Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I thought you French people loved the Scottish! I am a UK tax payer and I don't want to fund this nonsense, it's becoming another English surrender, sooner or later English people will have to actually ask why are we funding stuff that is only available to one section of our precious union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 it's getting really silly now, in his panic Cameron and co. offering Scots far too much and England will be funding it. Scotland already enjoys benefits that England doesn't and he is offering them more FFS and he still wants to allow Scots MP's vote on strictly English issues, you couldn't make it up. **** em. Give them more powers, fine. But if that's the case then the rest of us should get our own developed powers and a fair share of the funding so we're no longer beholden to London. The lack of balance in things like transport infrastructure is terrible; Scotland, London and Wales get much more than any other region of the UK In other news, this made me laugh http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11098624/SNP-Government-planning-half-a-billion-pounds-of-NHS-cutbacks-leaked-dossier-reveals.html . After weeks of claims that the SNP are the only people who'll protect the NHS, they're doing exactly the same as the others. A new type of politics, Alex? Really?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 it's getting really silly now, in his panic Cameron and co. offering Scots far too much and England will be funding it. Scotland already enjoys benefits that England doesn't and he is offering them more FFS and he still wants to allow Scots MP's vote on strictly English issues, you couldn't make it up. **** em. Esmond, you have hit the nail square on the head...when England & Scotland signed the Union back when they were more or less equal. Clearly Scotland is no equal of England these days, indeed the Welsh contribute more to the UK than the moaning ***** north of the border. Personally all the anti English shit they sprout is ****** me off. Im no Englishman, but they ***** are rapidly making me into one. Englands voters now HAVE to have our own parliament making decisions about English issues and nobody else having any say in our affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Esmond, you have hit the nail square on the head...when England & Scotland signed the Union back when they were more or less equal. Clearly Scotland is no equal of England these days, indeed the Welsh contribute more to the UK than the moaning ***** north of the border. Personally all the anti English shit they sprout is ****** me off. Im no Englishman, but they ***** are rapidly making me into one. Englands voters now HAVE to have our own parliament making decisions about English issues and nobody else having any say in our affairs. Personally, I favour regional assemblies and a federal solution. It works very well for Germany. However in the short-term, John "the Vulcan" Redmond came up with a reasonable compromise which is when the HoC sits to discuss issues that only affect England, non-English MPs are barred. It would in effect be an English parliament for those sittings, without the cost and faff of creating a separate institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Personally, I favour regional assemblies and a federal solution. It works very well for Germany. However in the short-term, John "the Vulcan" Redmond came up with a reasonable compromise which is when the HoC sits to discuss issues that only affect England, non-English MPs are barred. It would in effect be an English parliament for those sittings, without the cost and faff of creating a separate institution. Yes but it seems to not to be on the table for any of the party leaders, it's looking like we have offered them terms of surrender, so the only loser is England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bend it like brian Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 if the yes vote wins dose that mean the jock wont be able to post on here anymore and tell us how good willy mcpussy is...TF4T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I am a UK tax payer and I don't want to fund this nonsense, it's becoming another English surrender, sooner or later English people will have to actually ask why are we funding stuff that is only available to one section of our precious union. Without knowing to much about it, I wonder what would happen if the English were given a vote to go it alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Without knowing to much about it, I wonder what would happen if the English were given a vote to go it alone? Dream on apart from general elections when was the last time the English actually had a chance to vote on anything that actually might change their lives or even something the English might even believe in, the bottom line England will be subsidising the Scots even more than we do now, whether there is a yes or a no vote, only one winner and only one loser, Scotland will end up with a health, welfare and education system that will be superior to England's and the English will be paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Dream on apart from general elections when was the last time the English actually had a chance to vote on anything that actually might change their lives or even something the English might even believe in, the bottom line England will be subsidising the Scots even more than we do now, whether there is a yes or a no vote, only one winner and only one loser, Scotland will end up with a health, welfare and education system that will be superior to England's and the English will be paying for it. What would crease me up would be if Scotland votes yes and immediately Shetland (who are voting no in some numbers) asked for a referendum to leave. With all the oil rights! Sounds far-fetched, but there has been talk of it up there apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 17, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I guess it may be the final nail in the coffin from celtic and Rangers joining any English league if they go off on their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Betfair already paying out on a No vote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/leisure/11098848/Betfair-pays-out-early-on-Scottish-independence-No-vote.html Bookies are