Nomad Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just now, Red Exile said: Thing is…even if this happened do we think anyone running the club would give two hoots? I'm not sure we're supporting a club where the people in charge care a great deal about what the folk on the terraces think. We serve a function…and that function is not offering advice... I'm sure you are right and the elite that run the club see us as plebs (much like politicians do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 5 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: The thing is, if ( let's say) Newcastle offered us 10 million for Kodja today, would be let him go tomorrow, or wait until later in January when we could line up a replacement? It's obvious that we would wait isn't it. So, if we have bid 5 million for ( let's say) a Walsall striker, they would do exactly what we would do and get a replacement before selling to us, this would be later in January. People on here need to take a deep breath and calm down, the January transfer window goes on for the whole month! Not if Newcastle said it's 10 million now because we want him to play Saturday . There are valuable points on offer during the month of January that we would more chance of getting if we could bring in new faces to boost the team .The poor buggers are taking hammerings physically and mentaly they need help and now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Red Exile said: Thing is…even if this happened do we think anyone running the club would give two hoots? I'm not sure we're supporting a club where the people in charge care a great deal about what the folk on the terraces think. We serve a function…and that function is not offering advice... We can try though... The events of this season are so incredibly strange, its almost as if a 5 year old has been making the decisions... Lets get some bloody answers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just now, Nomad said: I'm sure you are right and the elite that run the club see us as plebs (much like politicians do). I'm not sure they'd be so crude…far too polite…and indeed nice people...but deep down they're not interested in what we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: We can try though... The events of this season are so incredibly strange, its almost as if a 5 year old has been making the decisions... Lets get some bloody answers!! I don't think we'll ever get answers…think back to the Coppell fiasco... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 18 minutes ago, Selred said: Yes it completely backfired in the summer; especially with Kermogant. I'm just hoping Bournemouth sign El Shaarawy ASAP and we see some early movement for him. I'm hoping the summer shambles won't happen again, but not so sure. My main concern is Cotterill is waiting for more high profile players again hence why these deals take longer; rather than the likes of MK Dons and Preston who are signing IMO poorer quality players like Cox, Robinson, Adam Reach, James Husband. Feels like a badly written black comedy at the moment. Our budget, whatever it is, is at least on a par with most of those who are our real competitors right now, and well in excess of a couple of them. There are teams under transfer embargoes that seem to have signed more players than us this season! Cotts seems to want to hold out for starlight, and from a distance seems to be in a mexican standoff with those holding the purse strings. Seriously, is it all the Boards fault because as a newly promoted team we did not fork out £6m or whatever and £25k a week on one player?!!? What is so difficult? Cotts, here is your budget. Build the best squad you can within that, like every other bloody manager has to do. Are we seriously, seriously suggesting that we are the only club that cannot attract players that add to the squad, within what we are prepared to pay, but Charlton, Rotherham, Preston, Huddersfield, MK can? Tosh. We do not need to outbid Derby, Blackburn etc for players, just our competitors! It seriously is beyond a joke. If football is about momentum, right now although only in the relegation zone by a thread, it feels much worse than that. Success, failure, is always to some extent a bit of a lottery. Here is a hint however - can we at least buy a bleeding ticket or two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, cityexile said: Feels like a badly written black conedy at the moment. Our budget, whatever it is, is at least on a par with most of those who are our real competitors right now, and well in excess of a couple of them. There are teams under transfer embargoes that seem to have signed more players than us this season! Cotts seems to want to hold out for starlight, and from a distance seems to be in a mexican standoff with those holding the purse strings. Seriously, it is all the Boards fault because as a newly promoted team we did not fork out £6m or whatever and £25k a week on one player?!!? What is so difficult? Cotts, here is your budget. Build the best squad you can within that, like every other bloody manager has to do. Are we seriously, seriously suggesting that we are the only club that cannot attract players that add to the squad, within what we are prepared to pay, but Charlton, Rotherham, Preston, Huddersfield, MK can? Tosh. We do not need to outbid Derby, Blackburn etc for players, just our competitors! It seriously is beyond a joke. If football is about momentum, right now although only in the relegation zone by a thread, it feels much worse than that. Success, failure, is always to some extent a bit of a lottery. Here is a hint however - can we at least buy a bleeding ticket or two! Although I agree about the budget I disagree about the players Charlton, Rotherham, Preston are signing. Poyet couldn't get in the MK Dons team, Johnson is a relegation specialist, Robinson came from us. There isn't much quality involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Not if Newcastle said it's 10 million now because we want him to play Saturday . In that scenario we may then use the same tactic on another club, but I doubt it, we would just play Nicky Morgan up front!