JammyOne Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Justice seen to be done will prevail over justice to be done; forget the facts, Pistorious will be sent down for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Definitely getting away with the murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Very long winded..... He'll get sent down but not for murder, But for manslaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Can't see him getting convicted of murder even though it probably was. Culpable homicide looks a likely verdict. 10 Years+ sentence i reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 11, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Whatever the verdict the opposition will appeal and it will all drag on for another year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 A friend of mine reckons that in SA a conviction for culpable homicide or manslaughter can result in a financial penalty in the form of compensation to the family, rather than jail. Anyone know if that's true? If it is, that's where this is going IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 A friend of mine reckons that in SA a conviction for culpable homicide or manslaughter can result in a financial penalty in the form of compensation to the family, rather than jail. Anyone know if that's true? If it is, that's where this is going IMO http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-potential-verdicts "There is no prescribed sentence for culpable homicide in South African law and the sentence can be decided at the discretion of the judge based on the weight of evidence and circumstances surrounding the incident." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'm glad I didn't stop in to watch. Dragging on a bit. Now happily sat in the sun at an Eastern European car wash. Are they as popular down home as they are up here in the midlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-potential-verdicts"There is no prescribed sentence for culpable homicide in South African law and the sentence can be decided at the discretion of the judge based on the weight of evidence and circumstances surrounding the incident." Translation: anything could happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Pistoriuos is guilty IMO. They rowed, not for the first time, she ran off into the toilet and shut the door. He lost it completely and knowing she was in the bog shot her through the door. He has a history of having a short fuse especially with women along with an obsession with firearms. If this was a British court he'd be serving life by now. Ever since he's trying to get off of what is cold blooded murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Cleared of Murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I'd say it's shaping up for culpable.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 What I don't get is how can you categorically prove he shot her on purpose, when only the 2 of them there. Doesn't that mean basically you couldn't prove hundreds of people were shot on purpose, if its only one persons word against the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 11, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 What I don't get is how can you categorically prove he shot her on purpose, when only the 2 of them there. Doesn't that mean basically you couldn't prove hundreds of people were shot on purpose, if its only one persons word against the state. Guess they have to prove it was pre-meditated - interesting how they would Where is everyone watching this? BBC news site won't upload, can see my second screen being diverted from work for this afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 she believed him.crucially that he thought she was still in bed. I think he's as guilty as a puppy next to a pile of poo but... no evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Guess they have to prove it was pre-meditated - interesting how they would Where is everyone watching this? BBC news site won't upload, can see my second screen being diverted from work for this afternoon Sky News. Just finished for the day. Looks like it's culpable homicide (manslaughter) then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Turning into a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 11, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Judge Thokozile Masipa has ruled out the charges of premeditated murder and murder in the Oscar Pistorius trial. However, she says that it is clear his conduct was "negligent". She has now adjourned the trial until Friday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Pistorius is the only person alive who truly knows what happened that night, he's given his side of the story, how can you prove it beyond all reasonable doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Sky News. Just finished for the day. Looks like it's culpable homicide (manslaughter) then. Yup, I've been listening to updates on the radio, the judge certainly left them hanging. It doesn't seem to matter if it was his girlfriend he shot, or the state of their relationship. The Judge says he knew that there was a person in there (possibly an intruder) and he acted too quickly. She said if he was awakened from sleeping and saw a shadowy figure standing over him, even it was Reeva, that was different. He had time to act reasonably, call security etc and didn't. He was negligent. Looks like as I thought he would be facing manslaughter, there is a max 15 years or he could be acquitted. There is no minimum sentence so could be anything. I think she intends giving him the highest tarrif knowing he will win an appeal so will face 7/8 years after appeal, which is what she wants to give anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yup, I've been listening to updates on the radio, the judge certainly left them hanging. It doesn't seem to matter if it was his girlfriend he shot, or the state of their relationship. The Judge says he knew that there was a person in there (possibly an intruder) and he acted too quickly. She said if he was awakened from sleeping and saw a shadowy figure standing over him, even it was Reeva, that was different. He had time to act reasonably, call security etc and didn't. He was negligent. Looks like as I thought he would be facing manslaughter, there is a max 15 years or he could be acquitted. There is no minimum sentence so could be anything. I think she intends giving him the highest tarrif knowing he will win an appeal so will face 7/8 years after appeal, which is what she wants to give anyway. All very strange. To basically say that it would be okay to shoot your girlfriend if she was standing over you in the middle of the night is very odd (I know she didn't say it in exactly those words but did imply) Also, she breaks for lunch and then adjourns half an hour after coming back, just as she is about to give a verdict. How can she be allowed to do that? A cynic would say she is enjoying the attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 All very strange. To basically say that it would be okay to shoot your girlfriend if she was standing over you in the middle of the night is very odd (I know she didn't say it in exactly those words but did imply) Also, she breaks for lunch and then adjourns half an hour after coming back, just as she is about to give a verdict. How can she be allowed to do that? A cynic would say she is enjoying the attention. It was very much like that, wasn't it? A little bit like the end of Eastenders. "I'm building up to it, I'm building up to it, here it comes..." end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 It was very much like that, wasn't it? A little bit like the end of Eastenders. "I'm building up to it, I'm building up to it, here it comes..." end. Friends again then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 That's showbiz for you.Always leave em wanting more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think i've changed my mind. She's painting the case as flawed here. Yeah, and there was me thinking he didn't have a leg to stand on. (predicting guilty culpable homicide now but fearing an all too lenient sentence... Personally I think he should do ten years minimum preferably more.) I also worry, if he does go down, that at some point he'll spring himself, escape & do a runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Back live again, talking about the gun charges he faces. This seems to be a backwards step from yesterday when I thought a verdict was imminent, they are now going over old evidence? Edit: been acquitted of firing gun through car sunroof, lack of or contradicting evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Back live again, talking about the gun charges he faces. This seems to be a backwards step from yesterday when I thought a verdict was imminent, they are now going over old evidence? Edit: been acquitted of firing gun through car sunroof, lack of or contradicting evidence. what we have to remember is that it really is that dangerous in south africa, you are told to shoot first ask questions later out there, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Judge found him guilty of firing a gun in a restaurant. He fired the gun but persuaded a friend to take the blame fearing bad publicity. Edit: cleared of illegal possession of ammunition. Basically he said it was his Dad's and the state couldn't prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 So 1 out of 4? charges so far.. here comes the big one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Guilty of culpable homicide, not guilty of murder Guilty of Reeva Steenkamps Manslaughter says tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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