The Gasbuster Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I suppose she was a superb and clever politician in exactly the same way that Hitler was a superb and clever politician. The sinking of the Belgrano was a war crime of the worst order, and she lied blatantly afterwards to try to get herself off the hook but was found out. Her aim was to crush the spirit of working people, and she achieved it. I'm amazed that anyone on a football forum has a good word to say for her. Very good point on that subject. Her stance on Hillsborough was very wrong, and has been proved to be recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I would put her ahead, simply because when she came to power everybody knew she was a tory and remained true to that and Bliar came in as a 'socialist' and then abandoned the working man, but of course established his 'brand' and is now shamelessly raking in money in a way the most shameless tory would and from some quite dodgy sources and that is hypocrisy at it's highest, but hey that's socialism for you. Please tell me when Blair was ever a socialist ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 What makes Churchill the best, in terms of lasting differences to Britain the Atlee government was a real game changer, David Lloyd George was also incredibly important to how the Country developed in the earlier 20th century where as at that time young Churchill was singlehandedly destroying the gold standard throwing the economy out of whack. I'm not disputing he was an emphatic leader that galvanised a Country in turmoil post Chamberlain appeasement but just thought I'd give an alternative perspective. Indeed. Nobody can dispute what Churchill did during World War II but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best Prime Minister of all time. Certainly I'd agree Atlee and Lloyd George made much greater and more valuable changes to the social structure of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 What makes Churchill the best, in terms of lasting differences to Britain the Atlee government was a real game changer, David Lloyd George was also incredibly important to how the Country developed in the earlier 20th century where as at that time young Churchill was singlehandedly destroying the gold standard throwing the economy out of whack. I'm not disputing he was an emphatic leader that galvanised a Country in turmoil post Chamberlain appeasement but just thought I'd give an alternative perspective. Good point with both. They of course did not have some mass murderer trying to destroy this country at the time, to contend with, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 BREAKING NEWS: Margaret Thatcher found fit for work by ATOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Tried banning ALL away fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 BREAKING NEWS: Margaret Thatcher found fit for work by ATOS. Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Regardless of your own political views no-one can argue that she wasn't a superb and clever politician. I didn't admire her politics much but I did admire the way she stood up for the Falkland Islands and resisted the despot Galtieri and his Junta thugs. Apart from Churchill no other Britsh PM would have had the courage to order the sinking of the Belgrano. Probably because it was sailing away from the Falklands at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunningdalered Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 If that's the phrase you'd use for systematically destroying communities and removing all social cohesion and presiding over a country that went during her reign from tight-knit communities with close ties to bunch of strangers living in the same street with nobody looks out for their neighbour then maybe. I wonder if the sad ***** with 'Free Enterprise Works' stickers on the boot of their rusting Austin Allegro's will now remove them in tribute to her. Or maybe those people on the council housing list will raise a glass to her for selling off the council housing stock in order to get more votes during the late-70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I suppose she was a superb and clever politician in exactly the same way that Hitler was a superb and clever politician. The sinking of the Belgrano was a war crime of the worst order, and she lied blatantly afterwards to try to get herself off the hook but was found out. Her aim was to crush the spirit of working people, and she achieved it. I'm amazed that anyone on a football forum has a good word to say for her. Oh pipe down. We were at war after being attacked. They deserved everything they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Please tell me when Blair was ever a socialist ? http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/11/labour-party-leader-socialist http://www.nextleft.org/2010/11/i-am-socialist-says-new-labour-leader.html I am a Socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, Socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for co-operation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality, not because it wants people to be the same but because only through equality in our economic circumstances can our individuality develop properly.Tony BlairMaiden speech in House of Commons as MP for Sedgefield, July 6 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTR Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I would put her ahead, simply because when she came to power everybody knew she was a tory and remained true to that and Bliar came in as a 'socialist' and then abandoned the working man, but of course established his 'brand' and is now shamelessly raking in money in a way the most shameless tory would and from some quite dodgy sources and that is hypocrisy at it's highest, but hey that's socialism for you. On the other hand he did indeed abandon the working man,where as she gave the working class a f**cking good kicking and actually enjoyed doing it,spiteful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I suppose she was a superb and clever politician in exactly the same way that Hitler was a superb and clever politician. The sinking of the Belgrano was a war crime of the worst order, and she lied blatantly afterwards to try to get herself off the hook but