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Lack of budget is nonsense. We have hardly any players currently on the payroll. Pick the right players, go after them and we can afford them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 57 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: But FFS, Bennett has just got a new kitchen yet despite that Cotts still couldn't persuade him to stay. Unbelieveable. whats the betting city paid for any kitchen he wanted if he thought about signing permanently,unfortunately forgetting to add 'for us' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: The thing is, if ( let's say) Newcastle offered us 10 million for Kodja today, would be let him go tomorrow, or wait until later in January when we could line up a replacement? It's obvious that we would wait isn't it. So, if we have bid 5 million for ( let's say) a Walsall striker, they would do exactly what we would do and get a replacement before selling to us, this would be later in January. People on here need to take a deep breath and calm down, the January transfer window goes on for the whole month! And this is my point; no, it isn't. This summer we released JET, let Elliot retire, sold Cunningham, loaned out Osborne, released Richards, and allowed Tavernier who'd been important cover for the still injured Little to go home (and then move to Rangers and play like a man possessed, but that is another issue...). In response, across the whole summer (markedly longer than this window, so let's stop banging on about it being a massive 23 days longer, shall we?) we brought in Kodjia, Fredericks and Robinson before the first ball was kicked - one looks to have replaced maybe JET in the goal stakes, but the other two have left. Later we added for loanees, three of whom are gone now, and only two of which played any notable part - it is negligible if they truly improved/improve us on last year (oh, and El Abd was also sent on loan, and we twice were unable to fill our bench, despite apparently having an under 21 team hidden somewhere). You think we'd wait if Newcastle came in for Kodjia with £10 million? I don't. If money is truly as tight as SC suggests, we'd need that (and fast) to strengthen - to hell with replacing him; we've got at least one warm body to fill his place in Agard (stop me if I'm saying anything that doesn't completely fit with our approach so far, please). The issue here is this; we are deluding ourselves if we think this talk of our transfer business being some colossal game of jenga is more that smoke and mirror - if it is, why are our rivals strengthening right now, and teams all across the world buying and selling inside the first 8 days of the window? And why are we always the last? Money? Please. We sanction the biggest bids in our history this summer, and while I don't imagine that money is on the table for every signing, you will never convince me we could not be stronger and benefit long term from investing that in players immediately, without all this weasel talk. 6 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: You obviously haven't understood what I wrote! I understood it perfectly, I maybe wrote the wrong thing; what I meant to point out was that while your argument is that others sell after they have the bodies in the door to cover for them, we've done as much selling as we can take, thus floating the notion that why don't we start the God-damn chain moving? SOMEONE has to buy the first player without replacing them to get the cycle you describe moving: right now, surely that should be us? Either that or it is utterly bogus concept, which if our summer is anything to go by, I think makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 19 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Some facts, then: Three loanees departed. One returned. One senior goalkeeper. 4 wins in 24 Worst goal difference in the division Third bottom Half the season gone Owner saying money is there to spend, manager saying we can't compete financially. Manager says "no" when asked if he has any irons in the fire (perhaps Cotts doesn't "get" metaphors?) Two permanent signings last "window." One of which, long since departed. Huge new stand towering over the ground. Tony Pulis is horrible You forgot that we've all lost our personal accounts manager. Oh and my bloody food vouchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 53 minutes ago, LoyalRed said: Perhaps as never intended on spending 9 or 6 million, but it may have generated more season ticket sales with these rumours I think we had sold out season tickets long before that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, Selred said: Although I agree about the budget I disagree about the players Charlton, Rotherham, Preston are signing. Poyet couldn't get in the MK Dons team, Johnson is a relegation specialist, Robinson came from us. There isn't much quality involved. Agreed, but It does highlight where Preston are, given, being kind, no more quality player for player. Robinson is a good example. Not great, but will undestand straight away the line up and his role. How much does it reduce who we can look at, given our tactics? If we rule out all traditional wide players, and bog standard competant full backs, that a fair number before we start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I think we all know the transfer window has a while til it closes....the issue is the four league that take place before it does. The earlier we strengthen the more chance we have of improving our points / position. 3 of those are at home too. i don't think the club need us telling them that, nor does it make it easier to bring in the players Cotts wants. That I guess is the gamble he (the club) is taking. I'm not sure he's got much option if the players he wants aren't likely to be available in the early part of the window....just as long as there are contingency options should those not come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, samo II said: SOMEONE has to buy the first player without replacing them to get the cycle you describe moving: right now, surely that should be us? Either that or it is utterly bogus concept, which if our summer is anything to go by, I think makes more sense. No, we aren't at the top of the chain to start the cycle. The cycle works in regards to a club buys a player, therefore can sell an unwanted player, and so on. We aren't looking to sign a player, and then have the squad size to sell who he is replacing, we solely want to bring in another. Bournemouth however can bring in a striker, meaning Kermogant isn't needed, meaning we can sign him. That's how the cycle works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think we all know the transfer window has a while til it closes....the issue is the four league that take place before it does. The earlier we strengthen the more chance we have of improving our points / position. 