Londoner Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, Cov 77 said: Great picture, I was convinced in the ground but after reading some of the experts on here I wondered, no longer ! Watch the highlights you'll start wondering again. Didn't need to dive but he certainly did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS13 Robin Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 In fairness the ref did play a brilliant one two with Freeman in the second half, and for what its worth from where I sat it looked a pen to me and we were all saying why would he go down when he is clear on goal or had options in the box and he is also a goalscorer ? surely he woud have taken his chance but also thought he had a good game!(tomlins not the ref} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Shtanley said: How is nobody talking about the blatant handball from Robinson in the first half? Goalbound header from JK and he stuck his fist in the way, I don't think everyone saw it but it was a clear penalty You must have been sat near me in SS, block 24, as you say a much clearer penalty than the Tomlin one. it was strange not many others saw it, I can't remember a clearer hand ball, he literally punched the ball away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 1 hour ago, gloucester robin said: In fairness the ref did play a brilliant one two with Freeman in the second half, Forgot that, **** me he was hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Was shocking, I mean we have had some bad ones this season but he really was bad. It wasn't just the two clear incidents with Tomlin and Burns, it was the fact he was giving so many inconsistent decisions towards Birmingham and allowing them to waste time. Normally back to the car by 5PM, but because of their time wasting and his stupidity didn't get there until 5:30. Shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Meh, I don't think he was too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 6 hours ago, GrahamC said: Seriously as bad as I can ever remember. No control of the game at all, allowed Birmingham to dive, time waste and moan without any response. Missed a blatant penalty to us and could easily have given another late on. A completely incompetent, biased display. Tomlin went down in installments.. Was never a penalty all day long..you can't blame the officials for our plight....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Brum are a vile team niggling fouls and constant back chat and kicking the ball away and the Ref let them get away with it. A definite penalty for Tomlin & pretty sure the Burns incident was a foul also. I missed the punch clear by the brum defender but then so did the Ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, Swede said: Brum are a vile team niggling fouls and constant back chat and kicking the ball away and the Ref let them get away with it. A definite penalty for Tomlin & pretty sure the Burns incident was a foul also. I missed the punch clear by the brum defender but then so did the Ref. Never mind that. What about when Flinty was punched in the nuts totally off the ball? The Yul Brynner lino seemed to think that was OK. Appalling officiating and I agree with the OP - that was the worst ref I've seen at the Gate for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 8 hours ago, Londoner said: I was three rows back directly in line.....tomlin turned him defender stuck his leg out tomlin took another touch then went down.....no way there was any contact clear air between and went down late....it was clear dive frim where I was. Adam Baker has tweeted photos apparently proving there was contact so it was a pen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 An incompetent buffoon of the highest order. But even worse he just came across as bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I was interested to see that this referee is from Telford outside Birmingham. I assume a referee from Portishead would never get to referee our games? BTW, by the power of Google, I see he was the lineman who missed the Pedro Mendes 40 yarder vs Roy Carroll at Old Trafford, which was several yards over the line. A number of other highlights for me: Brum player off the pitch before HT comes back on and sits down - stop game to treat him Brum player deliberately blocks quick free kick in front of their bench - nothing Carbon copy of Baker booking in second half by Brum player (late, from behind, didn't win ball) no booking Reid visibly wins ball (diverted it about 15 yards) with heavy tackle second half, free kick and a booking Late crossing opportunity for Freeman with many in box, stops game for Brum player rather than allow 2 seconds to see outcome Flint bashed in the groin right in front of the ref, visibly taken out, nothing One of our players jumping for headed clearance few minutes before full time pushed out the way no attempt to play ball, nothing... two minutes later Brum defender jumps for similar header from goal kick, climbs onto Wilbraham and then over him. Free kick to Brum Brum players surround linesman and abuse him in both halves... nothing We're all too grown up to suggest bias or fix but really....? This guy was really going for it. You knew once Fabrini came on and started diving everywhere he couldn't wait to give them all. How Tomlin gets booked but not Fabrini god only knows. BTW, this game had nothing on the reverse fixture, I was at St. Andrews (one of the 'lucky' ones not 'dispersed' by WMP) and remember saying at the time I'd never seen an English team dive as much as this lot, absolutely incredible, anyone who saw the comical half pike from their sub striker in front of the away end up there will know what I'm talking about. For a team that has been in or around the Prem for years I can't recall them buying or producing any great players, perhaps they just buy referees instead? The guy yesterday being from Telford, could definitely have got a lift back on their coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagy Mahal Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 27 minutes ago, Olé said: BTW, this