LondonBristolian Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 41 minutes ago, NeilS said: Typical comment, not Euro song contest is it? We are a monarchy it might be a factor in the choice of lyrics. Lots of countries are monarchies. Nothing unique in that. Most of them manage to say a bit more in their national anthems than "erm, well, we have a queen and that's about it, really." Most actually have something specific to say about the country too. England (and Great Britain) are amazing countries with a proud history in science, innovation the arts, laws, democracy, literature, theatre and culture. It's a country that has been shaped by many significant figures who've made an impact nationally and globally, along with the masses of ordinary people who have lived here, worked for their country and fought for their country. Our national anthem reflects none of that. It focuses on one position at the top of society alone and, unlike the Netherlands, who also have a Royalist national anthem, incorporates nothing about Britain or its history. In fact, it's so generic you could sing it in any monarchy and it would still apply. Yes - as you say - we are a monarchy. But do you really think that's all we are and all that is worth mentioning about our country? I think we're far greater than that and we should have a patriotic anthem about England (and another about GB when appropriate) that actually reflects what a fantastic country we are - not something so generic it could apply equally to any of the 44 monarchies in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said: The difference is that La Marseillaise is a stirring and passionate call to arms to defend the values of the French Republic from anyone who would impose their will on the French people. Our national anthem is, to quote the best description I've ever heard of it, "communal mumbling of a non-descript dirge in which we plead to a clearly indifferent God to prolong the existence of an old woman who lives in a castle." The national anthem is an area I really, really envy the French and I wish we had something as patriotic as they did that actually has something to say about England, our values and our people. Jerusalem would do the job. Excusing the lyrics - because I couldn't even tell you what La Marseillaise is supposed to tell me - QSTQ is a rousing anthem and this is what I base my argument for a good anthem on. Something that gets the blood pumping, irrespective of the content. I like the Italian and French anthems, but seeing as I am fluent in neither language I only like the tune. I may be in the minority with this, but Jerusalem I have little time for. It certainly isn't rousing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, redfred said: Excusing the lyrics - because I couldn't even tell you what La Marseillaise is supposed to tell me - QSTQ is a rousing anthem and this is what I base my argument for a good anthem on. Something that gets the blood pumping, irrespective of the content. I like the Italian and French anthems, but seeing as I am fluent in neither language I only like the tune. I may be in the minority with this, but Jerusalem I have little time for. It certainly isn't rousing. GSTQ is literally the opposite of rousing. It's a dirge. The "Send her victorious" bit aside, there is scarcely even a tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: GSTQ is literally the opposite of rousing. It's a dirge. The "Send her victorious" bit aside, there is scarcely even a tune. Similarly, there's a bit in La Marseillaise where seemingly everyone's forgotten the words for ten seconds and are scrabbling around trying to find them. That is not a good example of 'rousing'. Nevertheless, I sincerely hope you'll be singing GSTQ at the top of your voice later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 England fans causing trouble again last night. How sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 9 hours ago, 054123 said: What's happened Super? Yours is the most balanced fact based view on here. Said absolutely no one, in the history of the world. Ever. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Disagree Refred. The French all seem to sing the lyrics, which are very rousing, if highly bloodthirsty in the style of their main revolution. Lots of stuff about blood running in the furrows etc. it's a call to arms to slaughter the opponents of the revolution. I learnt it all at school and can sing it to this day - unlike GSTQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: The difference is that La Marseillaise is a stirring and passionate call to arms to defend the values of the French Republic from anyone who would impose their will on the French people. Our national anthem is, to quote the best description I've ever heard of it, "communal mumbling of a non-descript dirge in which we plead to a clearly indifferent God to prolong the existence of an old woman who lives in a castle." The national anthem is an area I really, really envy the French and I wish we had something as patriotic as they did that actually has something to say about England, our values and our people. Jerusalem would do the job. People may not like the Queen but more people don't believe in God and other similar fairytales therefore Jerusalem won't do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 49 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: England fans causing trouble again last night. How sad Minority again I think. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Well God Save The Queen has God in it. In fact, most hymns do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Super said: Minority again I think. Shame. Always is. Most of them are probably the kind of numpties who invade the pitch when we win a JPT match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 While it does piss me off when the pointless mindless drunkeness starts, why did the French Police feel the need to clear the streets after the bars had shut. Surely everyone would make their way back to hotels in their own time when they realised no more beer was on offer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: While it does piss me off when the pointless mindless drunkeness starts, why did the French Police feel the need to clear the streets after the bars had shut. Surely everyone would make their way back to hotels in their own time when they realised no more beer was on offer! What happened to the alcohol ban anyway?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, Super said: What happened to the alcohol ban anyway?! A French spokesman has now admitted that this was going to be difficult, what with Supermarkets and the like !!! Genius ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, NeilS said: I know what it means, as in this case changing ones loyalties in favour of Jerusalem etc...hence fickle. If you must look it up, but how odd to be pulled up on OTIB in such circumstances, still never mind. No, you're still wrong. If they were frequently changing their 'loyalty' in favour of different anthems that would be fickle. Just saying you prefer one over another, as per the post you described as fickle, is called having a preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 National Anthems aside... A few idiots come for the trouble and not the football and thousands of the rest of us had a rather pleasant time here last night. The Police are not going to change their tactics from what I see, to them the slightest hint of trouble or dissent and it's off with the noise grenades and CS gas launchers. To be honest everything they've had to put up with over here I'm surprised that they haven't been even heavier handed. Anyway we've met up with a sizeable group of Welsh fans here this morning and are off on a bar crawl together, so not all doom and gloom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 If the vote on 23rd is to remain, we might see Ode to Joy played as our anthem before every England international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, NeilS said: Your struggling, I can see that, but there you go... Changing Loyalties ie the monarchy is not an option for some, as would be the Anthem. I'm not struggling at all, it's pretty simple really, seems like if anyone is struggling it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red Exile Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Just sitting in the McDonalds at the ground. Pouring with rain. Enjoying a coffee with a Welsh chap and the chaplain at AFC Bournemouth. Lovely people, although no insider tips on the Tomlin saga. Lens very calm and good humoured when we walked through the town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, Red Exile said: Just sitting in the McDonalds at the ground. Pouring with rain. Enjoying a coffee with a Welsh chap and the chaplain at AFC Bournemouth. Lovely people, although no insider tips on the Tomlin saga. Lens very calm and good humoured when we walked through the town. Savouring the gastronomy of the region. Every credit, Monsieur. That said, sat in a coffee shop in Lyon, the food capital of France, and contemplating a stroll to Johnny's Irish pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: Savouring the gastronomy of the region. Every credit, Monsieur. That said, sat in a coffee shop in Lyon, the food capital of France, and contemplating a stroll to Johnny's Irish pub. It's the only dry place in town! Enjoy Lyon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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One Team In Keynsham Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 11 hours ago, wuntmeididntdoit said: Keysham Town sounds better. Don't know how to get a phone number to you. How much are tickets St aldhelms Told you before do as your told or you'll be the first against the wall come the reveloution If you still need them we will be in Johnny's Kitchen on Rue Saint Georges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: If you still need them we will be in Johnny's Kitchen on Rue Saint Georges. Tickets for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 19 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Tickets for sale? For clarity we are talking the less lucrative Ukraine N Ireland humdinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Only two flags in the ground at the moment - the Gas and now ours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Currently having lunch in Lens. Atmosphere seems relaxed enough and there's plenty of beer being drunk. Heading over towards the stadium in the next hour or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYAREREDANDWHITE Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Seems police made bad out of a bit of a party atmosphere last night. Pushed a group of England, Wales and France fans all over Lille, without them acctually doing anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Be careful there are 3 Russians in the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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