3 of those are at home too. i don't think the club need us telling them that, nor does it make it easier to bring in the players Cotts wants. That I guess is the gamble he (the club) is taking. I'm not sure he's got much option if the players he wants aren't likely to be available in the early part of the window....just as long as there are contingency options should those not come off. The contingency options need to run in parallel in my view. We should be trying to get lesser players in too and if we get these across the line earlier then this is far better than none at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said: clearly there otherwise we wouldn't have bid 6-9 million for players in the summer which part of it don't you guys get? we have money, or at least had it in the summer We were never going to bloody spend it because we were never offering to pay the wages that go with that sort of outlay . All it did was hoodwink the gullible fans that are unable to make up their own minds IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 9 minutes ago, samo II said: And this is my point; no, it isn't. This summer we released JET, let Elliot retire, sold Cunningham, loaned out Osborne, released Richards, and allowed Tavernier who'd been important cover for the still injured Little to go home (and then move to Rangers and play like a man possessed, but that is another issue...). In response, across the whole summer (markedly longer than this window, so let's stop banging on about it being a massive 23 days longer, shall we?) we brought in Kodjia, Fredericks and Robinson before the first ball was kicked - one looks to have replaced maybe JET in the goal stakes, but the other two have left. Later we added for loanees, three of whom are gone now, and only two of which played any notable part - it is negligible if they truly improved/improve us on last year (oh, and El Abd was also sent on loan, and we twice were unable to fill our bench, despite apparently having an under 21 team hidden somewhere). You think we'd wait if Newcastle came in for Kodjia with £10 million? I don't. If money is truly as tight as SC suggests, we'd need that (and fast) to strengthen - to hell with replacing him; we've got at least one warm body to fill his place in Agard (stop me if I'm saying anything that doesn't completely fit with our approach so far, please). The issue here is this; we are deluding ourselves if we think this talk of our transfer business being some colossal game of jenga is more that smoke and mirror - if it is, why are our rivals strengthening right now, and teams all across the world buying and selling inside the first 8 days of the window? And why are we always the last? Money? Please. We sanction the biggest bids in our history this summer, and while I don't imagine that money is on the table for every signing, you will never convince me we could not be stronger and benefit long term from investing that in players immediately, without all this weasel talk. I understood it perfectly, I maybe wrote the wrong thing; what I meant to point out was that while your argument is that others sell after they have the bodies in the door to cover for them, we've done as much selling as we can take, thus floating the notion that why don't we start the God-damn chain moving? SOMEONE has to buy the first player without replacing them to get the cycle you describe moving: right now, surely that should be us? Either that or it is utterly bogus concept, which if our summer is anything to go by, I think makes more sense. I know exactly where your coming from, but ( and it's a big but) the other club has to be willing to sell their player this early in the window. Unless we pay massively over the odds ( which incidentally doesn't worry me, as it's not my money) it's not going to happen this early. We may well have big offers in for players already, I would imagine we have, but It's all down to the selling club to decide if and when they want to sell to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 48 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: We are all getting very excited about the signing of a French third division striker who has 6 goals in 29 professional appearances Just imagine the level of excitement there would be if we signed a Welsh u21 international striker who has 6 goals from only 14 international appearances, and also has been in the full Welsh squad in the European qualification matches Oh hang on a moment ........ You forgot the bit about not able to get in oxfords team last season while on loan !!!!! Wes is not the answer IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 10 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: The contingency options need to run in parallel in my view. We should be trying to get lesser players in too and if we get these across the line earlier then this is far better than none at all. Yep, couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just now, Portland Bill said: I know exactly where your coming from, but ( and it's a big but) the other club has to be willing to sell their player this early in the window. Unless we pay massively over the odds ( which incidentally doesn't worry me, as it's not my money) it's not going to happen this early. We may well have big offers in for players already, I would imagine we have, but It's all down to the selling club to if and when they want to sell to us. I think this is perhaps where we differ: I've no faith we are in the position we describe - I think the Elliot Bennett situation speaks to