Say Yes To Tesco

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

A quick point.

A couple of posts on here have suggested that BERATE is run by the Green Party, or somesuch.

While I would love this to be true, it isn't (probably beyond our organisational skills).

In fact, the one BERATE meeting I attended had more ex-Labour councillors than Green Party people in attendance (but far more of no political affiliation)

Charlie Bolton

Charlie,

Appreciate you coming on here but I have one question out of interest really. What are your views on the new stadium proposal? Do you back it, oppose it or have no interest?

Just interested like.

AJ

[tompo]

[Webzcas]

Signed

936 Yes

868 No

[icamanicity]

1002 Say yes, no`s 869, Well done community reds....

[icamanicity]

I see we have moved up to 1147 as opposed to 873, well done people, keep it going, nine more days our petition runs for, if you hav`nt signed, now is good time, double theirs

would be good...

[NickJ]

[NickJ]

We can all spend hours trolling the depths of the internet to find figures somewhere to substantiate

a point, I don't have the time to spend on trivialities.

.............................

With comments like that and your collusions with the other country bumpkin from Flax Bourton

The best man has won. As you kept saying look up bohemianism on the internet it's easy to do.

Over.

Trivialties such as ensuring statements sold as "facts" are indeed facts for instance?

Ive never met Flax Bourton to my knowledge, and therefore refute the collusion charge, but not necessarily the country bumpkin one.

Having read many of his posts - politically incorrect as they may ocassionally be - I can assure you that they present a far greater intellectual challenge than yours.

I believe that a greater number of Southville and Bedminster inhabitants display bohemian lifestyle tendencies than, say, the residents of Whitchurch or Bradley Stoke, however I fear we may be drifting away from the point.

Which is that if asked, an overwhelming majority of people living within 10 minutes of Ashton Gate couldnt give a **** whether they have a 24/7 Tesco on their doorstep, and that it is, therefore, unnecessary.

[WhistleHappy]

Trivialties such as ensuring statements sold as "facts" are indeed facts for instance?

Ive never met Flax Bourton to my knowledge, and therefore refute the collusion charge, but not necessarily the country bumpkin one.

Having read many of his posts - politically incorrect as they may ocassionally be - I can assure you that they present a far greater intellectual challenge than yours.

I believe that a greater number of Southville and Bedminster inhabitants display bohemian lifestyle tendencies than, say, the residents of Whitchurch or Bradley Stoke, however I fear we may be drifting away from the point.

Which is that if asked, an overwhelming majority of people living within 10 minutes of Ashton Gate couldnt give a **** whether they have a 24/7 Tesco on their doorstep, and that it is, therefore, unnecessary.

Before going further I've got to admit I've not read everything in this thread (far from it) only snippets here & there, little bits 'n bobs etc... so excuse me for 'butting in' on a thread the details of which I know little about...

However the two highlighted statements above, (reproduced here) :

1).. 'Trivialties such as ensuring statements sold as "facts" are indeed facts for instance?'

&

2).. 'if asked, an overwhelming majority of people living within 10 minutes of Ashton Gate couldnt give a **** whether they have a 24/7 Tesco on their doorstep, and that it is, therefore, unnecessary.'

It makes me wonder if double/standards are in evidence here?...

How do you know that if asked the overwhelming majority of people in the said area would be of the view you would have us believe? ... you're not selling us a fact that may not actually be fact are you?..

(unless of course you have asked the question of the people you refer to & received replies from the majority of them to that effect).

[Rich]

Trivialties such as ensuring statements sold as "facts" are indeed facts for instance?

Ive never met Flax Bourton to my knowledge, and therefore refute the collusion charge, but not necessarily the country bumpkin one.

Having read many of his posts - politically incorrect as they may ocassionally be - I can assure you that they present a far greater intellectual challenge than yours.

I believe that a greater number of Southville and Bedminster inhabitants display bohemian lifestyle tendencies than, say, the residents of Whitchurch or Bradley Stoke, however I fear we may be drifting away from the point.

Which is that if asked, an overwhelming majority of people living within 10 minutes of Ashton Gate couldnt give a **** whether they have a 24/7 Tesco on their doorstep, and that it is, therefore, unnecessary.

Hi Nick

I don't think you need to have met someone to collude with them, or is that me being unintelletual again.

