Monkeh Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Nah that's rubbish fans will turn up if we are playing at a higher standard. That's the problem of we got to the top flight the place will be filled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Why would they now find it inappropriate when it has been a regular fixture at games for quite a few years? Even featured in the Well Red programme, seems a bit of a overreaction and another step to sanitisation in my book. Because we've never been asked before? I've always been uncomfortable with Ultras flags at my club, if I'm honest because I certainly do associate it with far right tendencies abroad. So for that reason I agreed with the ban. I don't like censorship generally, but I'd ban swastikas etc - and this has similar connotations for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Because we've never been asked before? I've always been uncomfortable with Ultras flags at my club, if I'm honest because I certainly do associate it with far right tendencies abroad. So for that reason I agreed with the ban. I don't like censorship generally, but I'd ban swastikas etc - and this has similar connotations for me. Agree with this. As said by others I understand the passion behind the name and I believe those behind it have no intention of being affiliated with far right groups. However, as the poll shows, more than a handful of people do associate it with violent football hooligans so the club made a good call in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Post Rovers match flags in the Eastend still featured the word Ultra. On matchday while the flags were in place the stand would undergo a safety inspection. A large banner featuring the word Ultra would have been clearly in sight. You have rather an aggressive looking robin there pal could you not change it for a nicer one; another thing the noise some fans make bit loud don't you think? do you not know the H&S BS rules on noise levels? finally if you don't like our flavour of the moment regs please jog on. Stupid maybe but could come anytime soon, the latest couple of incidents happened in only a few days and leave a sour taste and I fear for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Because we've never been asked before? I've always been uncomfortable with Ultras flags at my club, if I'm honest because I certainly do associate it with far right tendencies abroad. So for that reason I agreed with the ban. I don't like censorship generally, but I'd ban swastikas etc - and this has similar connotations for me. You are a sucker for what the media feed you. Do your own research, and come back and tell me for sure that the 'Ultra' movement is entirely right-wing fascism. In fact, don't even do your own research, there are multiple posts on this very thread which will tell you that you are wrong. As for the final sentence - wow!! Just wow!! An "East End Ultra's" flag is similar to flying a swastika. Wow!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The dastardly red Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Dave, your reply says more about you, the club and Bristol Sport than it does any of the fan groups. There was a spot of bother - call it an all out riot if you like, makes no difference to the point - at a game and as a consequence you ban the word "Ultras", a word which is used by fans only to display their fanaticism of Bristol City and nothing else? Tell me, when was this ban announced? I really do feel sorry for anyone that would have such a perverted thought process. and how did yours lead you to scream "vote ukip" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Agree with this. As said by others I understand the passion behind the name and I believe those behind it have no intention of being affiliated with far right groups. However, as the poll shows, more than a handful of people do associate it with violent football hooligans so the club made a good call in my opinion. A handful of people believe they've been abducted by aliens, does that mean they are correct in their beliefs or possibly mistaken? On the other hand, those that are aware of the term that's used for and by, our supporters, know that it is most definitely not a term for violent, right wing fascists, or left wing anarchists intent on spreading discord and hatred. I know how the club work to a degree and there will be posters supporting the club who have been asked to do so, as well as those that blindly follow whatever the club choose to do. I think that the majority of fans are fed up to the back teeth of being supressed by one body or another and would not care a jot about this so called flag of violence and hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 and how did yours lead you to scream "vote ukip" ? Ah, poor love. Does it make you feel uncomfortable that someone has a non-mainstream view? So uncomfortable that you'll feel the need to back your own view by proceeding to call him a racist, fascist, bigot, narrow-minded, sexist uneducated fool. Go on, you know you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 A handful of people believe they've been abducted by aliens, does that mean they are correct in their beliefs or possibly mistaken? On the other hand, those that are aware of the term that's used for and by, our supporters, know that it is most definitely not a term for violent, right wing fascists, or left wing anarchists intent on spreading discord and hatred. I know how the club work to a degree and there will be posters supporting the club who have been asked to do so, as well as those that blindly follow whatever the club choose to do. I think that the majority of fans are fed up to the back teeth of being supressed by one body or another and would not care a jot about this so called flag of violence and hatred. I don't believe one in four people believe they have been abducted by aliens... That theory is in no way comparable. You say that it is not a term for violent, right wing fascists yet if you google the term 'ultras' it shows pictures of violent football hooligans and takes you to links of the groups that 25% of the people on this forum associate the word with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't believe one in four people believe they have been abducted by aliens... That theory is in no way comparable. You say that it is not a term for violent, right wing fascists yet if you google the term 'ultras' it shows pictures of violent football hooligans and takes you to links of the groups that 25% of the people on this forum associate the word with. So the extent of your research is to search google images??? You can do better than that pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't believe one in four people believe they have been abducted by aliens... That theory