game had nothing on the reverse fixture, I was at St. Andrews (one of the 'lucky' ones not 'dispersed' by WMP) and remember saying at the time I'd never seen an English team dive as much as this lot, absolutely incredible, anyone who saw the comical half pike from their sub striker in front of the away end up there will know what I'm talking about. I thought that was the ball boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 58 minutes ago, Olé said: I was interested to see that this referee is from Telford outside Birmingham. I assume a referee from Portishead would never get to referee our games? BTW, by the power of Google, I see he was the lineman who missed the Pedro Mendes 40 yarder vs Roy Carroll at Old Trafford, which was several yards over the line. A number of other highlights for me: Brum player off the pitch before HT comes back on and sits down - stop game to treat him Brum player deliberately blocks quick free kick in front of their bench - nothing Carbon copy of Baker booking in second half by Brum player (late, from behind, didn't win ball) no booking Reid visibly wins ball (diverted it about 15 yards) with heavy tackle second half, free kick and a booking Late crossing opportunity for Freeman with many in box, stops game for Brum player rather than allow 2 seconds to see outcome Flint bashed in the groin right in front of the ref, visibly taken out, nothing One of our players jumping for headed clearance few minutes before full time pushed out the way no attempt to play ball, nothing... two minutes later Brum defender jumps for similar header from goal kick, climbs onto Wilbraham and then over him. Free kick to Brum Brum players surround linesman and abuse him in both halves... nothing We're all too grown up to suggest bias or fix but really....? This guy was really going for it. You knew once Fabrini came on and started diving everywhere he couldn't wait to give them all. How Tomlin gets booked but not Fabrini god only knows. BTW, this game had nothing on the reverse fixture, I was at St. Andrews (one of the 'lucky' ones not 'dispersed' by WMP) and remember saying at the time I'd never seen an English team dive as much as this lot, absolutely incredible, anyone who saw the comical half pike from their sub striker in front of the away end up there will know what I'm talking about. For a team that has been in or around the Prem for years I can't recall them buying or producing any great players, perhaps they just buy referees instead? The guy yesterday being from Telford, could definitely have got a lift back on their coach. Telford is 33 miles from Brum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Not the best ref I have ever seen, to put it mildly, and my initial reaction, from distance, was no pen. Laws of football, decisions always go for the big teams/ teams at the top and against those at the bottom. If we'd had a penalty, on yesterday's evidence no guarantee we would have scored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_red Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Was right in front of me, although Tomlin makes the most of it there was definite contact so why shouldn't he, every team has done it against us! The pics confirm it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 2 definite penalties right in front of the South Stand. First the clear punch of the ball by Robinson on a goal bound header. And Tomlin was fouled clear as day. Referee was terrible but not unfortunately the standard is so generally so poor that it's not surprising. What really annoys me is that they let all the shirt pulling, pushing, sneaky off the ball fouls go, then punish clear, clean but hard tackles. At least he wasn't duped by Februni falling all over the place. My only consolation is that Brum didn't start with their 3 subs as much more threatening with them on the pitch. Otherwise a bunch of cynical "pros", which again seems par for the course at this level. League 1 was far more honest, even if the refs were no better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Adam Baker has tweeted photos apparently proving there was contact so it was a pen... The laws of the game state that there doesn't have to be contact for it to be a foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, RedUn said: The laws of the game state that there doesn't have to be contact for it to be a foul. I know, but I was replying to Londoner's post when he said 'it was a dive, there was no contact, no pen' - I simply stated that there was contact so it was a pen. I'm aware that 'intent to foul' can also result in a pen being awarded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 4 hours ago, Olé said: A number of other highlights for me: Brum player off the pitch before HT comes back on and sits down - stop game to treat him - Nothing the ref can do about this, unfortunately Brum player deliberately blocks quick free kick in front of their bench - nothing - could have booked him but decided to let it go, as he did the same the other way round in the second half Carbon copy of Baker booking in second half by Brum player (late, from behind, didn't win ball) no booking - Not sure which challenge you're talking about here but the Baker one was a clear yellow Reid visibly wins ball (diverted it about 15 yards) with heavy tackle second half, free kick and a booking - I thought it was a foul tbg and then Reid squared up to their player, forcing the referee too book both players as he did Late crossing opportunity for Freeman with many in box, stops game for Brum player rather than allow 2 seconds to see outcome - again the player was down with a supposed head injury. It's ****ing annoying and is cheating by Birmingham, but there's not much the ref can do Flint bashed in the groin right in front of the ref, visibly taken out, nothing - Agree with this, Donaldson was fouling Flint all game and nothing was given One of our players jumping for headed clearance few minutes before full time pushed out the way no attempt to play ball, nothing... two minutes later Brum defender jumps for similar header from goal kick, climbs onto Wilbraham and