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4 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

The comments made about a style of play was made by Tinnion whilst Pearson was still here.

They then hired a manager that was alien to that style of play.

I think it was the opposite. In the Joe Simms interview JL implied (or it sounded it to me) that we weren't playing the way the club wanted/expected.

The fact they then hired a manger with a very different style backs that up imo.

Probably just a pretty normal kid who liked some subjects, didn't like others, and had a few mates.

2 hours ago, Colemanballs said:

You have been sucked into a Manning vs Pearson debate which is a (deliberate) distraction from the issue at hand, namely whether Manning should be given more time. What Pearson did or not do and what challenges he faced are irrelevant to the decision we are faced with now which I think boils down to how one answers the following questions. 

• Is the current squad suited to the style of play Manning prefers? My opinion: No. I think pretty much everyone agrees on this whether in the pro or anti Manning camps.
• Will Manning change style to a more pragmatic approach to suit the squad? My opinion: No. He has made it abundantly clear that he is wedded to this possession football.
• Can the current squad be easily transformed (bearing in mind our likely budget) into a squad that is suited to the style of play Manning prefers? My opinion: No. The squad has been built to play a fast, counterattacking style of play, the antithesis of the possession based style Manning favours. Transitioning to such a style would require a significant revamp of the existing squad requiring serious investment and excellent transfer dealings.
• Is the style of play Manning prefers likely to see us challenging for promotion? My opinion: No. To work, possession based football requires that you have players who are significantly better than the opposition. I cannot think of a single club that has been promoted from the Championship playing possession based football that has not had the benefit of parachute payments. Of the clubs that have not had the benefit of parachute payments that have been promoted from the Championship, they have generally played some kind of pragmatic style.
• Is the style of play Manning prefers likely to see us playing more attractive football? My opinion: No. I find all that sideways passing tedious. I appreciate that many appreciate that style of football though.

I don't like to see anyone fired, but based on my answers to the questions, I believe he should go now. Otherwise, the very real fear is that we waste substantial money rebuilding the squad over the summer and at best end up mid table and at worst are in a relegation battle. Obviously, my answers are all opinions and it may be that others would answer yes to some or all of them and therefore come to a different conclusion. Based on the evidence we have before us though, it is difficult for me to see how they would do so.

Good post and I largely agree. However - is the real question whether we have appetite (as fans) for a rebuild or not?

We've been told this is the way the club will now play, so in theory even if Manning goes the next person is likely to run into the exact same problems. Maybe they'll be better at meeting in the middle, but regardless they'll need a new squad to match this style of football we apparently want.

In wanting to replace him, we're really hoping the club change strategy and appoint someone who will play a style that suits our players. In theory that should be very unlikely based on what the club have said 

So I guess if Manning goes, we're looking at a rebuild regardless. So it comes down to whether he's the right man to do that - and the stuff about the style not matching and the fact he'll need to rebuild is irrelevant?

Is the real question here - do you agree with the current style of play the club are trying to implement? Everything else is a factor of that.

Will Still, because he likes computer games and so do I.

He also said he'd be open to managing in the Championship recently:

"I would work for a Championship team without a problem,” said Still. “What I’ve now understood, I’ve now realised, is how important people are. And how important finding the right place to be is going to be for my career. And people who understand the way I work, because I’m a bit different. I’m a bit odd sometimes. But if there’s a Championship club that’s ambitious, that wants to work in the right way and be open and honest about things, and really try and push to get somewhere, then I would love to do that."

He operates in our environment:

“Because of the DNA of the club, and the way the club is run, we get players in and then sell them,” Still explains. “So, every six months to a year, you just have to renew the whole squad and the whole team. And that’s what happened again here in January. Basically, we sold our best player and we’re now looking to find a new balance.”

"“We were basically stripped down to bare bones — playing with kids,” Still says. “Which was really interesting, but makes life a bit more complicated.” On January 21, Reims went to third-tier Sochaux in the last 32 of the French Cup. They finished the game with eight players from the second team on the pitch and were beaten 5-4 on penalties after a 2-2 draw."