is in no way comparable. You say that it is not a term for violent, right wing fascists yet if you google the term 'ultras' it shows pictures of violent football hooligans and takes you to links of the groups that 25% of the people on this forum associate the word with. I just ran a google image search for WMD's, and it brought back lots of pictures of Saddam and Iraq - even though no WMD's were ever found in Iraq. Isn't it amazing what people believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 A handful of people believe they've been abducted by aliens, does that mean they are correct in their beliefs or possibly mistaken? On the other hand, those that are aware of the term that's used for and by, our supporters, know that it is most definitely not a term for violent, right wing fascists, or left wing anarchists intent on spreading discord and hatred. I know how the club work to a degree and there will be posters supporting the club who have been asked to do so, as well as those that blindly follow whatever the club choose to do. I think that the majority of fans are fed up to the back teeth of being supressed by one body or another and would not care a jot about this so called flag of violence and hatred. I do not buy the conspiracy theory I am afraid, and would suggest for the vast majority of fans this has passed them by, and they are delighted with the success on the pitch. This whole issue just seems plain silly in my mind. There is a hard cord of support however, who want a different experience. They are feeling somewhat disenfranchised, and let's be honest, they are the ones who from a distance seemed to have worked their nuts off to try and create some atmosphere in the ground, and try a few new things. Are they the 'silent majority'? Almost certainly not. Is there room for them anymore? I would bloody hope so, and that they are embraced by the club. I also just do not see the link between this group and the 'nutters brigade'. This flag is in many ways trivial, but maybe to them more of a much wider symptom? There needs to be room for us all in the new world. I am still confident there will be, and I hope BSs learning curve is a sharp one. It seems a huge over reaction to have banned this flag. Some of the reactions to that have been, well, OTT as well. We have a choice. Either BS are so out of touch, and want to sanitise the whole thing completely, in which case involvement will ultimately be pointless. Or their heart is in the right place, they are very new, and making some duff decisions on the way, alongside some good ones. We surely simply have to accept for now it's the latter, and look to help shorten their learning curve. If it's the former, we are screwed anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Agree with this. As said by others I understand the passion behind the name and I believe those behind it have no intention of being affiliated with far right groups. However, as the poll shows, more than a handful of people do associate it with violent football hooligans so the club made a good call in my opinion.So you accept the people with the Ultras flags mean no harm, but nevertheless feel it is right to persecute them because people who you know are wrong think they do mean harm.At least Do Good Dave and his gang appear to think there is something genuinely sinister about Ultras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't believe one in four people believe they have been abducted by aliens... That theory is in no way comparable. You say that it is not a term for violent, right wing fascists yet if you google the term 'ultras' it shows pictures of violent football hooligans and takes you to links of the groups that 25% of the people on this forum associate the word with. I suppose I had to do it. Google Image Search for Ultras. The first 50 pics contained 4 depicting violence and 1 depicting a right wing salute. The rest were alive with colour and passion. So I suppose it depends what you're looking for doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't understand why some posters are saying, that because approx 25% of people who have voted think the ultra flag ban is a good thing, then the other 75% should think the same . Are you mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Aside from the obvious argument, I don't think the Ultras are elitist. They don't perceive themselves to be 'better' than other fans. More it is an expression of love for the club. 'We love Bristol City'. Clearly the feeling isn't mutual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Nah that's rubbish fans will turn up if we are playing at a higher standard. Don't ever apply for the job of fans rep, unless it's at Manchester United or some other ubiquitous modern branded sports outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Because we've never been asked before? I've always been uncomfortable with Ultras flags at my club, if I'm honest because I certainly do associate it with far right tendencies abroad. So for that reason I agreed with the ban. I don't like censorship generally, but I'd ban swastikas etc - and this has similar connotations for me. You associate the word "ultra" with swastikas and the far right? seriously? When you see the Palace Ultras you must think its like a Nurumberg rally! Again, like a few others in this thread (incl. DaveL) you need to learn what the culture is and not just associate it with mad Russian skinheads or Lazio fans stabbing people in the arse Ultra culture is about showing devotion to your club, no matter what, usually in the form of unrelentless chanting and displays. What you are thinking of is something called "football hooliganism" which is a different thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Agree with this. As said by others I understand the passion behind the name and I believe those behind it have no intention of being affiliated with far right groups. However, as the poll shows, more than a handful of people do associate it with violent football hooligans so the club made a good call in my opinion. Your logic is all fuzzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamon Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 At least last time they waited for a "complaint" even if it was imaginary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 The East end ultras flag is now actually a nazi flag from the Eagles Nest no doubt sewn together by the riechsfuhrer rather than barmy flags. I'm really surprised at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I've always been uncomfortable with Ultras flags at my club, if I'm honest because I certainly do associate it with far right tendencies abroad. So for that reason I agreed with the ban. I don't like censorship generally, but I'd ban swastikas etc - and this has similar