so rarely wrong on this that the only one I recall is one who paid out on a ?Man Utd title win when they messed it up one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I think the "Yes" vote had its peak a couple of weeks ago. Shame for them that they couldn't provide any substance to their take on big issues like currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Scottish people don't realise within the UK they are effectively a world power, outside of it they will be as powerful as Norway. No NATO, no Nuclear arms status, no G7 membership, and no security council place. Whether they care for that I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Broadly speaking the Scots want Socialism whereas the English generally speaking prefer free market Capitalism. One is needed to pay for the other so it will be interesting to see how the Scots get on with forming their own Socialist Utopia if they vote 'Yes'. Hope they have as much luck with it as M. Hollande over the Channel. For me I'll be glad to see the back of the English hating whingers who already get a great deal out of the Barnett formula, which even its creator Mr. Barnett has recently stated is unfair and embarrassing. Haven't been up there for ages and no intention to do so in the future, or indeed ever. Scotch has gone on the 'no-buy' list along with Argentinian whine. The promises of self-appointed president of a federalist UK, Gordon Brown, and the grovelling 'Vow' of Cameron, Clegg, and Milliband have been cringeworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 which ever side wins joe public loses, also there will be a riot as this has split the country (Sctoland) with some on both sides getting rather nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Scottish people don't realise within the UK they are effectively a world power, outside of it they will be as powerful as Norway. No NATO, no Nuclear arms status, no G7 membership, and no security council place. Whether they care for that I have no idea. There was an item on the news last night which claimed an independent Scotland will be the 14th richest country in the world. Even if they meant GDP per head, I cannot believe that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 There was an item on the news last night which claimed an independent Scotland will be the 14th richest country in the world. Even if they meant GDP per head, I cannot believe that ? according to the scots yes, but what they don't take into account is they will actaully have to pay for welfare, nhs, education, defense, railways, road network, air travel, the list goes on and on, all this is paid by the uk tax payer and westminster, they really don't know what they are getting into with independance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 There was an item on the news last night which claimed an independent Scotland will be the 14th richest country in the world. Even if they meant GDP per head, I cannot believe that ? Would be interesting to see how much of that wealth is made through defence procurement and investment. That will head south. That leaves oil, whisky and tourism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Would be interesting to see how much of that wealth is made through defence procurement and investment. That will head south. That leaves oil, whisky and tourism. Whatever happens their tourist industry will be taking a massive knock from all the "Yes" campaign's thuggery. I doubt Scotland will be on any sane English person's holiday list for at least the next five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Whatever happens their tourist industry will be taking a massive knock from all the "Yes" campaign's thuggery. I doubt Scotland will be on any sane English person's holiday list for at least the next five years. I work their fairly frequently. Not looking forward to it one bit, so yeah you could well be right on people's desire to visit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Football Referendum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wINvpqTBpu0&list=UU6ZADqemUEOxHKWV42WFgEQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Whatever happens their tourist industry will be taking a massive knock from all the "Yes" campaign's thuggery. I doubt Scotland will be on any sane English person's holiday list for at least the next five years. The "Anyone but England" campaign during the 2010 WC didn't help, although I have to say that individual Scots were very friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Right then, thank god we're nearly finished with this debate. Bored stiff myself, they are a total irrelevance to us in the South West. All far to up their arses over their own self-importance. However, to get me through the next 48 hours....... Prediction Time!!!!!!!!! Me, as the champion of Rob F's first ever 'Guess the Crowd' competition, it'll be .......drum roll..........55.4% No's, 44.6% Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Independence for Wessex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Independence for Wessex! The Mercians will have something to say about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Mercians will have something to say about that! Thee Mercian Peoples Front to be precise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I remember the Wessex Regionalists being on a ballot paper once. What was that about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Scottish people don't realise within the UK they are effectively a world power, outside of it they will be as powerful as Norway. No NATO, no Nuclear arms status, no G7 membership, and no security council place. Whether they care for that I have no idea.Would someone tell me exactly what this country gains from a Security Council place? As far as I can see it gives us the right to vote with the USA on every conceivable issue and costs us billions in inter-governmental aid to keep that place. Come on, you don't think the money we send to third-world governments is out of the kindness of HMG's heart, do you? If it was, they'd give it to Oxfam and MSF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 International aid is essentially a bribe for influence and business links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Predicting 51.9% No, 48.1% Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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