Jeremy Corbyn

[BCFC Jimmer]

It has always been that way unfortunately and I don't expect it will change anytime soon.

That's the attitude!

 

[Calculus]

Just reality I'm afraid. Remember that? Politics is a rough trade, highly competitive and it matters. Personally I think that our leaders having to appear in Westminster each week and cope with all comers is a good thing. Some of the abuse gets OTT but both parties have indulged in this over the years. Ed Balls, John Prescott and Dennis Healey were particularly adept. The Beast of Ballsover isn't exactly kind at all times. Anybody that can't cope with what goes on there is not going to be the stuff that a PM needs to be.

Corbyn can cope with it or not. Personally the sooner the Labour Party ditch this dodo the better off the opposition and the country will be....

[Super]

Amazed so many take this bloke seriously.

[The Bard]

People have realised that Labour aren't going to win an election.  Picking Corbyn makes sense as he represents the roots of the labour party (Social Justice, fairer economics) as opposed to trying to look like softer Tories.  

They sold their soul, at least their trying to recover that.

[Nogbad the Bad]

Amazed so many take this bloke seriously.

Let's be honest, very few people do.

[Portland Bill]

Amazed so many take this bloke seriously.

I'm genuinely interested to know why you think this.

Or is it the case that he's not a robotic, lying politician like Cameron or the biggest incompetent ( the borrowing one) one of all, Osbourne!

Imo, it's just nice to have a leader who is honest and sticks to his beliefs.

[BCFC Jimmer]

Amazed so many take this bloke seriously.

Let's be honest, very few people do.

Lets hear why then chaps.  If you can provide any better reasoning then the ignorant stuff we have heard so far then I would be delighted to listen.

[Portland Bill]

Lets hear why then chaps.  If you can provide any better reasoning then the ignorant stuff we have heard so far then I would be delighted to listen.

I'd be amazed if it wasn't just sound bites of the tv, or the papers they read.

Or perhaps they don't like honest politicians!!!

[Sixtyseconds]

Amazed so many take this bloke seriously.

Well the right yesterday starting laughing and slapping their thighs when a point was made about people not being about to afford homes during PMQ's.

Further guffaws were made regarding.temporary emergency accommodation.

Hoots for £450,000 being an affordable abode.

Well done the Tories ... The bubble of Westminster in its glory ... I hope this Corbyn chap can strip it bare.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

I'd be amazed if it wasn't just sound bites of the tv, or the papers they read.

Or perhaps they don't like honest politicians!!!

Hasn't he got the worst approval rating of any opposition leader in history?.

[Ashtonboy]

We're not talking about STARTING a nuclear war, we are talking about RETALIATION.

If Al Qaeda or Islamofascist State set off a dirty bomb in London, or other U.K. city, then yes, there should be retaliation.

Saying what he did is akin to saying to these scumbags "whatever atrocity you commit, we won't give it to you back".

Gives them a green light, completely the wrong message to send out. 

So, if ISIL let off a dirty bomb in London, what part of the Middle  East would we nuke, Syria, South east Turkey, parts of Iraq, or go for North Africa and Libya!

[Portland Bill]

Hasn't he got the worst approval rating of any opposition leader in history?.

I wouldn't have a clue E's, wouldn't surprise me, with how the bbc and the other right wing media are trying to portray him.

Unfortunatly people don't listen to what HE says, but they listen to what they are being told about him. 

But that's the UK in 2015, people can't make up their own minds, they let tv and the right wing press do it for them.

Intrestingly though, the polls show Labour have had quite a resurgence.

 

[Kid in the Riot]

Amazed so many take this bloke seriously.

Let's be honest, very few people do.

Anyone else remember seeing similarly dismissive comments about Nigel Farage about 18 months before he creamed off over 4 million votes at the General Election?

[Sixtyseconds]

Hasn't he got the worst approval rating of any opposition leader in history?

If tens of thousands of comrades joining his vision of Labour is approval then yes.

And that is what is hurting some.

You can smell the resentment.

Its yoof joining the Noo Noo Labour.
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Yoof that will knock on doors.

Yoof to put up things called arguments on doorsteps, in colleges, on social media highlighting things Tories don’t want the unwashed to know about like debt and Income inequality and the stench of selfish hypocrisy.

Yoof with zest.

Yoof with intellect.

The non dom tax avoiding neo con media will be lining up the black ops big slur campaign financed by big bizzness ...

[Esmond Million's Bung]

I wouldn't have a clue E's, wouldn't surprise me, with how the bbc and the other right wing media are trying to portray him.

Unfortunatly people don't listen to what HE says, but they listen to what they are being told about him. 

But that's the UK in 2015, people can't make up their own minds, they let tv and the right wing press do it for them.

Intrestingly though, the polls show Labour have had quite a resurgence.

 

Really?, the one I saw today shows them 8 or 9% points behind the tories.

Bill i'm glad you and other real labour supporters are happy and I am glad that there is actually clearwater between the parties, on the bright side for you it only took labour 4 defeats last time to realise there was only one way to win an election, if you can't beat 'em join 'em.

Boy and if the BBC don't like him, he's doomed I tell ye doomed.

