spudski Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I think the basic cut, fit and trimming of the shirt is somewhat different from changing the colour! I don't think it's as simple as that... Seriously...would any fan have voted for the collar we have now? Maybe the design...but not the material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I don't think it's as simple as that... Seriously...would any fan have voted for the collar we have now? Maybe the design...but not the material. I thought the shirt was very popular and well received? Weren't the issues manufacturing? And all anyone would vote on would be the design, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I thought the shirt was very popular and well received? Weren't the issues manufacturing? And all anyone would vote on would be the design, wouldn't it? I'd be interested to know how many they sell of them before they flog em for a tenner. The purple and lime will probably sell more numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Those who do buy deserve a say in what they are buying A idea that the club once shared with "Your City, Your shirt".http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/20130927-yourshirt-1079905.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 You think that you would get a consensus ? YES .. No mixture of drugs could explain away the extrordinary BTC guffer design years back. Poor Dave Cotterill never smiled again. Moral: Don't leave the suits with crayons unsupervised.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 The only justification I can give for Dave L's comments is that previews of the home/ away/ third shirts are sent to potential sponsors way before they are ever sent to fans. If fans start leaking information about kit colours, particularly the away/ third kits, then sponsors may be a little upset/ put off emblazoning their logo on the kit. All in all though, that is pretty petty to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 The only justification I can give for Dave L's comments is that previews of the home/ away/ third shirts are sent to potential sponsors way before they are ever sent to fans. If fans start leaking information about kit colours, particularly the away/ third kits, then sponsors may be a little upset/ put off emblazoning their logo on the kit. All in all though, that is pretty petty to be honest. If information is so sensitive at these Fan Network meetings the Supporters present should be signing confidentiality agreements as they would at focus groups used by other businesses. BS should be solution focused rather than petty and mean spirited. The idea of having a shirt "inspired by fans" etc is more than sound. It is where fans can easily be involved in THEIR club. It is an easy gain for BS to make more of and explore further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 You think that you would get a consensus ? In any case, I would think that the vast majority wouldn't give a toss about the kit, maybe on here but out in the real world as long as the kit is identifiable with City most couldn't give a toss about design. It's all a bit daft stressing about a football shirt tbh. I beg to differ. If that was the case, manufacturers wouldn't go to great lengths to make new designs every season. They would just keep to the same one if it didn't make a difference. I don't but modern football shirts, as I don't like them...I hate advertising....but obviously it is a lucrative market. Listening to people down the pub discussing the look of kits and whether they would buy them also makes me think it does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 When we gave a popular shirt as in the purple and lime, the club will not make anymore even though they are in charge of production now. How much money are they now losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 People like different things, so there is no way "the fans" as a whole can decide on a design. The club should listen to ideas & feedback and go with what seems most popular. This us what they have done. Where is the problem..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 If you are a moderator you can completely remove your own post, rather than edit it out then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneManMob Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Meh, I think a bigger problem is we moved to a "non brand" which is more expensive and also unable to provide enough kits that are demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 If you are a moderator you can completely remove your own post, rather than edit it out then? Mods and admin can edit/remove anyone's posts yes. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Meh, I think a bigger problem is we moved to a "non brand" which is more expensive and also unable to provide enough kits that are demanded. What, unlike the great Adidas fiasco??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 What, unlike the great Adidas fiasco??? Moving to our own brand was suppose to remove the problems that we had with Adidas and other suppliers. It hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneManMob Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Moving to our own brand was suppose to remove the problems that we had with Adidas and other suppliers. It hasn't. This, we also have the problem where the club released an away strip let people buy it and have now seemed to make it the 3rd kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Also major problems with the supply of Bristol Rugby shirts. Hardly a glowing success story but I guess it can kind of be excused in the first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Mods and admin can edit/remove anyone's posts yes. Why? A post appeared, by a moderator, which