Cowshed Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/165169-club-kit-and-colours/ Working in an organsisation that is based on consultation I find Dave L's remarks bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Why does it have to be kept a secret....is it to stop the Chinese pumping out cheap copies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyderiup Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Why does it have to be kept a secret....is it to stop the Chinese pumping out cheap copies This was exactly my first thought. Maybe someone can offer a genuine reason I am missing other than copying and potential snides but I can't see that happening OR people buying knock-offs. Lets be honest, it isn't a Barcelona kit is it? Why it can't be a supporter chosen design as the season progresses I don't know. It could even be quite fun doing a bit at the time. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 It's insane, I really don't understand why all football clubs lower down the leagues don't let their paying customers vote for what they will buy. Provide say 5 designs and everyone on the BCFC database has one vote, thus avoiding rival fans taking the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I am unable to post into that forum, but could someone please ask what the consequences are of details of an upcoming kit being, as Dave calls it, "leaked"? I don't mean to be facetious in asking that, by the way, but I just don't see what impact it has on anything or anyone. Perhaps I speak out of turn, but I imagine for most fans if they like the shirt they'll buy it, and if they don't like the shirt they won't. How, when or where they find out what that shirt is like is completely irrelevant. I hope someone can convince me that there's more to this than a handful of people working in marketing and commercial being a bit precious, because I really don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 How very dare these fans representatives and fans networks talk to other fans about the kit of their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotham Brow Red Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 So the club or people working on behalf of the club supposedly "leak" details like its red with the crest on so the innocent fans basically get told to jog on. Dunno why we bother sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 It's insane, I really don't understand why all football clubs lower down the leagues don't let their paying customers vote for what they will buy. Provide say 5 designs and everyone on the BCFC database has one vote, thus avoiding rival fans taking the piss.I think they did this with Everton's new crest. Two options were dogshit, I mean, they were actually an image of a dog taking a shit and the third was what 95% of people voted for - the one they've got. Don't know why the secrecy, though. Just seems like silly authoritarianism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 This is a City were its largest professional club goes largely unnoticed by its populace. BS - BCFC should be opening its arms to fan involvement, and looking for ideas for improvement. Fans are not the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotham Brow Red Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 This is a City were its largest professional club goes largely unnoticed by its populace. BS - BCFC should be opening its arms to fan involvement, and looking for ideas for improvement. Fans are not the enemy. 100% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I hope someone can convince me that there's more to this than a handful of people working in marketing and commercial being a bit precious, because I really don't see it. I didn't really follow it all, but wasn't this year's shirt the time they drip fed spoiler photos of parts of the shirt? If so I suspect they were a bit peed that someone gave details of it up front. Although that has its merits as a launch, if you have gone through a City style consultation process and shown designs/pre-production stuff to a self selecting group of fans then it is unlikely it will stay confidential. Better to accept it will leak and think of a promotional campaign around that if it is what you want to do. I would have been more pissed off that the purple & lime theme was leaked so early. Think of the impact if it wasn't known about until the team came out onto the pitch at Sheffield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 My take is that some fans were consulted / shown potential shirts and this info was put out on social media, meaning the club couldn't reveal as an exclusive when final design was decided. From my point of view, I wouldn't buy a shirt if they were giving them away(?) Those who do buy deserve a say in what they are buying, otherwise the club is failing to exploite their potential market fully. Or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 My take is that some fans were consulted / shown potential shirts and this info was put out on social media, meaning the club couldn't reveal as an exclusive when final design was decided. From my point of view, I wouldn't buy a shirt if they were giving them away(?) Those who do buy deserve a say in what they are buying, otherwise the club is failing to exploite their potential market fully. Or am I wrong? Having been in the football business for over a hundred years and having sold replica shirts for many of the last decades, I am amazed they don't know what will sell and that they need to consult at all. However if it was me I would consult someone in the fashion industry, as they are essentially fashion items, and find out where the market was heading - retro? tight fit? loose fit? etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Dave L did himself instigate a thread discusing the gap between fans and club. One of the conclusions