Super Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 He also said he lost two friends, one of which was murdered. The fact you chose to just say "Don't compare your nan pasing away to this" shows that through all your posturing in this thread on respect, and remembrance of loss your actually just a selective, vile hypocrite. And his family of his friend recieved some sort of Justice didn't they? All i am saying is that the families of the 96 deserve that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Do or would Liverpool still play on the anniversary of the Heysel Stadium riot?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 And his family of his friend recieved some sort of Justice didn't they? All i am saying is that the families of the 96 deserve that as well. I agree, but thats totally irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Do or would Liverpool still play on the anniversary of the Heysel Stadium riot?. That isn't the point and you know it, Esmond. I think this thread should be binned, it's a topic that raises tensions and for some reasons provokes a lot of ill-informed people to come crawling out of the woodwork to make accusations that have no basis or foundation. It also has nothing to do with this club at all. Let's go back to whinging that Maynard is a greedy ****, Robbored is a bully and I'm a rude, arrogant ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 That isn't the point and you know it, Esmond. I think this thread should be binned, it's a topic that raises tensions and for some reasons provokes a lot of ill-informed people to come crawling out of the woodwork to make accusations that have no basis or foundation. It also has nothing to do with this club at all. Let's go back to whinging that Maynard is a greedy ****, Robbored is a bully and I'm a rude, arrogant ****. Robbored's not a bully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 That isn't the point and you know it, Esmond. I think this thread should be binned, it's a topic that raises tensions and for some reasons provokes a lot of ill-informed people to come crawling out of the woodwork to make accusations that have no basis or foundation. It also has nothing to do with this club at all. Let's go back to whinging that Maynard is a greedy ****, Robbored is a bully and I'm a rude, arrogant ****. It should be binned? what are you on about??? Those saying it was'nt cover up etc - are clearly ignorant and dont know what they are talking about But theres nothing wrong with the rest of it. **** me - who do liverpool think they are?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 It should be binned? what are you on about??? Those saying it was'nt cover up etc - are clearly ignorant and dont know what they are talking about But theres nothing wrong with the rest of it. **** me - who do liverpool think they are?! Oh you do chat some utter shit. it's going round in circles and people are making up things to put the boot in. The Chelsea game was arranged for the 15th. They want to change. Liverpool refuse on the grounds they have a memorial service organised for the families of 96 dead which it is both traditional and apparently helpful for the entire playing squad and management to attend. No problem, no conspiracy, no nothing. Just compassion for families who are still fighting for a cause that effected them. A club whose name was dragged through the mud (as clearly evidenced by the utter drivel posted by some on this very thread) is also still fighting for justice for its fans and itself. That, if it was any club in the land, would and always should remain more important than a club having an extra ******* rest day. It's the clubs prerogative to not play on that day, it doesn't harm anyone... infact, it does some people good. This is just a continuation of what has become a popular angle over the last 12 months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Oh you do chat some utter shit. it's going round in circles and people are making up things to put the boot in. The Chelsea game was arranged for the 15th. They want to change. Liverpool refuse on the grounds they have a memorial service organised for the families of 96 dead which it is both traditional and apparently helpful for the entire playing squad and management to attend. No problem, no conspiracy, no nothing. Just compassion for families who are still fighting for a cause that effected them. A club whose name was dragged through the mud (as clearly evidenced by the utter drivel posted by some on this very thread) is also still fighting for justice for its fans and itself. That, if it was any club in the land, would and always should remain more important than a club having an extra ******* rest day. It's the clubs prerogative to not play on that day, it doesn't harm anyone... infact, it does some people good. This is just a continuation of what has become a popular angle over the last 12 months... Its not the clubs perogative and they should play on that day, if a fixture falls on it. Playing a football match harms no one either. They cant hold that day forever and say we'll never play that day - At some point, they will have to play on that date - and they should. Theres no proper reason not too. I dont care about Chelsea - thats irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Its not the clubs perogative and they should play on that day, if a fixture falls on it. Playing a football match harms no one either. They cant hold that day forever and say we'll never play that day - At some