Say Yes To Tesco

[madmax]

Sorry if I'm being slow but no I dont.

Who is it?

And whoever it is, I'm trying to understand why you think (as you seem to do) that his views are less valid because of who it is.

As for your explanation, fair enough, my comment would be, you do all your fresh shop in specialist small local shops. Which mainly just leaves the staple basics, which you can buy anywhere, including Sainsbury Winterstoke Road. My wife shops there, I go too ocassionally, we've never noticed stocks to be that deplete. I mean it's not exactly like Africa or the Soviet Union, is it?

The UK apparently has a housing shortage, which is why for example the area from the Kings Head down to Long Ashton is earmarked to be concreted over in the next few years.

Instead of an unnecessary store, housing could be built instead, thus alleviating some of the requirement to continually build over the countryside.

Well try going there on a Monday evening around 7:30pm. No, it's not Africa or the Soviet Union, I can't comment as I never been to Sainsburys in these Countrys.

I never have wanted housing on AG and was ready to object with what was going to be built there. I have personal reasons for this and refuse to comment publically as to why, but I would rather a trade park or supermarket.

MM

[NickJ]

Nick

Heres one for you and please answer it with a one word answer yes or no.

If this were any other proposed retail development other than Tesco would you still oppose it?

Cheers

Rich

Yes.

[madmax]

Yes.

I asked my neighbour the same. I said would you welcome a trade park with Matalan, Primark, M & S, etc... "Oh yes"

MM

[bcfcbs20]

this thread is getting a bit jeremy kyle

[Smiling Dave]

this thread is getting a bit jeremy kyle

Sadly, it's becoming rather more repetitive than that... But it's also becoming quietly intriguing... Just who is the masked Christof? And what objections to a housing development could possibly be too embarrassing to be stated publicly??

[charliebolton]

Hi Christof or should I say Charlie

I tried to PM you but surprise surprise it's switched off.

Just to say have a nice time on your walk through the Ashton Strip (if you're going) which used to have more shops until the bars and cafes started taking over.

In your capacity could you start a campaign to improve the parking and crossing facilities in North St to make it a better shopping environment, with possibly some traffic calming measures put in place for when I visit the area, which is very frequent.

Regards

Rich That's Rich as in Richard Lane.

Sorry, guys.

Definitely not me.

Happy to discuss the way in which the Aldi car park planning consent never included provsion for users of North St, or the campaign for a crossing over North St, but probably best not on here

Charlie That's Charlie as in Charlie Bolton

[bcfcbs20]

Sadly, it's becoming rather more repetitive than that... But it's also becoming quietly intriguing... Just who is the masked Christof? And what objections to a housing development could possibly be too embarrassing to be stated publicly??

[Smiling Dave]

Sadly, it's becoming rather more repetitive than that... But it's also becoming quietly intriguing... Just who is the masked Christof? And what objections to a housing development could possibly be too embarrassing to be stated publicly??

"Christof" is an anagram of "RICH soft" - could City's favourite "Yes" man be arguing with himself?? I think we should be told...

[Flaxbourton Red]

Sorry, guys.

Definitely not me.

Happy to discuss the way in which the Aldi car park planning consent never included provsion for users of North St, or the campaign for a crossing over North St, but probably best not on here

Charlie That's Charlie as in Charlie Bolton

rich scores an own goal

[Slave to the rhythm]

"Christof" is an anagram of "RICH soft" - could City's favourite "Yes" man be arguing with himself?? I think we should be told...

Love it!

There's nothing new in inventing an imaginary enemy in order to justify your own position............governments have been doing that sort of thing for decades.

Something along those lines may have happened eight years ago today.

[charliebolton]

Sorry, guys.

Definitely not me.

Happy to discuss the way in which the Aldi car park planning consent never included provsion for users of North St, or the campaign for a crossing over North St, but probably best not on here

Charlie That's Charlie as in Charlie Bolton

I'll make one more comment and then get 'off your forum'.