Anyway i've sent my question to him earlier today, so I will be eagerly watching PMQ's next week.

Anyone else remember seeing similarly dismissive comments about Nigel Farage about 18 months before he creamed off over 4 million votes at the General Election?

and 1 MP, which under the current tory rule the system is unlikely to change and hasn't Farage fallen out with his 1 MP.

 

[BUTOR]

Corbyn is capturing the youth.

 

doesnt matter if you don't like him, if Corbyn keeps the kids on board then Labour will win the next election convincingly.

these are a generation of kids that will have never of had the chance to vote against the Tories but have royally been ****** over by them.

One things for sure, if the Tories keep on sniggering at serious issues surrounding working people then they can wave goodbye to those extra votes. Giggling conservative children with no clue of the problems people like me are facing because of them. 

Corbyn by is a breath of fresh air, and I like it. 

 

 

[Red-Robbo]

Hasn't he got the worst approval rating of any opposition leader in history?.

So what? The election isn't until 2020. Assuming Cameron can keep his slender majority until then.

The opinion polls meant jackshit on election night, and I'd personally not give them any credence now.

About as reliable as the weather forecast.

 

("won't be raining in London tonight" *grumble grumble*)

[Portland Bill]

Really?, the one I saw today shows them 8 or 9% points behind the tories.

Bill i'm glad you and other real labour supporters are happy and I am glad that there is actually clearwater between the parties, on the bright side for you it only took labour 4 defeats last time to realise there was only one way to win an election, if you can't beat 'em join 'em.

Boy and if the BBC don't like him, he's doomed I tell ye doomed.

Anyway i've sent my question to him earlier today, so I will be eagerly watching PMQ's next week.

and 1 MP, which under the current tory rule the system is unlikely to change and hasn't Farage fallen out with his 1 MP.

 

The BBC are having to tow the Tory line, they are scared to upset them because the BBC charter is up for renewal.

Its a sad day when a public our public broadcaster is getting threats from the current government, democracy eh!

[Red-Robbo]

The BBC are having to tow the Tory line, they are scared to upset them because the BBC charter is up for renewal.

Its a sad day when a public our public broadcaster is getting threats from the current government, democracy eh!

But they're so left-wing Bill.....  what with having a Tory as the head of their governors (BBC Trust) who took over from another Tory (and former Thatcher minister); a former head of the Federation of Conservative Students as their political editor; a guy who was head of the Murdoch-owned Conservative-supporting Times as head of News; and his mate from the Times as his deputy. And of course their "flagship" current affairs programme Newsnight being presented until recently by another self-declared Tory. Oh and of course David Cameron's head-of-spin is the corporation's previous head of editorial balance!

Just a batch of lefties. 

[BCFC Jimmer]

Looks to me that thousands, or possibly millions of Tory voters are starting to realise they were 'duped' in the election. Surprise surprise!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tearful-woman-confronts-tory-minister-over-tax-cuts-during-question-time-a6696286.html

When will people learn.

 

[chipdawg]

Looks to me that thousands, or possibly millions of Tory voters are starting to realise they were 'duped' in the election. Surprise surprise!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tearful-woman-confronts-tory-minister-over-tax-cuts-during-question-time-a6696286.html

When will people learn.

 

The brazen manner in which te Tories have turned on the people who voted them in is both disgusting and unsurprising, but 5 years (well, 4 and a half now) is a long time in politics and people will get used to the changes and forget. 

For all the rhetoric about immigration and benefits, after the NHS I think that 'in work' poverty is the biggest issue facing this country. The immigration debate plays into the hands of Tory socio-economic policy in many respects; if we can make people feel that immigration is a factor in why they struggle to make ends meet every month (and that's not to say that's the only concern people have about immigration or that concerns are not valid), they'll be distracted from the fact that we've created tens of thousands of jobs that simply don't pay enough to cover the cost of living in this country. It's a real problem for them in my opinion going forward. People are going to start to notice that what they say they've done and what they've actually done, are different things

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Looks to me that thousands, or possibly millions of Tory voters are starting to realise they were 'duped' in the election. Surprise surprise!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tearful-woman-confronts-tory-minister-over-tax-cuts-during-question-time-a6696286.html

When will people learn.

 

Just as a matter of interest, when did the UK last have a government who didn't dupe the people? and yes when will people learn?, 3 elections in the case of Tony Blair who duped every labour voter in the UK.

Every democratic government in the world dupes it's electorate and reneges on some or many of it's manifesto promises, it's what they say to get elected and then comes out with some bullshit reason why it has happened.

and who will be duped if Corbyn wins the next election?, the people who will pay for his tax and NI rises, the middle class the very people who will almost certainly decide his fate, not the rich for they will continue to salt their riches away and there is nothing he will be able to do about it, so the middle class will be bled dry to cover the shortfalls, it's what always happens when a 'socialist' government is in power.

of course they could always try a 97% tax on the rich, that worked last time. 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

The brazen manner in which te Tories have turned on the people who voted them in is both disgusting and unsurprising, but 5 years (well, 4 and a half now) is a long time in politics and people will get used to the changes and forget. 