Having toured the streets of bohemian Ashton as you describe it, your statement about the overwhelming majority

doesn't appear to be very factual, could you please tell me where you get the information about the vast majority of residents. (I tried to google it)

I have toured the area, Southville has a maximum of 20% support (shown by posters) and the area around the ground

no more than 30 posters in the hundreds of houses bordering the ground.

I know this is not scientific but is more accurate than making bold statements about majorities.

According to the Berate people all residents in the area were asked to oppose the Tesco plans and show their support by putting up posters objecting to the development.

It would appear the majority (as you claim) have not put posters up so might not support the campaign.

Coming from a person with such obvious brow bursting genius it does seem rather a reckless statement.

Were you away?

[Flaxbourton Red]

Hi Nick

I don't think you need to have met someone to collude with them, or is that me being unintelletual again.

Having toured the streets of bohemian Ashton as you describe it, your statement about the overwhelming majority

doesn't appear to be very factual, could you please tell me where you get the information about the vast majority of residents. (I tried to google it)

I have toured the area, Southville has a maximum of 20% support (shown by posters) and the area around the ground

no more than 30 posters in the hundreds of houses bordering the ground.

but did you see any pro-tesco posters?

[Rich]

but did you see any pro-tesco posters?

Actually I did, but there is no poster campaign in favour of Tesco only a petition to counter the Southville led campaign.

YESCO was the poster and it does have a good ring to it,

[Rich]

The campaigners of Southville (not Ashton) suggest that social housing would be a better option for the city ground site.

Of course we don't have enough social housing in south Bristol as it is.

If it's housing we need in south Bristol then it should be for the higher earners, which would bring a bit more wealth to the area. I can't see the residents of Stoke Bishop rushing to buy a house next to the KFC, thats if there were enough revenue to be made from housing.

With all due respect to people renting their homes I think the residents of Raynes, Smythe and Bower Rd would not be too happy with the Tesco haters of Southville proposal.

On another note, the Berate group say they are concerned for the future of local businesses that could be affected by the (Giant) Tesco store.

I did not see or hear the same concerns for the local pubs in Ashton when the Giant Tobacco Factory bar opened it's doors which has coincided with the closure of Wedlocks and the Ship and Castle.

[Flaxbourton Red]

The campaigners of Southville (not Ashton) suggest that social housing would be a better option for the city ground site.

Of course we don't have enough social housing in south Bristol as it is.

If it's housing we need in south Bristol then it should be for the higher earners, which would bring a bit more wealth to the area. I can't see the residents of Stoke Bishop rushing to buy a house next to the KFC, thats if there were enough revenue to be made from housing.

With all due respect to people renting their homes I think the residents of Raynes, Smythe and Bower Rd would not be too happy with the Tesco haters of Southville proposal.

On another note, the Berate group say they are concerned for the future of local businesses that could be affected by the (Giant) Tesco store.

I did not see or hear the same concerns for the local pubs in Ashton when the Giant Tobacco Factory bar opened it's doors which has coincided with the closure of Wedlocks and the Ship and Castle.

you need a rest from all this

[WhistleHappy]

... YESCO ...

Thats very good, hats off to whoever thought that one up! ..

Yesco - simply brilliant!

[Rich]

you need a rest from all this

I know (help)

[NickJ]

I did not see or hear the same concerns for the local pubs in Ashton when the Giant Tobacco Factory bar opened it's doors which has coincided with the closure of Wedlocks and the Ship and Castle.

You missed the campaigns by very many groups then, including our very own Supporters Trust.

The Tobacco Factory has in any case been open for several years, so its closure has hardly coincided. Although I do take your point that the demise of very many pubs are eventually brought about by the opening of places like the Tobacco Factory, Lounge, etc.

I personally go into deep depression every time I see a pub close down, because there goes another part of our history, tradition and heritage. Unfortunately due to shifts in fashions, poor management, and demographic factors some pubs become unviable in their current form, however there should be alternatives. The planners allowing the Red Cow in West Street for example to be not only closed down but bulldozed down was something of a scandal. The history of the place deserved better than that.

Wedlocks is a good case in point, suffering as it did due to the shift in socialising up North Street. It was demolished for flats. It is proposed Ashton Gate is demolished to be replaced by Tesco.