As an elected politician, I pretty much accept all the flak I get. I certainly deserve some of it. I don't like some of it, but it serves me right for standing in the first place. You can write to me at the council house, email me (charles.bolton@bristol.gov.uk), have a pop at me on my blog, or in the media. I'm fair game.

People who aren't - well, if they choose to name themselves, well, fair play to them. If they don't, be it posters on here, on my or other blogs, I don't think you can seriously subject them to the same level of scrutiny as we politicians both get and deserve. So if someone wishes to remain anonymous, so be it.

Anyway, as a Chelsea fan, I feel a bit of a fraud participating in this forum (a bit too red for me), so I'll leave it there.

Charlie Bolton

[Flaxbourton Red]

This is probably one of those intelectually challenging posts Nick J refers to.

What is intellectually challanging is the gap under your name on the petition. Shouldn't this have some reference to an area in South Bristol?

[Rich]

What is intellectually challanging is the gap under your name on the petition. Shouldn't this have some reference to an area in South Bristol?

Sorry FB but what on earth are you on about, or more likely on?

As for own goals I won't be the first or last. You keep piping up with the little one liners it's less risky.

And while we're at it What part of Flax Bourton is it you live?

[Rich]

Love it!

There's nothing new in inventing an imaginary enemy in order to justify your own position............governments have been doing that sort of thing for decades.

Something along those lines may have happened eight years ago today.

That's a fine theory but flawed slightly by the content in Christof's posts which contain far too many figures for my liking.

[Flaxbourton Red]

Sorry FB but what on earth are you on about, or more likely on?

As for own goals I won't be the first or last. You keep piping up with the little one liners it's less risky.

And while we're at it What part of Flax Bourton is it you live?

I'm tweaking whilst on methamphetamine in South Central Flax Bourton, the great metropolis that it is.

[Rich]

I'm tweaking whilst on methamphetamine in South Central Flax Bourton, the great metropolis that it is.

Have a nice trip.

[Olé]

There is a 'Public Juggernaut' on Saturday September 12th organised by Berate at 11:00am starting at North Street Green oposite Hen and Chicken pub. Though you all might like to know this, use this public information as you wish.

I just saw a poster about this on North Street this morning, how funny they choose when we're all in Coventry, give the impression of no opposition to their view in the area, I suppose they didn't fancy standing up for their view on a home match day (tongue in cheek, I don't blame them, they probably wouldn't have been able to protest in peace, but still, convenient choice of time instead...)

I'm not trying to perpetuate the argument by the way, I'm not fiercely aligned with either view, just found it funny the choice of timing by one side.

[madmax]

I just saw a poster about this on North Street this morning, how funny they choose when we're all in Coventry, give the impression of no opposition to their view in the area, I suppose they didn't fancy standing up for their view on a home match day (tongue in cheek, I don't blame them, they probably wouldn't have been able to protest in peace, but still, convenient choice of time instead...)

I'm not trying to perpetuate the argument by the way, I'm not fiercely aligned with either view, just found it funny the choice of timing by one side.

A pressure group that doesn't like confrontation.

MM

[madmax]

I'll make one more comment and then get 'off your forum'.

As an elected politician, I pretty much accept all the flak I get. I certainly deserve some of it. I don't like some of it, but it serves me right for standing in the first place. You can write to me at the council house, email me (charles.bolton@bristol.gov.uk), have a pop at me on my blog, or in the media. I'm fair game.

People who aren't - well, if they choose to name themselves, well, fair play to them. If they don't, be it posters on here, on my or other blogs, I don't think you can seriously subject them to the same level of scrutiny as we politicians both get and deserve. So if someone wishes to remain anonymous, so be it.

Anyway, as a Chelsea fan, I feel a bit of a fraud participating in this forum (a bit too red for me), so I'll leave it there.

Charlie Bolton

All worked out well for all in the end eh Charles?

MM

[Olé]

I'm on North Street right now waiting for my mate and practically every shop has huge hand painted banners in the windows saying "CLOSING DOWN" with the odd "TESNO" to prove it's a publicity stunt. They're really giving it a go.