For all the rhetoric about immigration and benefits, after the NHS I think that 'in work' poverty is the biggest issue facing this country. The immigration debate plays into the hands of Tory socio-economic policy in many respects; if we can make people feel that immigration is a factor in why they struggle to make ends meet every month (and that's not to say that's the only concern people have about immigration or that concerns are not valid), they'll be distracted from the fact that we've created tens of thousands of jobs that simply don't pay enough to cover the cost of living in this country. It's a real problem for them in my opinion going forward. People are going to start to notice that what they say they've done and what they've actually done, are different things

Chip you could be talking about new labour in the same context, they are all the same, promise the shit out of themselves to get elected and then 5 years of excuses, they are all the same.

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What amazes me is the current argument about running a budget surplus.

The amount of people that actually think this is a 'bad' idea!!!

It's no difference to your own household:-

If you spend more than you earn over the years, you WILL go bankrupt.

Labour only get away with this because every 10 years or so, they know they will be in opposition, and some other poor sods have to balance the books.

It's easy to spend, spend, spend (just look at my Mrs), but it takes determination and sense to save for a rainy day.

"Simples" or what?

 

Uncle TFR

[chipdawg]

Chip you could be talking about new labour in the same context, they are all the same, promise the shit out of themselves to get elected and then 5 years of excuses, they are all the same.

Absolutely. And before that you could say that about any government that preceded New Labour. It's part of the issue with our electoral system (I'll not go into that again!) but as Labour aren't in power at the minute, my ire is reserved for the Conservatives

[chipdawg]

What amazes me is the current argument about running a budget surplus.

The amount of people that actually think this is a 'bad' idea!!!

It's no difference to your own household:-

If you spend more than you earn over the years, you WILL go bankrupt.

Labour only get away with this because every 10 years or so, they know they will be in opposition, and some other poor sods have to balance the books.

It's easy to spend, spend, spend (just look at my Mrs), but it takes determination and sense to save for a rainy day.

"Simples" or what?

 

Uncle TFR

Actually, conventional economic wisdom says the opposite is true TFR- which makes Osborne's hard-on for a surplus all the more strange

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/18/why-you-should-love-government-deficits/

That's a very simple (perhaps overly simplified) explanation in Forbes (obviously using the US as the example, but the point stands) but explains the basic accountancy principal

If you have more time on your hands, read this fascinating rebuttal of austerity by Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Absolutely. And before that you could say that about any government that preceded New Labour. It's part of the issue with our electoral system (I'll not go into that again!) but as Labour aren't in power at the minute, my ire is reserved for the Conservatives

Exactly my point in my reply to Collis, asking for the last UK government who never 'duped' the people.

You might be right about the electoral system, but I believe that what turns most people off of politics is the voting against 'everything' just because it's a policy of the other party is quite honestly absurd and that and is destined to become worse, vote with your heart and what you believe not your rosette, surely thats democracy?, it's something that i've never understood, voting against something that you actually agree with because you have been ordered to do so is not democracy and never will be.

[chipdawg]

Exactly my point in my reply to Collis, asking for the last UK government who never 'duped' the people.

You might be right about the electoral system, but I believe that what turns most people off of politics is the voting against 'everything' just because it's a policy of the other party is quite honestly absurd and that and is destined to become worse, vote with your heart and what you believe not your rosette, surely thats democracy?, it's something that i've never understood, voting against something that you actually agree with because you have been ordered to do so is not democracy and never will be.

I agree, but when you have an electoral system which renders the vast majority of votes irrelevant and only two parties who can ever acquire meaningful 'power', choices are somewhat limited and the incentives are low. Other than for 3 months around an election, it's basically a back-and-forth tantrum between the red kids and the blue kids without anyone to keep them honest. That is very much a product of the system and it's deeply ingrained 

The 'Party Whip' is another reason I believe in both electoral reform and regional devolution. How can my MP in Sheffield truly represent me if she is forced to vote in line with party policy made in and for London? 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Actually, conventional economic wisdom says the opposite is true TFR- which makes Osborne's hard-on for a surplus all the more strange

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/18/why-you-should-love-government-deficits/

That's a very simple (perhaps overly simplified) explanation in Forbes (obviously using the US as the example, but the point stands) but explains the basic accountancy principal

If you have more time on your hands, read this fascinating rebuttal of austerity by Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion

Ah a differing economists view there's a surprise, a bit like does god exist IMO.

 

[BCFC Jimmer]

Exactly my point in my reply to Collis, asking for the last UK government who never 'duped' the people.

You might be right about the electoral system, but I believe that what turns most people off of politics is the voting against 'everything' just because it's a policy of the other party is quite honestly absurd and that and is destined to become worse, vote with your heart and what you believe not your rosette, surely thats democracy?, it's something that i've never understood, voting against something that you actually agree with because you have been ordered to do so is not democracy and never will be.

I'd agree that a lot of voters were also duped by New Labour. 

But not on the extent of the current government where millions of poorer members of society voted Tory with the assumption that things would get better for them.  That was always codswallop.

The fact that Tories are still coming out with soundbites like, "the family for working people" whilst enforcing the tax credit cuts etc is beyond parody.