was found out. Her aim was to crush the spirit of working people, and she achieved it. I'm amazed that anyone on a football forum has a good word to say for her. Not in my book. The Belgrano was a serious threat and deliberately sailing in and out of the defensive zone around the islands. Posturing and possessing a real danger to British aircraft and ships. Sinking her sent a very loud 'don't mess with us' message to Galtieri and his Junta and the effect on the Argentinian public was hugely demoralising and a major part of regaining the islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Butterfield Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Good point with both. They of course did not have some mass murderer trying to destroy this country at the time, to contend with, of course. DLG did take charge of the coalition during ww1 so different faces but same predicament but this was the first time it had happened, nothing could prepare the british people especially with over by Christmas propaganda to generate more soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 BREAKING NEWS: Margaret Thatcher found fit for work by ATOS. I think that's the first joke I've heard about her death that's made me laugh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 DLG did take charge of the coalition during ww1 so different faces but same predicament but this was the first time it had happened, nothing could prepare the british people especially with over by Christmas propaganda to generate more soldiers. Agree again, however the Germany we were facing in 1939-1945 was totally different to that one in 1914-1918. A much more ruthless, fanatical foe by a long, long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I suppose she was a superb and clever politician in exactly the same way that Hitler was a superb and clever politician. The sinking of the Belgrano was a war crime of the worst order, and she lied blatantly afterwards to try to get herself off the hook but was found out. Her aim was to crush the spirit of working people, and she achieved it. I'm amazed that anyone on a football forum has a good word to say for her. What utter bollox, by then we were at war and she was actually against it's sinking, the joint heads of staff made her realise, no matter where this ship was it was danger to British troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 On the other hand he did indeed abandon the working man,where as she gave the working class a f**cking good kicking and actually enjoyed doing it,spiteful. She was a tory what do you expect?, getting a kicking off of a 'socialist' leader is like being beaten up in the east end by another BCFC fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Regardless of your opinions, someone had died, show some respect. Apart from fight the Argies I disagreed with her, but I have the grace to say RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I despair... regardless of what you think of her politically or as a person...how would you feel if people celebrated your mothers death just because they didn't like her views? Some really sick people on here... I hope it never happens to some of you. Some should be ashamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 A Great Britain who said what she thought and stood for what she believed in; so sickened by some disrespectfull replies on this thread though. Respect is sadly in short supply atm in this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I despair... regardless of what you think of her politically or as a person...how would you feel if people celebrated your mothers death just because they didn't like her views? Some really sick people on here... I hope it never happens to some of you. Some should be ashamed. Exactly. Some sick twisted people here. My eyes are now well and truly open to what some people are really like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I despair... regardless of what you think of her politically or as a person...how would you feel if people celebrated your mothers death just because they didn't like her views? Some really sick people on here... I hope it never happens to some of you. Some should be ashamed. 100% AGREE, bandwagon jumpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 What utter bollox, by then we were at war and she was actually against it's sinking, the joint heads of staff made her realise, no matter where this ship was it was danger to British troops. She fooled you too then, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTR Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 She was a tory what do you expect?, getting a kicking off of a 'socialist' leader is like being beaten up in the east end by another BCFC fan. Like I said I had no time for Tony Blair,and of course I expected the usual tory kicking,but f** me she was extra spiteful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I despair... regardless of what you think of her politically or as a person...how would you feel if people celebrated your mothers death just because they didn't like her views? Some really sick people on here... I hope it never happens to some of you. Some should be ashamed. Well said Spudski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Is this football related?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I despair... regardless of what you think of her politically or as a person...how would you feel if people celebrated your mothers death just because they didn't like her views? Some really sick people on here... I hope it never happens to some of you. Some should be ashamed. It's not just because of her views, it's because of her deeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Butterfield Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 It's not just because of her views, it's because of her deeds. 100% agree. Her deeds because of her views crippled the working class. End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fka dagest Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Is this football related?! Indeed. The sooner this is hidden elsewhere on the forum the better. It's hardly going to improve moods amongst an already pissed off bunch of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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