A more forward thinking alternative by all concerened could have seen Wedlocks remaining as a refurbished pub, thereby retaining its history, and AG being redeveloped for housing and small retail outlets; the influx of inhabitants across the road rather than just on Saturdays would have given it a greater chance of sucess as a pub.

[Rich]

You missed the campaigns by very many groups then, including our very own Supporters Trust.

The Tobacco Factory has in any case been open for several years, so its closure has hardly coincided. Although I do take your point that the demise of very many pubs are eventually brought about by the opening of places like the Tobacco Factory, Lounge, etc.

I personally go into deep depression every time I see a pub close down, because there goes another part of our history, tradition and heritage. Unfortunately due to shifts in fashions, poor management, and demographic factors some pubs become unviable in their current form, however there should be alternatives. The planners allowing the Red Cow in West Street for example to be not only closed down but bulldozed down was something of a scandal. The history of the place deserved better than that.

Wedlocks is a good case in point, suffering as it did due to the shift in socialising up North Street. It was demolished for flats. It is proposed Ashton Gate is demolished to be replaced by Tesco.

A more forward thinking alternative by all concerened could have seen Wedlocks remaining as a refurbished pub, thereby retaining its history, and AG being redeveloped for housing and small retail outlets; the influx of inhabitants across the road rather than just on Saturdays would have given it a greater chance of sucess as a pub.

Nick

I didn't miss those campaigns, the supporters trust as you say ran a campaign. I was referring to the residents of Southville

who frequent the tobacco factory not concerning themselves enough to start a campaign to save the pubs of Ashton and I think you know that's what I was saying.

There is a poignant Fact that Wedlocks was demolished to build flats yet no flats have been built due to market conditions.

Wouldn't this be the case on the City ground site which needs to be decided now, not when or if the market picks up so that the football club can progress with it's plans.

The forward thinking you refer to would have needed to happen three years ago to have given Wedlocks a chance.

You say Ashton Gate would be replaced by Tesco but seem to forget that a new ground with far superior facilities and the scope to further our clubs ambitions will be built to replace it, unlike the case with wedlocks which was just raised to the ground.

Instead of going into deep depression every time a pub closes perhaps you should go into a pub.

Have one for me while your in there.

[cider head]

not read the whole thread bt i've signed it

[Christof]

Careful Rich,

You'll be mixing your stereotypes soon if your not careful! I thought the debate was meant to be about how great a Tesco would be for the area? Instead it seems to be about how the Tesco haters of Southvile want to force social housing dwellers to live in Ashton to keep their property prices higher! And to cap it all, they only drink in posh pubs and don't lift a finger when real pubs close down. Bast--s!

Come on! You have been at this too long.

If you want a tesco because it will provide the cash to build a new stadium then fair enough (or not) but just come out and say it. Lots of others have and thats understandable. Lets stop pretending that being able to purchase a 24hr packet of fish fingers is going to enhance anyones life. Anyone with a motor can obtain them a few minutes away.

Unfortunatley the BERATE group is a little less exciting than you seem to think, consisting mostly of a mixture of local shopkeepers who are afraid they'll lose their shops and those of the people they employ, librarians, some mums, some BCFC season ticket holders, a civil servant and the odd ex-councillor and current councillor (I think you know who) and the 1000 odd people who live in about 1sq mile of the stadium who have signed a paper copy of the "no" petition. Most are just people who are worried about the effect a 24hr retail shed will have on the shops, the traffic, the park and the quality of life. Others think its a wasted opportunity to put something better there if the club move.

I'm sure you'll be trying to stereotype me from this post so I look forward to reading it tomorrow.

Whilst you've been posting, we've been reading what your saying yes to on our behalf.

5,000, 000 extra car journeys per year ( or equivalent of 7 weeks standing next to the M5).

60 lorries per week (They've already started coming down North Street in anticipation of the base line traffic count)

A new car entrance on Ashton Road (they kept that quiet at the consultation!)

24hr deliveries, lights and noise from refrigerators for people living on Raynes road

And those 400 jobs? It turns out that from research we looked at carried out by the supermarkets themselves (National Retail Planning Forum) that when a store of this size opens, there is a net LOSS of around 250 jobs in the surrounding area

Cheers!

[NickJ]

Nick

I didn't miss those campaigns, the supporters trust as you say ran a campaign. I was referring to the residents of Southville

who frequent the tobacco factory not concerning themselves enough to start a campaign to save the pubs of Ashton and I think you know that's what I was saying.