[Dollymarie]

I'm on North Street right now waiting for my mate and practically every shop has huge hand painted banners in the windows saying "CLOSING DOWN" with the odd "TESNO" to prove it's a publicity stunt. They're really giving it a go.

Just get you and your mate to start up a good old "Red Army" chant, and then run like mad when you attract too much attention.

[madmax]

I'm on North Street right now waiting for my mate and practically every shop has huge hand painted banners in the windows saying "CLOSING DOWN" with the odd "TESNO" to prove it's a publicity stunt. They're really giving it a go.

Blimey, closing down before Tescos even built! Shocking!

MM

[Rich]

A rally is taking place next Saturday 19th September at Ashton Gate stadium.

Prior to the rally people will march through North St stopping in shops to buy goods, going into pubs buying drinks, going into cafe's to buy meals, chip shops for chips and suchlike etc etc and do the things in North St that city fans have been doing for a hundred years or more.

We will then hold the rally for about two hours and then return to North St and proceed to spend a little more time and money as we did prior to the rally in the various establishments, those that want to take advantage of the extra people about and can be bothered to stay open that is.

It is proposed that people should wear brightly coloured clothing, flags, scarves etc and turn up at about 11 am and leave late (not compulsory).

The e-petition has slowed down for some reason (I'm probably boring people) can we get it going again?

[Smiling Dave]

A rally is taking place next Saturday 19th September at Ashton Gate stadium.

Prior to the rally people will march through North St stopping in shops to buy goods, going into pubs buying drinks, going into cafe's to buy meals, chip shops for chips and suchlike etc etc and do the things in North St that city fans have been doing for a hundred years or more.

We will then hold the rally for about two hours and then return to North St and proceed to spend a little more time and money as we did prior to the rally in the various establishments, those that want to take advantage of the extra people about and can be bothered to stay open that is.

Rich,

Haven't you shot yourself in the foot a bit this time? If I've understood, you're making the valid point that match days are good for North St trade, and obviously you're right, but surely that won't be the case when we've moved? I'm afraid North St will lose that match day buzz. Not that I'm against the move (although after Saturday's visit to the soulless Ricoh, I'm beginning to wonder), but I don't think there's any way that it'll be good for North St (Tesco or no Tesco).

Dave.

[Laner]

Blimey, closing down before Tescos even built! Shocking!

MM

So it's got nothing to do with Tesco arriving then?! Brilliant!

[madmax]

Rich,

Haven't you shot yourself in the foot a bit this time? If I've understood, you're making the valid point that match days are good for North St trade, and obviously you're right, but surely that won't be the case when we've moved? I'm afraid North St will lose that match day buzz. Not that I'm against the move (although after Saturday's visit to the soulless Ricoh, I'm beginning to wonder), but I don't think there's any way that it'll be good for North St (Tesco or no Tesco).

Dave.

Dave,

The distance from current Ashton Gate to new Ground is minimal and takes aound 10 minutes to walk. I think many people won't change their habits on match days as the drinking holes around the new ground consist of....well, nothing apart from the Dove Cote over the otherside of the dual carriageway.

What may suffer is the Miners and possibly Three Lions, but thats if people decide the walk is just to much, some will continue on a match day.

If we moved to severnside for example, I would then expect match days to be totally different in Ashton.

MM

[Rich]

Dave,

The distance from current Ashton Gate to new Ground is minimal and takes aound 10 minutes to walk. I think many people won't change their habits on match days as the drinking holes around the new ground consist of....well, nothing apart from the Dove Cote over the otherside of the dual carriageway.

What may suffer is the Miners and possibly Three Lions, but thats if people decide the walk is just to much, some will continue on a match day.

If we moved to severnside for example, I would then expect match days to be totally different in Ashton.

MM

Thanks for pointing that out MM, I don't think the miners or three lions will suffer as there will be different routes for pedestrians.

Dave as for North St losing out I can't see it, and did think of this before posting.