then over him. Free kick to Brum Brum players surround linesman and abuse him in both halves... nothing - Korey Smith was in the ref's face all game (as were many of our other players), and yet "nothing" was done Maybe the ref had a bad game (I really didn't think he was that bad) but it was one of those games that was hard for a referee and I don't think it helped our cause at all (and it pretty much ruined the 2nd half for us) by allowing ourselves to get drawn into a niggly, stop-start game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, roe said: Maybe the ref had a bad game (I really didn't think he was that bad) but it was one of those games that was hard for a referee and I don't think it helped our cause at all (and it pretty much ruined the 2nd half for us) by allowing ourselves to get drawn into a niggly, stop-start game. People are going over the top. Wasn't great but not nearly as bad as people making out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, roe said: Maybe the ref had a bad game (I really didn't think he was that bad) but it was one of those games that was hard for a referee and I don't think it helped our cause at all (and it pretty much ruined the 2nd half for us) by allowing ourselves to get drawn into a niggly, stop-start game. This is without doubt the most ridiculous comment on this thread. The ref was, as virtually every other poster has agreed, absolutely awful and the ratio of decisions in Brum's favour was about 80/20. As for the very first point about the guy going down injured and being pushed back on to the pitch, of course there was something the ref could have done about it. Either make him go back off for treatment or book him for ungentlemanly conduct, both of which would have made more ensue than his usual "let them get away with anything" attitude. Reid's booking wasn't even a foul and the response of their number 8 (making a huge meal of it, haranguing the ref and then starting on Reid) was what got him booked, nothing Reid did himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Londoner said: People are going over the top. Wasn't great but not nearly as bad as people making out. Respect your opinion but in 35 years of going to Ashton gate very few referees have got the whole stadium singing how rubbish he was. Compare him to the ref against Middlesborough and Lee Mason's performance against Forest and he really was bad. Perhaps the kindest thing you could say about him was he had a offday. The assessor's report on all three officials would make interesting reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 22 minutes ago, Barry Sheene said: Respect your opinion but in 35 years of going to Ashton gate very few referees have got the whole stadium singing how rubbish he was. Compare him to the ref against Middlesborough and Lee Mason's performance against Forest and he really was bad. Perhaps the kindest thing you could say about him was he had a offday. The assessor's report on all three officials would make interesting reading. That would be a great change to the rules , release the assessors report after a game. Would never happen, and I understand why, but would be good to get independent (ish) feedback after a game. I hate coming away saying the Ref was crap , sounds like excuses and cop outs , and yesterday his performance wouldn't have mattered one little bit if we had taken our chances(again). That said , the number of soft free kicks that get given against us compared to the amount of robust challenges that are allowed on City players don't seem to even out. I honestly ended up laughing at some of the decisions he gave come the tail end of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: As for the very first point about the guy going down injured and being pushed back on to the pitch, of course there was something the ref could have done about it. Either make him go back off for treatment or book him for ungentlemanly conduct, both of which would have made more ensue than his usual "let them get away with anything" attitude. Absolutely. Let the game go on and let him get treatment. Was it not MK Dons when we had Wilbs down on the halfway line but the ref did the right thing - as this one ought to have - and seen right through it and let the game carry on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoSheds Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Right in front of us Tomlin tripped def 100% pen. Heard the ref was from Telford did he travel down on the Birmingham coach maybe he would have felt arkward travelling back up with them. Also 2nd half Wes Burns pulled back last man def. straight red. Most biased ref most of the stadium singing Sh*t referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 He did get the penalty decision right though, clear dive by Tomlin. I thought it was stonewall at the time. Other than that he was crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcmike Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 22 hours ago, Londoner said: I was sat in front of tomlin and it was a dive, no contact at all and went down after the nothing challenge happened....ref was spot on there.....rest of the game dire. I thought it was a pen from where I was..........however when a player over exaggerates and goes down like he has been shot by a sniper I think it always makes refs suspicious?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Ray White said: He did get the penalty decision right though, clear dive by Tomlin. I thought it was stonewall at the time. Other than that he was crap. The video IMO says otherwise, the referee was wrong it was an appalling decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 The ref was shite. He looked weak, acted weak and he made the weak decisions. He never exerted any control on the team's and would rather ignore confronting a decision than having to deal with it. I've seen better refs at Sunday league level and I always shake their hand after a game but this guy needs his neck shaken. Terrible official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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