There is a poignant Fact that Wedlocks was demolished to build flats yet no flats have been built due to market conditions.

Wouldn't this be the case on the City ground site which needs to be decided now, not when or if the market picks up so that the football club can progress with it's plans.

The forward thinking you refer to would have needed to happen three years ago to have given Wedlocks a chance.

You say Ashton Gate would be replaced by Tesco but seem to forget that a new ground with far superior facilities and the scope to further our clubs ambitions will be built to replace it, unlike the case with wedlocks which was just raised to the ground.

Instead of going into deep depression every time a pub closes perhaps you should go into a pub.

Have one for me while your in there.

Well I've just got back from Wembley where I had a couple of pints in a decent pub. As I always do. I go into a pub almost every day of the week. And there you were thinking I spend all my time googling Tesco Environment Bad For The. Sorry to disappoint you.

I've only responded to your last 2 sentences because I dont really understand what points you are attempting to make in the remainder of your post.

It only remains for me to say that I bet Tesco have never had so much support in favour of one of their stores before, particularly from individuals who will hardly ever use it.

I doubt very much the planners will be fooled into thinking the Yesco campaign has any merit, even if every single Bristol City fan votes in favour of it.

[Smiling Dave]

Careful Rich,

You'll be mixing your stereotypes soon if your not careful! I thought the debate was meant to be about how great a Tesco would be for the area? Instead it seems to be about how the Tesco haters of Southvile want to force social housing dwellers to live in Ashton to keep their property prices higher! And to cap it all, they only drink in posh pubs and don't lift a finger when real pubs close down. Bast--s!

Come on! You have been at this too long.

If you want a tesco because it will provide the cash to build a new stadium then fair enough (or not) but just come out and say it. Lots of others have and thats understandable. Lets stop pretending that being able to purchase a 24hr packet of fish fingers is going to enhance anyones life. Anyone with a motor can obtain them a few minutes away.

Unfortunatley the BERATE group is a little less exciting than you seem to think, consisting mostly of a mixture of local shopkeepers who are afraid they'll lose their shops and those of the people they employ, librarians, some mums, some BCFC season ticket holders, a civil servant and the odd ex-councillor and current councillor (I think you know who) and the 1000 odd people who live in about 1sq mile of the stadium who have signed a paper copy of the "no" petition. Most are just people who are worried about the effect a 24hr retail shed will have on the shops, the traffic, the park and the quality of life. Others think its a wasted opportunity to put something better there if the club move.

I'm sure you'll be trying to stereotype me from this post so I look forward to reading it tomorrow.

Whilst you've been posting, we've been reading what your saying yes to on our behalf.

5,000, 000 extra car journeys per year ( or equivalent of 7 weeks standing next to the M5).

60 lorries per week (They've already started coming down North Street in anticipation of the base line traffic count)

A new car entrance on Ashton Road (they kept that quiet at the consultation!)

24hr deliveries, lights and noise from refrigerators for people living on Raynes road

And those 400 jobs? It turns out that from research we looked at carried out by the supermarkets themselves (National Retail Planning Forum) that when a store of this size opens, there is a net LOSS of around 250 jobs in the surrounding area

Cheers!

Excellent post.

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

5,000, 000 extra car journeys per year ( or equivalent of 7 weeks standing next to the M5).

A new car entrance on Ashton Road (they kept that quiet at the consultation!)

And those 400 jobs? It turns out that from research we looked at carried out by the supermarkets themselves (National Retail Planning Forum) that when a store of this size opens, there is a net LOSS of around 250 jobs in the surrounding area

Cheers!

As a matter of interest where did you get the 5m car journeys per year stat from?

Also - where did you get the 250 jobs thing from and what extra entrance on Ashton Road at you talking about?

As for the new entrance on Ashton Road. What are you talking about there? The thing that's already an entrance to the football ground?

[madmax]

The so called pressure group Berate have come out with some classic figures but can they prove the figures? I very much doubt it because the building work isn't finished.

I live in Ashton Vale, thats no secret, I think Tescos will not harm the area at all. I think it will give it a new lease of life, choice, jobs, etc.... North Street will not be effected as there is already a Tescos there. I use North Street and East Street for my fresh shopping and Asda Bedminster for my familys 'big shop'.

