NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 They also offered all local traders positions in the store in their relevant fields, i.e. the butcher on the meat counter and pledged to employ 80% of all staff (including the same proportion of management) from with 3 miles of the store; a boost to an area of high unemployment Lots of points could be made in response to your post so just one at random re the above. Tesco would need a butcher on their meat counter so theyre not exactly acting out of the kindness of their hearts by offering the local butcher a job, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Lots of points could be made in response to your post so just one at random re the above. Tesco would need a butcher on their meat counter so theyre not exactly acting out of the kindness of their hearts by offering the local butcher a job, are they? I never for a minute tried to claim it was entirely selfless act. In fact, the whole gist of that part of the post was about the 'TESNO' people trying to make the development work for them a bit more Next of your many points please (now that you've had a chance to have a good look on google) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I never for a minute tried to claim it was entirely selfless act. In fact, the whole gist of that part of the post was about the 'TESNO' people trying to make the development work for them a bit more Next of your many points please (now that you've had a chance to have a good look on google) Hmm, yes, but the overall tone seemed to be also the selfless acts, as you put it. Anyway, next point, if you like. What's your name and where do you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I have nothing against the Green Party or it's members but wish they were a bit more upfront about why they oppose the Ashton Gate plans. They portray the campaign as one of saving the community (But only part of it). Is it because they can't stand Tesco, I think so. Sign here to support city being upfront about the plans? the green party are quite upfront about their policies. Quite why you think it is wrong for the bristol green party to get involved in such a serious local issue is baffling. You, however, dress your lame arguement about tesco being good for the shoppers of portbury - yet all you are really interested in is hawking the land ashton gate is built on to the higgest bidder. why weren't you more upfront in your petition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Just as a titbit of information, for anyone that's interested. I happened to be in the Bishopsworth/Knowle/Brislington/Hengrove areas yesterday evening, and thought I would buy some wine and also some non-essentials - fruit, vegetables, toothpaste etc. It was about 9pm and I couldnt make my mind up between Sainsburys Brislington, Tesco Hengrove, Asda Whitchurch, or one of the many Tesco Express, Co-op, Cosctcutter, Spar etc in the area. Or make a dash for Victoria Wines and leave the non-essentials till the morning. In the end I opted for Tesco Hengrove, (traitor to the cause that I am, though purely in the name of research) and as you may imagine I was certainly relieved to have the choice. Not as much choice once inside as I was hoping for though. Because, noticing that it was the 24 hour facility that the whole of South Bristol craves, I decided to visit the meat counter. Which was closed!!! As was the cheese and delicacies. The irony. I did however console myself with a purchase of 6 pack Heinz Baked Beanz. Yes, I know I wasnt going to actually eat any of them for maybe a couple of weeks, but the thrill of making this acquisition outside of normal shopping hours was just too great to resist. I should also mention that, this being my first visit to a Tesco store for several years, I did notice there is a very impressive looking row of recycling bins alongside the car park. Though on the downside again, I saw no evidence of any community facility whatsoever, which makes perfect sense. Has anybody noticed how downbeat and miserable the citizens of Hengrove are? Luckily, for the residents of Ashton and Bedminster, not to mention Flax Bourton, the Chew Valley, and Shirehampton, I hear Tescos have learnt from this planning oversight. Finally, I would estimate the ratio of staff to customer at 1:1, though I have no idea whatsoever if there is any significance to this statistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Just to be picky, Tesco is in Brislington. Asda Whitchurch keep their counters open til 10pm, which tend to have alot of reduced items at this time of night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Not as much choice once inside as I was hoping for though. Because, noticing that it was the 24 hour facility that the whole of South Bristol craves, I decided to visit the meat counter. Which was closed!!! As was the cheese and delicacies. The irony. What!!!! Do you mean to say they had no meat, fish, cheese or cold meats in the chill counters? I find that somewhat hard to believe. What a ridiculous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 What!!!! Do you mean to say they had no meat, fish, cheese or cold meats in the chill counters? I find that somewhat hard to believe. What a ridiculous post. I didn't mention fish, I wasnt after any so I didnt look. Yes, ridiculous. I'll probably wake up tomorrow and realise it was all a bad dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I didn't mention fish, I wasnt after any so I