that in some respects, as does our 'mad week' in the summer where we bid for Gayle and Gray. Even if it is the case, I feel that is far more risky than our postion allows for - we doubtfully look appealing, so do we want to be seen as a player's last option, or instead do as our chairman suggested but a few weeks ago and buy ambitous young talent from the lower leagues? While I believe we ideally need experience now, we need numbers more, and if we had a plan B of spending on lower league potential instead, I don't think that would hurt us now - hell; at least we'd fill a bench. Ultiamtely, this press conference felt like a shrug or defeat before the fight even got going; would rather have been ignorant of their stance if this was it, to be quite honest. This will either end up the most blindingly obvious and slow motion relegation we've ever seen, or the handful of players we have will end up being complete heroes for dragging us over the line to safety. Right now it is only hope that has me seeing this season ending with hymns not elegies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 3 hours ago, ciderup said: That makes a 27,000 stadium and the quote 'we will be competing for the Premier League next season' a total joke then! I really don't know who is at fault for the present debacle but it's a total mess! He was on about the Rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, billywedlock said: I think signing anyone of note is a long way off due to the many factors discussed. Right now our real hope is loan signings, but with a fee involved. Player is not tied to a relegated club. Look at Bennet, ok to say money was deciding factor, but I am pretty sure our league position was worth more than a passing consideration. If we could not get Bennet over the line, then we have almost no hope of signing anyone of note right now, money or no money. That we risk , in mid January of playing league games with 3 or players on the bench, is the result of serious mismanagement by all at the club. But... where is the plan B, that reflects where we are right now ? Wait until the end of Jan ? Are you joking . We have known for 3 months we are in the more, that the loan players (who contributed little) would be gone. We have Preston on Tuesday. The more this season rumbles on, the more I am dumbfounded by the foot shooting mismanagement I see. Great stadium, but not one sight of a true footballing strategy that will take us into a new era. I am talking from Academy through to the first team. From the idiotic 532 tactics, to the scouting, to the recruitment to the inability to change a game through subs . I had hoped, that after last season we had finally made a step forward. I was wrong, we have learnt nothing, have not put in place anything that will alter the status and level of this club, and risk collapsing back into L1 with yet again our tail between our legs and stories of what could have been. We should have the best academy in the South west of England, a tier 1, with the very best coaches money can buy. We should have been scouting in France, Holland and Belgium for years now (Did we actually study Southampton ???) , we need to sign players like Gayle BUT before they score 20 goals in the Championship. We should be setting up the playing style and shape of the club to match that of teams in the Prem, not a maverick approach that not one other Prem or Champ side utilises. Not just for results, but for signing players. No one else has wing backs, so we end up converting players. Nonsense . There are hundreds of full backs, but only a few players that can be wing backs for example. I simply cannot accept that all we need is little help, we are half way through, and bad luck stories are for losers (not winners SC). Excuses are long, action plans short. But right now, I have no faith the club and manager can create anything like a recovery plan to keep us up. Unpopular, but I would hire Warnock until the end of the season. Big stay up bonus. He will galvanise the team to drag out needed results, has a knowledge of players that will do a job for him at the Championship level SC clearly does not have ( as loans), he has always had a soft spot for us, lives in Cornwall and will focus us, the fans, on getting behind the team for a backs to the wall relegation fight. Excellent post, Paul. Warnock would be a fantastic choice as an interim manager and if he keeps us up you have retained Championship status and hopefully a better strategy and bigger transfer budget from the club to attract a decent successor who is able to make City a competitive force next season and the campaigns to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 5 hours ago, tts_city said: The end of the window, exactly what we feared, then it will be when the loan window opens. We have spent next to **** all on players this season, wasted money on loans who dont play and all we hear is financial constraints with a squad so thin its ridiculous. My faith in the board and manager is just about shot to pieces. Do we even have a fit defence we can field on saturday ? what if we pickup a couple of injurys ? You should change your user name to ffs_city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, robin4ever said: You forgot the bit about not able to get in oxfords team last season while on loan !!!!! Wes is not the answer IMO He did get in their team though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 And he did score a goal in 6 starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 11 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: He did get in their team though... They sent him back and he went to Cheltenham I think you will find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 minute ago, robin4ever said: They sent him back and he went to Cheltenham I think you will find So you're saying he played zero games for Oxford and scored zero goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 36 minutes ago, robin4ever said: They sent him back and he went to Cheltenham I think you will find Wasn't he called back as Oxford were playing him on the wing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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