point, they will have to play on that date - and they should. Theres no proper reason not too. I dont care about Chelsea - thats irrelevant. Well they've not been asked to play on that day as a fixture hasn't fallen on it. So, another reason to can the thread, it's misinformed. I'm sure they will play on the date once Justice is given to the 96 and the facts are known and those responsible are held to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Well they've not been asked to play on that day as a fixture hasn't fallen on it. So, another reason to can the thread, it's misinformed. I'm sure they will play on the date once Justice is given to the 96 and the facts are known and those responsible are held to account. I don't know if this has been covered earlier in the thread but I'm not sure all the relatives would want to know the whole truth. Mistakes were made by a number of people and authorities that day but my vivid memories of the news footage coming form Hillsbrough that day, footage that I don't remember seeing anywhere since, was of utter disbelief in the way a lot of Liverpool fans turning up late behaved trying to get in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Well they've not been asked to play on that day as a fixture hasn't fallen on it. So, another reason to can the thread, it's misinformed. I'm sure they will play on the date once Justice is given to the 96 and the facts are known and those responsible are held to account. I know they haven't been asked - thats because the FA are scared of the reaction. There is absolutely no reason to stop this thread - nothing wrong with it. You may not agree with the general theme - but that is your problem. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbcfc Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 The families want an unreserved apology from the Tory government, from the Sheffield police force, from the sun newspaper. They are never going to get that IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I don't know if this has been covered earlier in the thread but I'm not sure all the relatives would want to know the whole truth. Mistakes were made by a number of people and authorities that day but my vivid memories of the news footage coming form Hillsbrough that day, footage that I don't remember seeing anywhere since, was of utter disbelief in the way a lot of Liverpool fans turning up late behaved trying to get in the ground. I suspect that along with inevitable evidence of culpable people trying to cover their backsides, there will be evidence of misbehaviour in trying to get in the ground. How that is accepted by the 'Justice for...' group and others will probably determine how long it is before Liverpool will play on that day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 If this was bristol city then everyone saying Liverpool Shud play wud be saying the exact opposite . Perhaps a few wudnt but until ur in that situation I guess u just dnt know. I don't think the thread Shud be closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I suspect that along with inevitable evidence of culpable people trying to cover their backsides, there will be evidence of misbehaviour in trying to get in the ground. How that is accepted by the 'Justice for...' group and others will probably determine how long it is before Liverpool will play on that day A very very interesting point , I hv thought this many times before. I guess only the full document release will confirm this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Anyone think the police will press charges against those people who sent death threats. They charged the guy relating to muamba, or will they keep out of it, not wishing to inflame things more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Anyone think the police will press charges against those people who sent death threats. They charged the guy relating to muamba, or will they keep out of it, not wishing to inflame things more. Threats to kill are simply unacceptable and I'm sure even the staunchest Liverpool fan would agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Roughneck Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Except the ones on RAWK making them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Play with black armbands and a minute's silence if you like, but, as the bloke writing that blog pointed out - eventually you have to call time on grief. I can appreciate it is a significant and sad date for LFC but I think 23 years on they might mark it in a different way than as if it had just happened. Quite right. Alan Davies is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I don't know if this has been covered earlier in the thread but I'm not sure all the relatives would want to know the whole truth. Mistakes were made by a number of people and authorities that day but my vivid memories of the news footage coming form Hillsbrough that day, footage that I don't remember seeing anywhere since, was of utter disbelief in the way a lot of Liverpool fans turning up late behaved trying to get in the ground. Oooo, ouch. I don't think you are allowed to say that. We all know that Liverpool fans are without fault in this. Strangely enough, I think that we can say without doubt that the 96 fans who died were without fault as it's virtually impossible to rush to the front of a crushing crowd. I suspect that some Liverpool fans contributed to this tragedy. Not because they are from Liverpool but because they are like you or me. I also suspect that