 minute ago, JP Hampton said:

Thought they are good. Actually naming players etc. certainly no worse than Robins. 

Yeah me too, they're actually commentating on the game and chatting about what's going on more than I'm used to on RobinsTV. Bit of passion too (even if it's for the wrong team), I think it's decent

6 minutes ago, ORANGE500 said:

Wouldn't be surprised to learn that you said the exact same thing prior to the Southampton game too

Probably, because that's exactly why it's hard to feel optimistic at the moment - it's so unpredictable and rare when we'll put in a good performance

A lot of "I demand to speak to the manager!" energy in this thread

2 minutes ago, Nomad said:

If it is just a niggle why would we offload? If it's a long term injury a player is unlikely to get a contract elsewhere. 

I'm not saying we should, just that it's more complicated than saying the cost to the club is the same whether you try and offload a player or just keep them for the duration of their contract.

31 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The logic of this is lost on me. If his contract is paid up it will cost the City the same amount of money that it would if he stayed. It would also involve an upfront cost which compared to phased payments is bad for cash flow (though in the overall scheme of things it’s a small percentage of the total costs). If he stays at least there is a possibility that he might get on the pitch before the end of the season 

Presumably though there is a cost (not necessarily monetary) of every player being at the club though - physio time, whatever training they can do, medical time, and so on?

You might also be able to negotiate some lower lump sum I guess, the benefit for the player being they can take that and then potentially get a new contract elsewhere.

2 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Surely the main reason there's a shit atmosphere is that the songs are boring and shite. Is there a fire drill, is this a library, your support is fkin' shit., you're not singing anymore, 1-0 and you fkd it up, etc etc. 

Ok ok, but get this - have you tried all those same songs, but randomly shouting "you ****" at the end?