Fordy62 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I've followed the case of this trial as it goes on and I've just got to say that in my opinion there are no many cases in which I'm more confident that a guilty verdict will be returned on all counts for both defendants. The defendants exchanged texts about kidnapping Watts, they watched a youtube video "so you want to get rid of a body" on the day after her death and their DNA is all over the place. A horrible, horrible case and I would bet my mortgage that both will get their comeuppance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-34700044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 The only real thing for debate is the length of sentence, i reckon he might get 35+yrs and shell get 15-20yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 She will get less because she was clearly controlled and was not the main plotter of the plan (most likely). I'm usually very lenient on my opinions when it comes to court cases and fair treatment of those accused, but agreed, this looks like a blatant guilty verdict for those 2. As for those who transported the body, I'm still unsure at the moment as to how aware they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Terrible awful disgusting and shocking crime, somehow made worse as its happened on our doorsteps ... R I P Becky. Does anyone else think the amount of police evidence released to the media during the case has been a little strange? ... Photos, Videos of custody interviews and crime scenes pre-verdicts while case is still underway? ... Can't recall any previous cases where so much has been made public so soon -within hours of it being presented in the trial and before any verdicts reached. (No doubt regarding guilt in my mind but - if an accused defendant (not necessarily in this case but generally) was to eventually be found not-guilty after police interviews etc were released so openly and publically would the 'innocent' defendant have a case regarding invasion of human rights/privacy etc ? ....) Just seems a little odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 6 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: Terrible awful disgusting and shocking crime, somehow made worse as its happened on our doorsteps ... R I P Becky. Does anyone else think the amount of police evidence released to the media during the case has been a little strange? ... Photos, Videos of custody interviews and crime scenes pre-verdicts while case is still underway? ... Can't recall any previous cases where so much has been made public so soon -within hours of it being presented in the trial and before any verdicts reached. (No doubt regarding guilt in my mind but - if an accused defendant (not necessarily in this case but generally) was to eventually be found not-guilty after police interviews etc were released so openly and publically would the 'innocent' defendant have a case regarding invasion of human rights/privacy etc ? ....) Just seems a little odd to me. It all comes from the media. It a high profile case and so there is a lot of media interest. The media are allowed to be present in court and so they report on what they hear. It isn't different to any other case in that respect. It's the same in any other murder trial but I wonder if you're perhaps taking more interest with its local connections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 27 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It all comes from the media. It a high prmile case and so there isoonlot of media interest. The med.ia are allowed to be present in court anrestrictionseport on what they hear. It )isn't different to any other case in that respect. It's the same in any other murder trial but I wonder if you're perhaps taking more interest with its local connections? Sadly very local to me so interest around here is v high. Obviously press media always report almost word for word what said in open court (unless judge places reporting restictions) in high profile cases. The release of police interviiews of suspects during initial investigations video recorded at the station are what seems a bit unusual, I might be wrong but I thought that kind of thing goes public on occassion after the conclusion of high profile trials. Seems a bit different getting so much in media so soon in this case, but like you say it could be due to local interest in this case that its been noticed, a couple of friends also had same thoughts though so Im not alone. Maybe as through your job experience you'll know more and can throw some light on if it is indeed just normal, or if the police specific evidence has been a bit more open than normal in this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Please before I say anything else, I want to make it clear I am not sticking up for Shauna at all. If you read this article though, it shows you what a shite upbringing she had had, and how controlled she was by him. I fully agree that she was involved in Becky's death and don't believe her version of events that she didn't help him at all, but having gone through what she had before she met him, you can see why she has ended up in the situation she has. It was an abusive relationship which she should have sought help for, but probably didn't think she deserved any better given her life before she met him. http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-Watts-Shauna-Hoare-takes-stand-evidence/story-28084545-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 11 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: Please before I say anything else, I want to make it clear I am not sticking up for Shauna at all. If you read this article though, it shows you what a shite upbringing she had had, and how controlled she was by him. I fully agree that she was involved in Becky's death and don't believe her version of events that she didn't help him at all, but having gone through what she had before she met him, you can see why she has ended up in the situation she has. It was an abusive relationship