connotations for me. I've always been uncomfortable with fans using the word Leveller at my club, if I'm honest because I certainly do associate it with people with radical left wing tendencies in UK society, and those who want a stateless autonomous society based on anarchist principles. So for that reason I say ban. I don't like censorship generally, but I'd ban the colour black etc - and this has similar connotations for me. See how crass that sounds. Even the word crass has an extreme libertarian and political connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted January 28, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 DL: This is not about 'suits' versus the people. It's about BCFC (and Bristol Sport) making a very clear statement about its values. We are a family club who welcome everyone to Ashton Gate, young and old, and encourages support in all its varied forms, providing it stays within the law. For that reason, the word 'Ultras' has no place at Ashton Gate." Fuck me, which "government" banned the word Ultras? Oh, that's right none of them. So it IS about "suits" versus the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Reminds me of when Di Canio did the Roman Salute to his Lazio fans and everyone said it was National Socialist salute to their "far right" supporters. - it may well have been, but people should read history in full, not just the last 100 years or what suits their political thought. Bet when you watch Ben Hur at Christmas or Easter, you'll be ringing the network complaining of what you've just seen when the Soldiers greet each other. People are quick to want a ban on those items, but not so quick on the other side of the spectrum, the hammer and sickle, the clenched fist etc, after all, communism has murdered more than Nazism ever did. End of the day, seeing fans express their love for their club in a more energetic atmospheric way is excellent to see. Galatasaray, Napoli etc spring to mind straight away, it's wonderful to see and brings a whole different dimension to supporting their club. Those who decide to sit quietly can do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 DL: This is not about 'suits' versus the people. It's about BCFC (and Bristol Sport) making a very clear statement about its values. We are a family club who welcome everyone to Ashton Gate, young and old, and encourages support in all its varied forms, providing it stays within the law. For that reason, the word 'Ultras' has no place at Ashton Gate." **** me, which "government" banned the word Ultras? Oh, that's right none of them. So it IS about "suits" versus the people. Yep, I picked up on that. Ultras on a flag does "stay within the law" so therefore the entire reason for banning it seems unjustified. For the record Dave L, left wing ultra groups: St Pauli (Germany) Borussia Dortmund (Germany) Livorno (Italy) Bologna (Italy) Omonia Nicosia (Cyprus) Sampdoria (Italy) Standard Liege (Belgium) Bilbao (Spain) Hapoel Tel Aviv (Israel) Vasco de Gama (Brazil) Could add in Barca and Celtic probably too...but there are many, many more across Europe and the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 DL: This is not about 'suits' versus the people. It's about BCFC (and Bristol Sport) making a very clear statement about its values. We are a family club who welcome everyone to Ashton Gate, young and old, and encourages support in all its varied forms, providing it stays within the law. For that reason, the word 'Ultras' has no place at Ashton Gate." No it's about some ignorant exec's arse twitching with steve in the stand. 'The values of Bristol sport'. So they are making rules up as they go along now. I suppose the big question is - and I think we already know the answer to this - would the flag have been removed had the bbc cameras not been there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old parkender Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Yep, I picked up on that. Ultras on a flag does "stay within the law" so therefore the entire reason for banning it seems unjustified. For the record Dave L, left wing ultra groups: St Pauli (Germany) Borussia Dortmund (Germany) Livorno (Italy) Bologna (Italy) Omonia Nicosia (Cyprus) Sampdoria (Italy) Standard Liege (Belgium) Bilbao (Spain) Hapoel Tel Aviv (Israel) Vasco de Gama (Brazil) Could add in Barca and Celtic probably too...but there are many, many more across Europe and the world. I think it's now quite clear that Dave Lloyd and bristol sport have made fools of themselves by making a statement about something they clearly have no idea about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Has there been anything official from the club or BS, other than the responses from DL on here? If not then I'm finding the lack of communication a little worrying. Is this a sign that they don't care what we're thinking, saying on here, and I'm guessing other social media outlets? I hope that there is a company out there with Ultra in their name, who offers a shitload of money to have their name splashed all over the ground tomorrow night......would (for example) Ultra Electronics be different to having a flag with Ultra on there? Same word, same meaning.....I guess someone has probably said this already, I can't remember all the posts on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Has there been anything official from the club or BS, other than the responses from DL on here? If not then I'm finding the lack of communication a little worrying. Is this a sign that they don't care what we're thinking, saying on here, and I'm guessing other social media outlets? I hope that there is a company out there with Ultra in their name, who offers a shitload of money to have their name splashed all over the ground tomorrow night......would (for example) Ultra Electronics be different to having a flag with Ultra on there? Same word, same meaning.....I guess someone has probably said this already, I can't remember all the posts on here! On the flip side has anyone contacted the club asking about it other then on here? If they haven't the club won't feel a need to respond officially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I've always been uncomfortable with fans using the word Leveller at my club, if I'm honest because I certainly do associate it with people with radical left wing tendencies in UK society, and those who want a stateless autonomous society based on anarchist principles. So for that reason I say ban. I don't like censorship generally, but I'd ban the colour black etc - and this has similar connotations for me. See how crass that sounds. Even the word crass has an extreme libertarian and political connection. Seriously? You'd ban the colour black?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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