didnt look. Yes, ridiculous. I'll probably wake up tomorrow and realise it was all a bad dream. And did they have meat, cheese and cold meat in the chill counters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 And did they have meat, cheese and cold meat in the chill counters? Yes. I didn't say they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Nick, can I kindly ask as to why you do not like Tesco? MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Nick, can I kindly ask as to why you do not like Tesco? MM Well since you asked kindly. I've got nothing particularly against Tesco, though I do think in general the large superstores have some things in their favour and a lot against, as alluded to. The very original reply was in response to the ridiculous claims made in support of Tesco, to provide some balance, and the posts thereafter a combination of stubbornness not to lose an 'argument', something to do between waiting for other things I'm doing, loosely speaking green considerations, and a warped sense of poor humour. What do you have against housing? (Keep that as a private joke if you like). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Yes. I didn't say they didn't. No, but the impression you were trying to give was that meat and deli products were unavailable which, of course, they weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 being upfront about the plans? the green party are quite upfront about their policies. Quite why you think it is wrong for the bristol green party to get involved in such a serious local issue is baffling. You, however, dress your lame arguement about tesco being good for the shoppers of portbury - yet all you are really interested in is hawking the land ashton gate is built on to the higgest bidder. why weren't you more upfront in your petition? F B I don't think it is wrong for the green party to get involved in this issue. It just seems to have a hidden agenda. The petition which was started by councillor Charlie Bolton of the green party, is in support of the BERATE group, green party members have been to the fore in this campaign. This group is portraying itself as the voice of greater bedminster and Southville. In my dealings with the green party and berate members in this debate they have claimed that the majority of residents oppose this planning application for a new store. On doing a few sums with the figures they willingly gave as supporting evidence , it transpires that only twelve hundred people local to the area have signed the petition. This equates to six percent of the population of the area they claim to speak for (hardly a vast majority). There are about twenty thousand residents in Bedminster and Southville, so it could be argued that ninety four percent are not opposed to the plans, now that is a vast majority. Now given that Berate are the voice of Greater bedminster and Southville, championing the cause for local shops and businesses it seems hypocritical to then focus your support around the area of North St, between the Hen and Chicken and Ashton park whilst ommiting the vast majority of the area from their actual support. They started their march there, they made their film there, they have their petition there, they hold their meetings there and they have their poster campaign there. All of which alienates them from the so called Greater Bedminster and Southville area they claim to represent. That is why I don't think they are being honest in their support of this campaign. My petition is very upfront as to what it wants to happen, it is to give further choice to people, though not as you say in portbury (they can use it as well if they want). Perhaps you should try reading it. My position has remained constant throughout this debate, unfortunately the people in opposition to this plan started by claiming they were helping the whole area but are really only concerned with the afforementioned area where they eat their panninis' and drink latte whilst plotting their next campaign move. (wait for the generalisation comments). Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 No, but the impression you were trying to give was that meat and deli products were unavailable which, of course, they weren't. You had to read it back several times, didnt you? Laughable really isnt it. But as a point of order the reason I gave the impression it was unavailable because it was, indeed unavailable. You haven't asked why not. If its that important to you I could ask Tesco if they can produce some CCTV evidence. So there we are. The whole future of a superstore, the community spirit of South Bristol, Bristol's recycling credentials, the New Tesco Stadium, Bristol's 2018 World Cup bid, and the economic wellbeing of the whole of the South West for the next generation, all hinges on whether cold meat and cheese was available at Tesco Hengrove/Brislington yesterday evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 F B I don't think it is wrong for the green party to get involved in this issue. It just seems to have a hidden agenda. The petition which was started by councillor Charlie Bolton of the green party, is in support of the BERATE group, green party members have been to the fore in this campaign. This group is portraying itself as the voice of greater bedminster and Southville. In my dealings with the green party and berate members in this debate they have claimed that the majority of residents oppose this planning application for a new store. On