The smaller traders will not be effected and it's just an over hyped response from people because they don't want change.

My neighbour is dead against Tescos, despite happily using them for her home delivery! Shocking eh? ANyway, I said to her over the garden wall, IF Bristol City built the new stadium, what is your preference on the site of AG. She responded 'Houses' I said fair enough, but surely that would still increase polution within the area, traffic and population etc. admitidely, not as much as if it were Tescos. I then carried on and said what about a trade park with Primark, Matalan, M & S etc... 'oh that would be nice' was her response!!!! Make of this as you will but the people of Berate are taking on people who really don't give a monkeys whats built as long as it's not Tescos!

If it was M & S food hall with clothing, I doubt we will see the TESNO posters or similar in the windows of residents and shops of BS3!

MM

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

ANyway, I said to her over the garden wall, IF Bristol City built the new stadium, what is your preference on the site of AG. She responded 'Houses'

People will object to whatever. Gloucestershire Cricket Club have recently had to scale back their plans for flats on the site because of opposition. The Berate campaign is no bigger than what the "no to housing" campaign would be.

[Christof]

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

[madmax]

Christof, can I ask your area of residence please?

MM

[Christof]

Southville

[Flaxbourton Red]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/new...ine_road_ground

[Rich]

Careful Rich,

You'll be mixing your stereotypes soon if your not careful! I thought the debate was meant to be about how great a Tesco would be for the area? Instead it seems to be about how the Tesco haters of Southvile want to force social housing dwellers to live in Ashton to keep their property prices higher! And to cap it all, they only drink in posh pubs and don't lift a finger when real pubs close down. Bast--s!

Come on! You have been at this too long.

If you want a tesco because it will provide the cash to build a new stadium then fair enough (or not) but just come out and say it. Lots of others have and thats understandable. Lets stop pretending that being able to purchase a 24hr packet of fish fingers is going to enhance anyones life. Anyone with a motor can obtain them a few minutes away.

Unfortunatley the BERATE group is a little less exciting than you seem to think, consisting mostly of a mixture of local shopkeepers who are afraid they'll lose their shops and those of the people they employ, librarians, some mums, some BCFC season ticket holders, a civil servant and the odd ex-councillor and current councillor (I think you know who) and the 1000 odd people who live in about 1sq mile of the stadium who have signed a paper copy of the "no" petition. Most are just people who are worried about the effect a 24hr retail shed will have on the shops, the traffic, the park and the quality of life. Others think its a wasted opportunity to put something better there if the club move.

I'm sure you'll be trying to stereotype me from this post so I look forward to reading it tomorrow.

Whilst you've been posting, we've been reading what your saying yes to on our behalf.

5,000, 000 extra car journeys per year ( or equivalent of 7 weeks standing next to the M5).

60 lorries per week (They've already started coming down North Street in anticipation of the base line traffic count)

A new car entrance on Ashton Road (they kept that quiet at the consultation!)

24hr deliveries, lights and noise from refrigerators for people living on Raynes road

And those 400 jobs? It turns out that from research we looked at carried out by the supermarkets themselves (National Retail Planning Forum) that when a store of this size opens, there is a net LOSS of around 250 jobs in the surrounding area

Cheers!

Christof

Why do people take a statement from someone else and exagerate it to make it appear extreme in it's content?

It's not clever, anyone can do that (even me). So let's stop pretending it's a debate about a supermarket and

admit it's more to do with what supermarket it is. After all sainsburys was not opposed with such vigour when they tried to expand their present store.

The debate as far as I'm concerned is and always has been about the pros and cons of a new store with the benefits it brings and the effect or non effect it could have on the community, whether those benefits are the goods on offer or the fact that the selling price would help the club achieve it's goals.

Many anti Tesco posts make both valid and invalid claims as do those who support it, trying to belittle someone of opposite views with silly comments about fish fingers as a way of argument is mostly anti productive.

So, I'm not saying yes on your behalf anymore than you are saying no on my behalf.

I started the petition to counter what I believe to be a politically led campaign against the club's plan to sell Ashton Gate stadium to Tesco.

After all the debate and posts from the opposition to Tesco I am now more convinced than ever that this is the case, with genuinely cocerned people being used to further the cause.

So which are you? genuinely concerned or Tesco hater.