I was going to quote and reply to but the system wouldn't let me. I came out to go back in and see if that cured the problem but the post had disappeared completely! I was just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I don't know anything about the other mods post, but as far as I'm concerned the only info I ever read as a fan was the home shirt was going to be red (obviously) and it would have a collar. It was also stated that 'people would love it' and 'it is sort of retro'. I'm very surprised and disappointed if the club uses this 'leak' to prevent fans from having any input into the shirts in the future, we may as well have just stayed with Adidas and had the stock design thrust upon us. I'm not sure either if the club won't use the leak excuse to prevent fan input into ground design in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneManMob Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'm very surprised and disappointed if the club uses this 'leak' to prevent fans from having any input into the shirts in the future, we may as well have just stayed with Adidas and had the stock design thrust upon us. You think we left Adidas due to anything apart from the fact we could make more money doing it our self? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 You think we left Adidas due to anything apart from the fact we could make more money doing it our self? No, money is king in this football business. Look how popular the purple and lime shirts are, they could have sold out 10 times over, and this is because of fan demand which would not have been possible with Adidas or other big brands. Maybe these shirts are too popular and the 'proper' away and maybe the home shirts aren't selling? I'm sure one of the reasons though the shirt manufacturer was sold to us was the fact we (club & fans) could have more input into design and delivery deadlines, cost was obviously high up the list when the club negotiated the contract too. But I remember comments at the time that the shirts weren't as competitively priced as hoped but there were deals for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 People like different things, so there is no way "the fans" as a whole can decide on a design. The club should listen to ideas feedback and go with what seems most popular. This us what they have done. Where is the problem..? A quick browse of SC&T surveys highlights fans of City like those of any other club do reach a consensus on many topics. Involving fans in "Your City, Your shirt" was trumpeted as a success. The shirt was advertised as "inspired by the fans", or something similar. Due to the FAN, the group you take part in BS - BCFC listening to ideas and reacting to feedback on kit design will cease. That appears short sighted and ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It's a dangerous game this. Give an inch and people want a mile. I don't know of how many FL clubs involve fans in kit design (even once), but I'd wager it's not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It's a dangerous game this. Give an inch and people want a mile. I don't know of how many FL clubs involve fans in kit design (even once), but I'd wager it's not many. I don't know of how many FL clubs involve .. Numerous, it is not unusual. Bristol City fans in the past have voted on kit designs and club badge. http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/20130927-yourshirt-1079905.aspx What has changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 That appears short sighted and ? And? Dave L's response is quite ambiguous. I have no idea what it means. It doesn't state there is is no consultation, it doesn't state there is consultation. It just says the club is pretty pissed off someone shot their mouth off and the fans may be consulted in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I don't know of how many FL clubs involve .. Numerous, it is not unusual. Usually if you ask people what they want, they want what they know, not what they don't know. There is a risk you get stuck in a rut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 And? Dave L's response is quite ambiguous. I have no idea what it means. It doesn't state there is is no consultation, it doesn't state there is consultation. It just says the club is pretty pissed off someone shot their mouth off and the fans may be consulted in some way. Its states they are "already" in the early stages of "design" and it "could" be that fans are involved further down the line. Compare that to "Your City, Your shirt"? The only ambiguity is who WE are now is. BS or BCFC? The WE does not involve the fans of BCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneManMob Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It's a dangerous game this. Give an inch and people want a mile. I don't know of how many FL clubs involve fans in kit design (even once), but I'd wager it's not many. Alot of clubs do. If anything we are one of the few that does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Alot of clubs do. If anything we are one of the few that does not No I mean design, not 'here's 4 kits, pick one'. That's not involvement in the design at all. But it's something we could easily see still, Dave L's ambiguous comments say nothing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It's a dangerous game this. Give an inch and people want a mile. I don't know of how many FL clubs involve fans in kit design (even once), but I'd wager it's not many. Can you articulate what the dangerous effects have been of involving fans in kit selection and design in the past at Bristol City, and at the involvement of fans at too numerous to mention clubs in all four divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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