doing a few sums with the figures they willingly gave as supporting evidence , it transpires that only twelve hundred people local to the area have signed the petition. This equates to six percent of the population of the area they claim to speak for (hardly a vast majority). There are about twenty thousand residents in Bedminster and Southville, so it could be argued that ninety four percent are not opposed to the plans, now that is a vast majority. Now given that Berate are the voice of Greater bedminster and Southville, championing the cause for local shops and businesses it seems hypocritical to then focus your support around the area of North St, between the Hen and Chicken and Ashton park whilst ommiting the vast majority of the area from their actual support. They started their march there, they made their film there, they have their petition there, they hold their meetings there and they have their poster campaign there. All of which alienates them from the so called Greater Bedminster and Southville area they claim to represent. That is why I don't think they are being honest in their support of this campaign. My petition is very upfront as to what it wants to happen, it is to give further choice to people, though not as you say in portbury (they can use it as well if they want). Perhaps you should try reading it. My position has remained constant throughout this debate, unfortunately the people in opposition to this plan started by claiming they were helping the whole area but are really only concerned with the afforementioned area where they eat their panninis' and drink latte whilst plotting their next campaign move. (wait for the generalisation comments). Rich i have read it yes you did mention portway not portbury here it is in its entirety again At present the provision of supermarkets on the edge of south Bristol is insufficient to satisfy present demand and with population increases expected future demand. By allowing this development the pressure on inner city roads around the bedminster Bridge area will be reduced. It will also give an alternative choice of shopping to people from outlying areas such as Avonmouth the portway and Shirehampton other than Cribbs causeway where did you get your data about insufficient supply of supermarkets in south bristol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 You had to read it back several times, didnt you? Laughable really isnt it. But as a point of order the reason I gave the impression it was unavailable because it was, indeed unavailable. You haven't asked why not. If its that important to you I could ask Tesco if they can produce some CCTV evidence. So there we are. The whole future of a superstore, the community spirit of South Bristol, Bristol's recycling credentials, the New Tesco Stadium, Bristol's 2018 World Cup bid, and the economic wellbeing of the whole of the South West for the next generation, all hinges on whether cold meat and cheese was available at Tesco Hengrove/Brislington yesterday evening. Cheddar Valley going down well tonight then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Cheddar Valley going down well tonight then? Havent started yet, finished 5-a-side at 10, just about to start now. Let you know how it was when I get back later - dont wait up. Or I may pop over to see if the Tesco cheese counter is open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 i have read it yes you did mention portway not portbury here it is in its entirety again where did you get your data about insufficient supply of supermarkets in south bristol? FB The population of the country and the Bristol area is increasing. To satisfy the needs of this increased population extra retail space will be needed to prevent overcrowded existing outlets and the infrastructure around them as happens regularly at Cribbs causway. It is proposed that a new town with the population of Bedminster and Southville combined will be built in ashton vale to cope with some of this population increase. They alone will need somewhere to shop. Sainsbury want to increase the size of their existing store and Tesco want to open one. If there were no demand to call on why would they want to open? Figures to back up the claim for a demand will be submitted to the planners by the applicants. If you don't agree, please supply current data to prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 FB The population of the country and the Bristol area is increasing. To satisfy the needs of this increased population extra retail space will be needed to prevent overcrowded existing outlets and the infrastructure around them as happens regularly at Cribbs causway. It is proposed that a new town with the population of Bedminster and Southville combined will be built in ashton vale to cope with some of this population increase. They alone will need somewhere to shop. Sainsbury want to increase the size of their existing store and Tesco want to open one. If there were no demand to call on why would they want to open? Figures to back up the claim for a demand will be submitted to the planners by the applicants. If you don't agree, please supply current data to prove otherwise. in other words you made that bit up estimates don't prove anything as they are not data albeit your malthusian predictions for ashton vale will have many local residents concerned that they may fall victim to famine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 What do you have against housing? (Keep that as a private joke if you like). Yes thank you Nick! However, one person that is also against housing mentioned the lack of Doctors, schools, hospitals (yes indeed), and lets not forget transport. If housing was built, rush hour traffic in BS3 would increase. