Monkeh Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 both sides have sexed up what will happen, Salmond is only after power imo but I really couldn't give a shit about them leaveing or staying, the only thing I will say is if they leave they should never be aloud to rejoin, you reep what you sow and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Polls suggesting the Yes campaign is now winning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Polls suggesting the Yes campaign is now winning... Although poll - as with previous close one - hasn't taken in undecided votes. When it matters I think the No will see though, just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Polls suggesting the Yes campaign is now winning... ......as previously stated - a 'Yes' vote in Scotland will mean we'll never again live under the yoke of a 'politically correct' Labour government in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 ......as previously stated - a 'Yes' vote in Scotland will mean we'll never again live under the yoke of a 'politically correct' Labour government in England. Ironically much of the 'Yes' campaign is based upon the fact that they won't have to live under an English Tory government. It will be interesting to see how long their socialist paradise survives up there before they have to plead for assistance. The problem with the 'No' campaign seems to be that they are concentrating on the negatives, all the nasty things that are going to happen if they leave the Union. In this respect it is similar to all the scaremongering tactics used by the 'In' campaign with regard to the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 The inevitable collapse of the Scottish economy following independence will act as a warning for the rest of us about what would happen if we ever left the European Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 The inevitable collapse of the Scottish economy following independence will act as a warning for the rest of us about what would happen if we ever left the European Union. You'll have to explain that in a little more detail, I don't quite see the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 The inevitable collapse of the Scottish economy following independence will act as a warning for the rest of us about what would happen if we ever left the European Union. The Lib-Lab-Con can stick their beloved EU membership and their new EU low powered vacuums directive where the sun doesn't shine. Anyway, with regards to Scottish independence, the arguments for England and Scotland remaining together have echoes of a relationship on the brink. What we haven't heard from the 'No' to Scottish independence campaign are some solid reasons for staying together. For me, as an Englishman, it's about never having to again live under the yoke of a Scottish led 'politically correct' EU loving traitor Labour Party if Scotland gains independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 You'll have to explain that in a little more detail, I don't quite see the comparison. Comparison is obvious. 1) Scottish businesses will be hit hard by the loss of their free access to UK markets and institutions. 2) On top of this, negative sentiment from the world financial system will further compound an independent Scotlands problems. Even if they are allowed to remain in the EU they'll lose business in the UK as they will be viewed as a 'foreign' country and will lose out to the (still significant) 'buy British' mentality that many of us still hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Comparison is obvious. 1) Scottish businesses will be hit hard by the loss of their free access to UK markets and institutions. 2) On top of this, negative sentiment from the world financial system will further compound an independent Scotlands problems. Even if they are allowed to remain in the EU they'll lose business in the UK as they will be viewed as a 'foreign' country and will lose out to the (still significant) 'buy British' mentality that many of us still hold. Still can't see the comparison with us leaving the EU. You seem to be employing the scaremongering tactics that are driving Scots into the 'Yes' camp and hopefully will drive us into the 'Out' camp if we ever get a chance to vote on leaving the EU. Are you saying that 1) English businesses will be hit hard by the loss of free access to the EU and 2) negative sentiment will hit our financial system? If so I thought that Farage had already successfully obliterated Clegg on these issues along the lines, briefly, of EU economies are going down the tubes and they can hardly afford to alienate one of the biggest economies in the world as they have more to lose than us by volume of trade and 2)our financial system will be free of the ridiculous and resentful FTT which has been proved to be a failure wherever it's been tried. More business should accrue to London as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Ironically much of the 'Yes' campaign is based upon the fact that they won't have to live under an English Tory government. It will be interesting to see how long their socialist paradise survives up there before they have to plead for assistance. The problem with the 'No' campaign seems to be that they are concentrating on the negatives, all the nasty things that are going to happen if they leave the Union. In this respect it is similar to all the scaremongering tactics used by the 'In' campaign with regard to the EU. Scaremongering like some of the posters employed by UKIP in the European elections? "26 million people in Europe are looking for work. Who's job do you think they're after?" perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 You seem to be employing the scaremongering tactics that are driving Scots into the 'Yes' camp One of the main factors driving people into the 'Yes' camp is the possibility of a potential future UK exit from the EU. There is no appetite for that in Scotland whatsoever. Every minute Farage and the like spend north of the border campaigning for 'No' increases the possibility that the split will happen. IMO this is exactly what he wants and I imagine he will celebrate this outcome almost as much as the nationalists!