was that supporters of the FC, the reason the FC exists should be consulted on kit selection. BS, or BCFC now disagree. The decision there highights why that gulf exists between the FC and sections of fans. Fans should be the club, not faceless suits who often are only here for the salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 DaveL in another pr gaffe. Surely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Why does it have to be kept a secret....is it to stop the Chinese pumping out cheap copies You can imagine Beijing feel purple & lime about the current situation in Hong Kong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 It's insane, I really don't understand why all football clubs lower down the leagues don't let their paying customers vote for what they will buy. Provide say 5 designs and everyone on the BCFC database has one vote, thus avoiding rival fans taking the piss. And they can sell all five shirts. Who cares what "shirt" the team play in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Wonder what our average replica shirt sales are per season..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Wonder what our average replica shirt sales are per season..? 2 000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Dave L did himself instigate a thread discusing the gap between fans and club. One of the conclusions was that supporters of the FC, the reason the FC exists should be consulted on kit selection. BS, or BCFC now disagree. The decision there highights why that gulf exists between the FC and sections of fans.Fans should be the club, not faceless suits who often are only here for the salary. 51% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Just remembered that the leader of the Tooting Popular Front is a Fulham fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 DaveL in another pr gaffe. Surely not. He has indicated he thought fans should be involved in kit selection. As the club liaison he may have been instructed to provide only the clubs view. That view itself is uneven. If the fans on the fans network cannot be trusted the purpose of FAN is more than questionable. As for BS. Moving away from Adidas was being sold as offering more flexibilty on kit design. That flexibilty offers an opportunity to do what other clubs cannot and turn the team kit into a true fans kit. An opportunity that BS - BCFC don't think fans are worthy of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Having been in the football business for over a hundred years and having sold replica shirts for many of the last decades, I am amazed they don't know what will sell and that they need to consult at all. However if it was me I would consult someone in the fashion industry, as they are essentially fashion items, and find out where the market was heading - retro? tight fit? loose fit? etc. Are you saying I don't have any fashion sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 INSPIRED BY BS as a marketing slogan does not have the same ring to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Having been in the football business for over a hundred years and having sold replica shirts for many of the last decades, I am amazed they don't know what will sell and that they need to consult at all. However if it was me I would consult someone in the fashion industry, as they are essentially fashion items, and find out where the market was heading - retro? tight fit? loose fit? etc. Not sure of this myself,just say on average they sell as Sweden said 2000....would a better or poorer design make that much difference to sales only a certain fan will buy and wear a shirt. As long as it's red & white and not too horrendous i imagine sales are pretty much the same (purple&lime aside) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Are you saying I don't have any fashion sense? Not if you wear a replica shirt, particularly outside a football stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Not sure of this myself,just say on average they sell as Sweden said 2000....would a better or poorer design make that much difference to sales only a certain fan will buy and wear a shirt. As long as it's red & white and not too horrendous i imagine sales are pretty much the same (purple&lime aside) I would suspect that if it was an unfashionable design then people wouldn't buy, but would stick to their favourite design from previous seasons. Not that I am a fashion junkie, but vintage/retro seems to be a trend at the moment so our shirt having that feel would seem to have been the right way to go to encourage people to buy the latest shirt. I seem to remember quite a few comments dissing the offerings from the major manufacturers as being a bit last year and ordinary and they weren't going to buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Surely fans should have 100% say in what their team wears...otherwise you might as well be like a certain owner at Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I would suspect that if it was an unfashionable design then people wouldn't buy, but would stick to their favourite design from previous seasons. Not that I am a fashion junkie, but vintage/retro seems to be a trend at the moment so our shirt having that feel would seem to have been the right way to go to encourage people to buy the latest shirt. I seem to remember quite a few comments dissing the offerings from the major manufacturers as being a bit last year and ordinary and they weren't going to buy them. Take your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Surely fans should have 100% say in what their team wears...otherwise you might as well be like a certain owner at Cardiff. I think the basic cut, fit and trimming of the shirt is somewhat different from changing the colour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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