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 estimates don't prove anything as they are not data OK, but Berate are concerned about the ESTIMATED amount of extra traffic on the roads if Tescos is built!! So I shall say to Mr Bolton, estimates don't prove anything as they are not data. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 in other words you made that bit up estimates don't prove anything as they are not data albeit your malthusian predictions for ashton vale will have many local residents concerned that they may fall victim to famine You use estimates to disprove the need for a store. Give me the proof it is not needed and don't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiling Dave Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 My petition is very upfront as to what it wants to happen, it is to give further choice to people Really? Nothing to do with BCFC then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiling Dave Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 They also offered all local traders positions in the store in their relevant fields, i.e. the butcher on the meat counter Why would they need to do that? Tesco doesn't put local traders out of business, surely?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Really? Nothing to do with BCFC then? I was honest when Berate asked me this question and said it's both. I want the best for BCFC and also the choice for my family. Tescos offer us an alternative in BS3. I prefer Tesco over any of the other major stores tbh. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiling Dave Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Secondly, have any of the TESNO types considered the effects of an extra 200-300 houses being built in their nieghbourhood? Increased pressure on infrastructure, public transport, education and health care. Which is why the original plan included infrastructure improvement, including a replacement school for the already too small Ashton Gate Primary, and other facilities of rather more value to the community than a big shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiling Dave Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I was honest when Berate asked me this question and said it's both. I want the best for BCFC and also the choice for my family. Tescos offer us an alternative in BS3. I prefer Tesco over any of the other major stores tbh. MM MM - Like you, I have no particular aversion to Tesco. But I was actually addressing my question to Rich, who implied that his petition was only about the Holy Grail of freedom of choice between Asda, Sainsbury's and Tesco. Just wondering if that was entirely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Hmm, yes, but the overall tone seemed to be also the selfless acts, as you put it. Anyway, next point, if you like. What's your name and where do you live? Why do you want to know my name and where i live? Are you going to hunt me down and beat me to death with your socialist ideals?! My name is Dan and i live in Leeds. As i stated in my original post, i haven't lived in Bristol for a considerable period of time and don't want to pretend i have any right to tell you how you feel about a major development in your backyard, but i'm trying to add a bit of balance to the liberal media view point on Tesco's, which seems to portray them as some kind of supermarket of the devil. Having had (limited) professional involvement with them i can confirm that they are ruthless and occasionally mean spirited and are only interested in making as much money as possible. BUT, they are more prepared than a lot of similar developers to agree to planning conditions and Section 106 agreements. As i said before, perhaps BERATE and TESNO should think about what they can negotiate for the good of the area rather than how they can stop the development because if Tesco, BCFC and enough of the Council want it to happen i'm afraid it will happen At the end of the day i admit to the selfish motives of wanting whats best for the club; that's my perogative as someone who doesn't live in the area. Your perogative as 'Outraged of Southville' is to opppose it. I wish you the best of luck but as things stand i hope you lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 MM - Like you, I have no particular aversion to Tesco. But I was actually addressing my question to Rich, who implied that his petition was only about the Holy Grail of freedom of choice between Asda, Sainsbury's and Tesco. Just wondering if that was entirely true. I know, I hijacked the question As for Schools, Ashton Vale Primary is practically full, thats where my kids go, Ashton Park Secondary is being modernised and made 'bigger' from my understanding, but not big enough to accomodated 100's of new housing. Hartcliffe School is going through the same transition as Ashton Park and a new school is earmarked for Hengrove along with a new Hospital. Nothing has progressed with this but if the 9,500 'new town' is built near Ashton Vale, then it's simple, we will suffocate unless something is done about new schools, doctors, dentists and the new hospital. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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