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 One of the main factors driving people into the 'Yes' camp is the possibility of a potential future UK exit from the EU. There is no appetite for that in Scotland whatsoever. Every minute Farage and the like spend north of the border campaigning for 'No' increases the possibility that the split will happen. IMO this is exactly what he wants and I imagine he will celebrate this outcome almost as much as the nationalists!! When did Farage campaign for a No vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 When did Farage campaign for a No vote? Quite recently. I think it was a pretty bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Can't find anything on him travelling up to Scotland and campaigning for a No vote. He went up for the Euro elections, and Salmond employed his rent a mob. Then again his rent a mob have been turning up for the bigger Better Together rallies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 And now that pasty faced **** Osborne is talking about giving the scots extra powers... Why ? Until we have English MPs only voting on English only matters, devolution can do one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Can't find anything on him travelling up to Scotland and campaigning for a No vote. He went up for the Euro elections, and Salmond employed his rent a mob. Then again his rent a mob have been turning up for the bigger Better Together rallies. I beg your pardon. I thought this had happened. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29003017 Still think it won't be a very good idea... BTW the head of Ukip Scotland sounds a right laugh! He's even got a comedy name... http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/21/arthur-misty-thackeray-uk_n_4636540.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 One of the main factors driving people into the 'Yes' camp is the possibility of a potential future UK exit from the EU. There is no appetite for that in Scotland whatsoever. Every minute Farage and the like spend north of the border campaigning for 'No' increases the possibility that the split will happen. IMO this is exactly what he wants and I imagine he will celebrate this outcome almost as much as the nationalists!! But if they vote 'Yes' won't they have to re-apply for membership of the EU? If so they are likely to meet with opposition from countries such as Spain who have their own problems with the Catalans and don't wish to see Scotland as a precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Gasbuster Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 But if they vote 'Yes' won't they have to re-apply for membership of the EU? If so they are likely to meet with opposition from countries such as Spain who have their own problems with the Catalans and don't wish to see Scotland as a precedent. And if they are accepted; as a new state it is mandatory they endorse the Euro. For some reason Salmond cannot / will not understand this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I've been working with a Scottish pro-independence guy (so Caledonian, he's been living in London for a decade !) He thinks it'll be a No vote. A good friend of mine is also Scottish pro-independence but has been living in this area for a long time now.. he believes his own native Scots are too stupid to vote yes so will be a no vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 And if they are accepted; as a new state it is mandatory they endorse the Euro. For some reason Salmond cannot / will not understand this I think Salmond's argument is that they are already in the EU and that they are merely splitting their existing membership in two. The noises from the EU have largely be "I don't think so you fat-faced, arrogant *****", but the SNP believe they have a legal case and will take it to the European Courts. However, they won't find this out until after the referendum so it's a hell of a gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I think Salmond's argument is that they are already in the EU and that they are merely splitting their existing membership in two. The noises from the EU have largely be "I don't think so you fat-faced, arrogant *****", but the SNP believe they have a legal case and will take it to the European Courts. However, they won't find this out until after the referendum so it's a hell of a gamble Spanish veto. No way do they want to encourage the Basques and Catalans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Spanish veto. No way do they want to encourage the Basques and Catalans. Well that's them well and truly screwed then! Personally I think they'll lose their nerve and vote No. Scots are famed for their reluctance to part with their cash - the likely prospect of an economic meltdown will put many off independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Spanish veto. No way do they want to encourage the Basques and Catalans. Which is exactly why it'll not be automatic, but I believe their argument is that they can't be stopped because they're already 'in' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I think it will be a no. Any way time to send the troops in. We beat the IRA - we can beat the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I think it will be a no. Any way time to send the troops in. We beat the IRA - we can beat the SNP. Threaten a 100% export duty on Buckfast. The Yes vote will disappear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I rarely comment on anything political, but hearing Cameron, Miliband and Clegg are missing PMQ's tomorrow and rushing up to Scotland to beg them not to leave makes my blood boil. My view is now let them ( the Scots) go. As someone just said on the radio it's like a stroppy teenager threatening to leave home and the parents promising them everything to stay. And if I did have a vote, seeing that lot in such a panic would make me vote yes to independence. If they don't want me to do it then there must be a good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 What an amazing opportunity the Scots could have. Instead they have the hugely uninspiring bureaucrat Salmond with no innovative ideas or direction. You can have your own sovereign nation and do what you want! Why go for the pound and keep everything the same except the few things you don't want? Looking at the fact the Yes/No has been so evenly split independence would be a purely political win - not one the people were actually calling for or wanting in the the first place. Dull debates by dull MPs saying the same crock I imagine they have said decades. A horrible vote to cast and choose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I caught my missus watching Hamish Macbeath, is that grounds for divorce?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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