96 unlawfully killed / Supporters NOT Criminals (MERGED)

[Bristol Rob]

Verdicts coming in.

[Up The City!]

I'm in tears here.

[Guest]

Justice. Now take those responsible alive to the clearners.

[Red-Robbo]

The establishment cover-up by tabloid media, politicians and the original coroner as culpable as the police and Hillsborough stadium management IMO.

[Super]

crazy it took 27 years. Credit to the families that never gave up.

[Stoke_Gifford_Red]

3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

The establishment cover-up by tabloid media, politicians and the original coroner as culpable as the police and Hillsborough stadium management IMO.

Main news story on Mirror, Guardian and BBC at present. Of course, The Scum leads with the more important story of a mum who took her kid out of school for a holiday.

[Sixtyseconds]

Battle of Beanfield , Hillsborough, Miners Strike, Class war, covers ups ... Thatcher.

[Guest]

Anyone seen Kelvin MacKenzie ?

[cider head]

The right verdict and justice done RIP the 96

[Stoke_Gifford_Red]

9 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

Justice. Now take those responsible alive to the clearners.

Sadly as it has taken so long some of those responsible have now died, and even David Duckenfield is into his 70s.

By the time the legal wheels move to any prosecutions, those responsible will be even older and/or dead. 

[MichaelRobartes]

2 minutes ago, Stoke_Gifford_Red said:

Main news story on Mirror, Guardian and BBC at present. Of course, The Scum leads with the more important story of a mum who took her kid out of school for a holiday.

Beyond contempt. Disgusting liars.

So much respect for the families.

[Super]

Lets see if that disgrace of a newspaper print a public apology now.

[Wanderingred]

3 minutes ago, Super said:

Lets see if that disgrace of a newspaper print a public apology now.

To be fair to them, they already did, although it hardly makes up for the way they dragged the victims through the mud.

Anyway, finally there has been some closure. The 96 can rest in peace at last.
 

[chowie]

Well done to the families who never gave up, like I'm sure the authorities wanted them too and brush it off over time.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Super said:

Lets see if that disgrace of a newspaper print a public apology now.

They've not even tweeted the verdict, the only paper not to.  Aboslute scum.

[WhistleHappy]

.....thoughts with the families and friends who have suffered such terrible loss and endured so much pain for so long, nothing can put right the wrongs of that fateful day but I hope today's verdict will provide at least some comfort for them, and perhaps a sense of justice for their lost loved ones, ...........

Once again R.I.P for the 96 (at last, sleep well now)  ... Never to be forgotten. 

[MichaelRobartes]

2 minutes ago, Kim_il_sung said:

To be fair to them, they already did, although it hardly makes up for the way they dragged the victims through the mud.

Anyway, finally there has been some closure. The 96 can rest in peace at last.

Only after 23 years when they had very little choice. As piss poor an apology as you could possibly imagine. I wouldn't give the lying shits the steam off my piss.

['Orns]

**** the S*n, something I'm sure we can all agree on, for once

Taken way too long, but glad the families get the verdict they fought so hard for. I can only hope the people who actually are to blame get the blame and there aren't just a load of patsies lined up to take the fall

May you all rest in peace

[phantom]

QUESTION 1: Basic facts of the disaster

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Do you agree with the following statement which is intended to summarise the basic facts of the Disaster:

“Ninety-six people died as a result of the Disaster at Hillsborough Stadium on 15 April 1989 due to crushing in the central pens of the Leppings Lane terrace, following the admission of a large number of supporters to the Stadium through exit gates.”

Yes.

[phantom]

QUESTION 2: Police planning for the semi-final match

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Was there any error or omission in police planning or preparation for the semi-final match on 15 April 1989 which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed on the day of the match? Yes or no

Yes - the jury  feels there were major omissions in 1989 operational order

[phantom]

QUESTION 3: Policing of the match and the situation at the turnstiles

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Was there any error or omission in policing on the day of the match which caused or contributed to a dangerous situation developing at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no.

Yes.  Police response to the increasing crowd at Leppings Lane was slow and uncoordinated. The road closure and sweep of fans exacerbated the situation. No filter cordons were place. No contingency plans were made for the sudden arrival of a large number of fans.

Attempts to close the perimeter gates were made too late.

[phantom]

QUESTION 4: Policing of the match and the crush on the terrace

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Was there any error or omission by commanding officers which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace? Yes or no.

Yes -  Commanding officers should have ordered closing of central tunnel.

[phantom]

QUESTION 5: The opening of the gates

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When the order was given to open the exit gates at the Leppings Lane end of the stadium, was there any error or omission by the commanding officers in the control box which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace? Yes or no.

Yes.  Commanding officers did not inform officers in the inner concourse prior to the opening of Gate C. Commanding Officers failed to consider where fans would go. Commanding officers failed to order the closure of the central tunnel prior to the opening of gate C.

[phantom]

QUESTION 6: Determination on unlawful killing issue

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Are you satisfied, so that you are sure, that those who died in the disaster were unlawfully killed? Yes or no.

Yes

[phantom]

QUESTION 7: Behaviour of the supporters

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Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no.

No.

Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no.

No.

Another cheer in court.  ‘Thanks’ comes from the public gallery. Audible sighs of relief

[phantom]

QUESTION 8: Defects in Hillsborough stadium

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Were there any features of the design, construction and layout of the stadium which you consider were dangerous or defective and which caused or contributed to the disaster? Yes or no.

Yes

Design and layout of the crush barriers in pens 3 and 4 were not fully compliant with the Green Guide. The removal of barrier 144 and the partial removal of barrier 136 would have exacerbated the waterfall effect of pressure towards the front of the pens. The lack of dedicated turnstiles for individual pens meant that capacities could not be monitored. There were too few turnstiles for a capacity crowd. Signage to the side pens was inadequate.

[phantom]

QUESTION 9: Licensing and oversight of the stadium

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Was there any error or omission in the safety certification and oversight of Hillsborough Stadium that caused or contributed to the disaster? Yes or no.

Yes.  Safety certificate never amended to reflect changes to Leppings Lane end of stadium. 

[phantom]

QUESTION 10: Conduct of Sheffield Wednesday FC before the day of the match

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Was there any error or omission by SWFC and its staff in the management of the stadium and/or preparation for the semi final match on 15 April 1989 which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation which developed on the day of the match? Yes or no.

Yes -  The club did not approve the plans for dedicated turnstiles for each pen. The club did not agree any contingency plans with the police. There was inadequate signage and inadequate and misleading information on the tickets.

[phantom]

QUESTION 11: Conduct of Sheffield Wednesday FC on the day of the match

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Was there any error or omission by SWFC and its staff on 15 April 1989 which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed at the Leppings Lane turnstiles and in the west terrace? Yes or no.

No.

Was there any error or omission by SWFC and its staff on 15 April 1989 which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed at the Leppings Lane turnstiles and in the west terrace? Yes or no.

Yes.  Club officials were aware huge number of fans were still outside the ground at 2.40 and should have requested delay in kick-off.

[phantom]

QUESTION 12: Conduct of Eastwood & Partners (SWFC engineers)

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Should Eastwood & Partners have done more to detect and advise on any unsafe or unsatisfactory features of the stadium which caused or contributed to the disaster? Yes or no.

Yes.  Eastwood & Partners, the club’s consultant engineers,  did not make their own calculations when they became consultants for the club.  T herefore the initial capacity figures and all subsequent calculations were incorrect.

Eastwood & Partners  failed to recalculate capacity figures each time changes were made to the terraces. It failed to update the safety certificate after 1986.