police officers are responsible for this tragedy. The difference between the fans and the officers is that one paid to be in the crowd and the others were paid to manage the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider_dog Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 What utter crap. These families deserve justice and the truth to come out. Ok, all this talk of 'Justice', What type of justice are we all talking about? Presumably legal action, trials etc - all it does it cost more and more money, drag up more and more bad memories and it does not bring the deceased back to life. I am sure that you went to many games during that period the same as I did, in those days there were always problems with crowds and containment in terraced stands. As a teenager I was often terrified when there was a 'push' etc. Once you throw in alcohol and many fans without tickets then sadly the result was inevitable, if it did not happen at Hillsborough it would of happened somewhere else. Funny how it was a Tory government in power then, as now...Liverpool as a city is a hotbed of left wing socialist activity and always has been, I believe that this issue has become over politicised and in reality many media agendas have become ambiguous. I can completely understand how as a victim there is always a body or organisation needed to blame, but I just can't see the events at Hillsborough as anything but a tragic accident with a positive legacy (safer grounds, all seat stadiums etc). Like a lot of things in life we (as humans) never learn anything until a tragic mistake is made...I am trying to be objective about a highly emotional subject, so I expect to be shot to pieces here, but there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Funny how it was a Tory government in power then, as now...Liverpool as a city is a hotbed of left wing socialist activity and always has been, I believe that this issue has become over politicised and in reality many media agendas have become ambiguous. Hmmm, I know what you're saying, but it's worth noting that Liverpool City Council has only been controlled by Labour for 12 years in the last 4 decades and it has, in fact, had longer periods of Lib Dem control. (PS: Yes, I know I'm sad for knowing that! I'm working on a local elections project) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 The one diehard LFC season ticket holder I know (who was at Hillsborough that day) says she agrees with Alan Davies. I do think his tweet could've been more sensitively phrased, but he's raised a point. Not playing on that day, 23 years on, doesn't get the Hillsborough justice campaign any further on. Ironically, this furore has probably given the relatives' case a higher profile than it's had for some time. I just hope the death threat idiots haven't lost the cause any sympathy. Though I bet with the general hysteria her and the other voices of sanity amongst LFC are keeping that a bit quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Here we go again, blame the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Here we go again, blame the victims. Yep. It's worth anyone labouring under the impression that police statements on the matter are true, reading this http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/12/hillsborough-battle-orgreave?newsfeed=true It's a huge kick in the teeth for the victims' families that the officer in charge was allowed to retire on a full pension and another high ranking policeman in charge on that day is now chief constable of West Yorkshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Here we go again, blame the victims. I don't think I've read anyone blame 'the victims'; the people who were crushed indisputably all had tickets and were in the ground in good time so whichever version of events you choose to believe, the people who died are most certainly free of any blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Yep. It's worth anyone labouring under the impression that police statements on the matter are true, reading this http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/12/hillsborough-battle-orgreave?newsfeed=true It's a huge kick in the teeth for the victims' families that the officer in charge was allowed to retire on a full pension and another high ranking policeman in charge on that day is now chief constable of West Yorkshire. Without meaning to deflect away from the debate, IMO the miners strike was an even bigger tradgedy than Hillsborough. 96 people died at Hillsborough which is obviously dreadful but whole towns and villages died in the miners strike in order that Thatcher and Skargill could play political footsie with vast tracts of working class Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodle Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 After reading the whole thread, Its pretty clear the only people who think Liverpool should not play have an agenda. ..And that agenda is.....They secretly support them!! Always the same posters who come out in defense of the KKK!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54-46 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 The only people with a right to to feel bad are the families of the 96 people effected has anyone even bothered to ask what they want? Agreed - there may even be some families who want to get on with things in their own way and wish it wasn't dragged up every year to such an extent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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