There is no other area close enough to offer the same facilities that can be found in North St and people will use the pedestrian access roads by Bryan bros and Silbury Rd after walking along Smyth Rd and or Raliegh Rd, instead of North St and Ashton Rd, a little further possibly but not a massive distance.

They will still need to park in the area as well.

So no my feet are in fine fettle thanks.

[Rich]

If anyone was confused about BERATE and their support for the local shops/ businesses in the area and the threat of Tesco coming to close them down, then think on this.

They don't seem to concern themselves with any shops/traders elsewhere in the area, other than those in the section between the Hen and Chicken and Ashton Gate.

This is proven by their decision to ignore shops further down North St when starting their juggernaut march at what they lovingly term North St green ie: the old bomb site where people take their dogs for a shyte and the daytime drinkers congregate.

Why omit the rest of North St?

And why is so much of their support coming from the evergreen streets of southville, with not so much from Ashton gate

which is the only area directly affected by the Tesco plans.

Could it be the number of green party supporters living in Southville as opposed to Ashton who are driving this campaign.

I have nothing against the Green Party or it's members but wish they were a bit more upfront about why they oppose the Ashton Gate plans. They portray the campaign as one of saving the community (But only part of it).

Is it because they can't stand Tesco, I think so.

Sign here to support city and the clubs plans.

http://epetitions.bristol.gov.uk/petition.php?id=264

[icamanicity]

They debating Ashton Gate, Tesco, on radio Bristol this morning asking people to phone and state whether they are for or against another supermarket..

[chipdawg]

Hi peeps, long time reader first time poster. Any of you who've spent time on the 606 forum may have encountered me

Firstly, i want to say that i don't live in Bristol and haven't for about 25 years so i don't think it would be appropriate for me sign any petitions for or against, but i do think i can offer a less..... emotive view on all this. I want the sale of Ashton Gate to represent the best possible deal for Bristol City Football Club

I regularly dabble in planning issues through my job for a local Council and several points have been missed and several figures misleadingly quoted by those on the 'against' side

Firstly, the '7 million vehicle movements' issue, as stated by an earlier poster is an arbitrary and baseless figure. This will have been calculated as a worst case scenario using the TEMPRO traffic model and DFT traffic projections. TEMPRO is notorious for overestimation and DFT data has been somewhat skewed in recent years by the fluctuating economic situation. So the statement about 'Standing next to the M5 for 7 weeks', in itself an arbitrary and misleading statement, is a falacy

Secondly, have any of the TESNO types considered the effects of an extra 200-300 houses being built in their nieghbourhood? Increased pressure on infrastructure, public transport, education and health care. It is very rare that these things are adequately accounted for during planning consultations (for example, Ingleby Barwick in Teeside is Europes' largest council estate yet had to wait 8 years (i think) from completion of the housing stage to get a primary school) and so while the extra housing may help local businesses thrive, it may not be so kind to your children or grandparents. There is also the issues of the kind of housing to be built; certain grades of housing (those which the Council would be most keen on) may create issues with anti-social behaviour and the such-like. That, however, is speculation at this point.

There also seems to be a problem with Tesco themselves. Tesco's planners are nasty, coniving schemers (alledgedly!) who are exceptionally good at their jobs. Whenever Tesco get a foot in the door (as here) they tend to get their store built. So perhaps attention needs to be turned to what Tesco can give in return. At the Seacroft store in north Leeds, Tesco built a new store which included a bus interchange, improving transport links to a rather impovershed area of the City. They also offered all local traders positions in the store in their relevant fields, i.e. the butcher on the meat counter and pledged to employ 80% of all staff (including the same proportion of management) from with 3 miles of the store; a boost to an area of high unemployment

Tesco are no saints but perhaps not as bad as you think. And the housing solution is not without its pitfalls. At the end of the day if 1200 are prepared to sign a petition those people should be capable of keeping local shops open with their custom. I suspect that this planning application will be accepted and the Tesco store built. Perhaps Berate and their associates should start thinking about how they can make it work better for them than how they can stop it

Thanks for listening