And he kind of gets where we are at the moment as well:

“You can either make a bit of money and sell players, stay a stable club in Ligue 1 where we finish between eighth and 12th, or you decide to really push on, keep your best players, do that for a year or two, get into European competitions, and make your money.” The club is left at a strategic crossroads.

29 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

To add some more context so it avoids looking like the intended purpose, Ipswich haven't been great at home of late. 

Just about beat Rotherham 4-3

It was 1-1 with Brum up til the 80th min

Got a late equaliser v West Brom

Lost to Maidstone

Beat Sunderland having been 1 nil down

Drew against QPR

Having looked at Ipswichs home record this season it certainly seems like it's been entertaining! Obviously I didn't go to any of those games and the only one I watched was the Maidstone game but considering their home record I call BS on claims we were the most well organised side there this season. 

We were organised until we wasn't. I personally don't get too excited about the fact we went to a newly promoted side away and shut up shop. It's a sad day when people are happy with that. 

Whilst you're trying to frame this as 'Ipswich fans think Manning is a tactical genius' did we really set up any differently to games such as Leicester and Leeds away? We simply played a system that this squad has played before LM was here so maybe its infact Mr Pearson that Ipswich fans would like? 

Just saying. 

Just the 4 wins and 2 draws at home in the last 6 then for them.

Not great - I'd take a bit of being not great in that case then!

His control AND shot for the goal were both pretty awful I thought, but I admired the fact he was looking to get forward and take players on. That's what allowed it to happen and it was well deserved imo. Also a good bit of skill to make space for his shot from range - not too many others would have done that.

A better performance overall going forward I agree.

Just now, Ziderarmy said:

Over 46 games thats gives us an extra 0.23 points so we’ll round that down sunny boy

That's not how rounding numbers works.

We can also tell this because you didn't round the win percentage correctly either  Mathematical masterpiece next time instead maybe?

Manning said pre-match that Pring wasn't 100%, and even the Sky commentators said Burns would come on before the end. We needed some kind of mitigation/plan there, and didn't really see it.

7/10 is probably fair I think though

1 minute ago, Ziderarmy said:

Why thankyou, postive responses like this make the effort I put into this mathematical masterpiece worthwhile. I’ll continue you’ll be pleased to know. 

PPG is 1.095 which should be rounded up to 1.1

Christ almighty we didn't just lose to Man City in the cup or something, we lost to a team who only got promoted from League 1 last year and soon won't even be able to see us in their rear view mirror.

"We gave it a real go"...

Well done to Ipswich tbh

Ipswich third: https://streamin.one/v/2363c589

Awful pen, well done Max

1 minute ago, reddoc said:

Vyner is a simpleton. Good footballer , no brain.

Luckily we've got him at centre back rather than working on Fermat's Last Theroem then

Ipswich second: https://streamin.one/v/57b12c19

Just now, Banjo Island said:

Come on city please hang on please

brother why would you say that

HAHAHAHAHAHHA oh ffs

City second (Conway): https://streamin.one/v/8c89f491

Hahahahahahah

:laugh: who is this Mehmeti guy

Just now, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

In 2017 BT has about as much influence on who got sold as the tea lady. He was pretty much derided by most on here- not good enough etc.

Agreed. There are enough sticks lying around to beat the club with at the moment - trying to find a "We should have held on to Wes Burns" one is ridiculous.

Ipswich goal: https://streamin.one/v/326eed76

2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Great goal. Nice to have a player willing to drive into the box, and with the ability to beat 2 players. Earns a bit of fortune with the deflection from his positive play.

Yeah it was great to see his drive forward. It's funny because his first touch was actually awful, and so was the shot - but the positive play won it as you said.

City goal (Mehmeti): https://streamin.one/v/f271362d

3 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Effort - Yes

One decent cross.

But what is he - He’s been here a year and I can’t still work it out.

I'll tell you what he's not - he's not a striker, they score goals