which she should have sought help for, but probably didn't think she deserved any better given her life before she met him. http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-Watts-Shauna-Hoare-takes-stand-evidence/story-28084545-detail/story.html Like all these things - if you go back and look through their upbringings and personal lives I am sure you will find evidence of mistreatment or other social problems. I don't believe that people are born to be callous murderers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 1 hour ago, WhistleHappy said: Sadly very local to me so interest around here is v high. Obviously press media always report almost word for word what said in open court (unless judge places reporting restictions) in high profile cases. The release of police interviiews of suspects during initial investigations video recorded at the station are what seems a bit unusual, I might be wrong but I thought that kind of thing goes public on occassion after the conclusion of high profile trials. Seems a bit different getting so much in media so soon in this case, but like you say it could be due to local interest in this case that its been noticed, a couple of friends also had same thoughts though so Im not alone. Maybe as through your job experience you'll know more and can throw some light on if it is indeed just normal, or if the police specific evidence has been a bit more open than normal in this case? I can't honestly say I've ever known the video of an interview to be released before the verdict, are you saying you've seen one? Reporting on what was said by the defendants in interview would definitely be allowed but I really can't imagine that A&S would have released the videos. In fact I'm sure that they wouldn't. What exavtly have you seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 The police videos of their interviews are being shown regularly during our local tv news @Fordy62. They are only shown however after they have been shown in court, ie if Shauna Hoare was being questioned that day it seems we are then shown police video of her. There is a lot of local interest in this case, now 5 weeks into a 6 week trial. Verdicts are expected next Friday, the 13th I am told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 50 minutes ago, RedM said: The police videos of their interviews are being shown regularly during our local tv news @Fordy62. They are only shown however after they have been shown in court, ie if Shauna Hoare was being questioned that day it seems we are then shown police video of her. There is a lot of local interest in this case, now 5 weeks into a 6 week trial. Verdicts are expected next Friday, the 13th I am told. Wow. I can honestly say that unprecedented as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Has anyone else found the minute by minute updates on facebook by the post a bit distasteful? I appreciate that there is a high level of interest in his awful case but it feels like many of the reports could have been merged. The cynic in me says that it's done for clicks to make more money from advertisement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 3, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 12 hours ago, Collis1 said: Like all these things - if you go back and look through their upbringings and personal lives I am sure you will find evidence of mistreatment or other social problems. I don't believe that people are born to be callous murderers. I would disagree, I have met several people who have killed in what would be described as cold blood, they expressed no remorse and could not be described as having been mistreated or with social problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 2 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said: I would disagree, I have met several people who have killed in what would be described as cold blood, they expressed no remorse and could not be described as having been mistreated or with social problems. Read the Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson, MR? It's great. It details how an estimated 1.5% of us can be officially categorised as psychopaths - totally lacking any sort of human empathy. Of course, not all of those murder people. Many are ruthless businesspeople or politicians. Fascinating stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 4, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Not read that, I will search it out, its a subject that interests me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 6 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: It's great. It details how an estimated 1.5% of us can be officially categorised as psychopaths - totally lacking any sort of human empathy. That explains a lot with some of the women I have dated over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 @Fordy62 you may know the answer to this....I see a police convoy pretty much every day on my way to and from work, one van, two cars in front, two behind, blues and twos bombing down the M5 Could this be one of the defendants in this case, it's the only one I can think of going on right now? Think they get on and off at Tewkesbury I think, south in the morning, north in the afternoon Just wanted to flash the bird at the sick **** if it's one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 13 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said: I would disagree, I have met several people who have killed in what would be described as cold blood, they expressed no remorse and could not be described as having been mistreated or with social problems. Yes indeed they are sociopaths and are now distinguished totally from psychopaths or to be more precise cycle paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1 hour ago, Woodsy said: @Fordy62 you may know the answer to this....I see a police convoy pretty much every day on my way to and from work, one van, two cars in front, two behind, blues and twos bombing down the M5 Could this be one of the defendants in this case, it's the only one I can think of going on right now? Think they get on and off at Tewkesbury I think, south in the morning, north in the afternoon Just wanted to flash the bird at the sick **** if it's one of them Long Lartin is a cat A mens prison Evesham/Wocester way. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the main defendant isn't travelling from there daily which is quite usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 40 minutes ago, RedM said: Long Lartin is a cat A mens prison Evesham/Wocester way. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the main defendant isn't travelling from there daily which is quite usual. Of course, good knowledge M! That makes sense, I'll def flick the bird next time then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 4, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 5 hours ago, Woodsy said: @Fordy62 you may know the answer to this....I see a police convoy pretty much every day on my way to and from work, one van, two cars in front, two behind, blues and twos bombing down the M5 Could this be one of the defendants in this case, it's the only one I can think of going on right now? Think they get on and off at Tewkesbury I think, south in the morning, north in the afternoon Just wanted to flash the bird at the sick **** if it's one of them It's not related to the Becky Watts case, but an even higher profile case. There is a 100% press ban on this case so you won't hear anything until it is over - it's actually been going on for a number of weeks longer than the Becky Watts case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 6 minutes ago, phantom said: It's not related to the Becky Watts case, but an even higher profile case. There is a 100% press ban on this case so you won't hear anything until it is over - it's actually been going on for a number of weeks longer than the Becky Watts case Terrorism? That`s normally the ones where we don`t hear anything till it`s done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 7 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Terrorism? That`s normally the ones where we don`t hear anything till it`s done. Not always. It can be all sorts of crimes when some defendants have already been convicted or have pleaded guilty, but others still dispute the charges. The big abuse case in Easton is a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 15 minutes ago, phantom said: It's not related to the Becky Watts case, but an even higher profile case. There is a 100% press ban on this case so you won't hear anything until it is over - it's actually been going on for a number of weeks longer than the Becky Watts case Ah, ok - I'll keep my eyes and ears open to see what you are alluding to, Phants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 On 11/4/2015, 4:38:57, phantom said: It's not related to the Becky Watts case, but an even higher profile case. There is a 100% press ban on this case so you won't hear anything until it is over - it's actually been going on for a number of weeks longer than the Becky Watts case Yep thought the exact same thing and I'm 90% sure what you're alluding to. I think some people might be able to work it out if they think about it, but yeah, I had to do some research myself after seeing it every day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 15 hours ago, nebristolred said: Yep thought the exact same thing and I'm 90% sure what you're alluding to. I think some people might be able to work it out if they think about it , but yeah, I had to do some research myself after seeing it every day! Thought it might be related to a Cliff R type investigation, then hey presto up he pops in the news being questioned for a second time... Can only think of a Celebrity/Saville type case or 'Islamic State' recruitment/activity, nothing particularly 'local' comes to mind though. Oh well, cant help being curious ... Unlikey to have guessed correctly, maybe if someone who knows can 'cough' or give a virtual wink if close/warm on right track etc? ... Intrigued to find out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 On 11/2/2015, 5:34:12, Fordy62 said: I've followed the case of this trial as it goes on and I've just got to say that in my opinion there are no many cases in which I'm more confident that a guilty verdict will be returned on all counts for both defendants. The defendants exchanged texts about kidnapping Watts, they watched a youtube video "so you want to get rid of a body" on the day after her death and their DNA is all over the place. A horrible, horrible case and I would bet my mortgage that both will get their comeuppance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-34700044 Its cases like this where one can be excused for feeling the death penalty is a just punishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 28 minutes ago, BigTone said: Its cases like this where one can be excused for feeling the death penalty is a just punishment I'm not sure I disagree. The audacious bollocks he's dared to come up with makes me think he'd be a prime candidate. I wouldn't be surprised for the jury to return in less than a day. What utter bollocks defences they've come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 @Woodsy I've no idea re your above question. An entourage like that suggests something very high profile... But the two defendants don't strike me as the most likely candidates to be busted out by their mates. I wonder if @phantom is right, but frustratingly I've no idea what he's talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: @Woodsy I've no idea re your above question. An entourage like that suggests something very high profile... But the two defendants don't strike me as the most likely candidates to be busted out by their mates. I wonder if @phantom is right, but frustratingly I've no idea what he's talking about! I'm not sure that breaking out is the worry but somebody breaking in to get at them is more likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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