WolfOfWestStreet Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Cotts got the bullett for a similar run. And he had just delivered a league and cup double. Times up. Selling Ayling for a pittance looks an increasingly terrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bristolborn_and_red said: Put Johnson on gardening leave and put Pemberton in charge of the 1st team. Remember it was Pemberton who turned it around a year ago. Something that he didn't get credit for. Pemberton saved us last season - not Johnson. Our downturn has come since Johnson ideas have been imposed on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, stokes7 said: It's not as if we are playing good football either But we are. We are not getting hammered every week and we are scoring goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUTOR Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Keith Millen until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Really wanted to say told you so and for LJ to succeed. Tried to be blind to the naivety his displayed. Kept the faith whilst many began to call for him to be sacked. The substitution of Djuric for me was the epitome of his tactical ineptitude. He won everything in the air, kept the ball and linked well with Tammy. We lost the initiative at that point and the rest is now history. He has to go, if he has any pride or decency he would resign immediately. SL won't sack him as he's in too deep. Ashton should step up, grow a pair and act as the Chief Operating Officer by sitting SL down and dismissing Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: How much money does lansdown have to spend. Money doesn't solve everything The right manager would get results. For goodness sake the squad isn't that bad. It's the manager and his tactics and also lack of gravitas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinCider Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 At this moment, I would prefer to see, if possible, an experienced, successful, more mature manager coming in to 'support' him. This would hopefully halt this increasingly worrying slide, give LJ a chance to get his mojo back, not have the situation of a brand new manager coming in, wanting to bring his own people in and his type of players thus creating the deadwood as often witnessed in the past. It would also hopefully prove to the board whether LJ is/can be the real deal or he's not. If not, then get rid. Who this older, experienced manger I allude to is, I don't know? Would anyone really good who can guarantee a reversal of our fortunes want to come here, maybe not? Taking everything into consideration, I'm glad I'm not the one having to make the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said: I thought you might, I really don't know why you can still want him here, it is obvious he has not got it within him to save us from relegation. Facts we have lost 10 out of 11, that is off the radar as far as trying to cobble a case to support him. Of course we might win the next five, but that is a gamble I don't want to take with this coach, we need to fire him and get some new blood in, sad, because I like Lee. That's twice now you've called me out personally in threads recently which is a bit strange. Aside from that, obviously there are big issues and I've got many concerns. I think we over-invested in certain positions this summer which has left us without a plan B for most of the season. I think the board have a very hard decision to make but I'd give him a bit more time. I would be concerned how we've let him spend close to £2m this window alone if we thought there was a strong chance of sacking him. We've got form for this though sacking McInnes and Cotterill around the same time so I wouldn't be surprised. - I think personally he should be given until the end of the month. I know I'll get hammered for this but it's just my opinion. I'll happily admit that I like Lee and really want him to succeed so perhaps my desire to see him do well clouds my complete rational judgement on it. I hate how a section of our fans are so quick to make it personal with him, calling him a 'dwarf' and the like. It's nasty. I hate how he's criticised for literally anything including his ability as a player. There's plenty to criticise about his management, but I wish people would keep it relevant and try and avoid making it personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Up The City! said: But we are. We are not getting hammered every week and we are scoring goals. We've conceded 13 in our last 5 league games? 6 in our last 2 at home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 37 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: What? Swearing at me because I've got a different opinion about a football manager to you - fool. Phileas,would you advocate Lee to stay above the acquisition of a track record/proven man at this juncture?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said: Nobody wants us to fail. The only people who come out with that crap are the people who don't want to be proved wrong. It's their response mechanism to any criticism: "LJ hater", "you want us to fail" - when in all reality we want the club to succeed so badly that we are not prepared to put up with complete ineptitude. Agree but you're first post IMO was over the top . Being proved right or wrong is not important. I backed Johnson but I don't mind being wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, tinman85 said: The right manager would get results. For goodness sake the squad isn't that bad. It's the manager and his tactics and also lack of gravitas. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's twice now you've called me out personally in threads recently which is a bit strange. Aside from that, obviously there are big issues and I've got many concerns. I think we over-invested in certain positions this summer which has left us without a plan B for most of the season. I think the board have a very hard decision to make but I'd give him a bit more time. I would be concerned how we've let him spend close to £2m this window alone if we thought there was a strong chance of sacking him. We've got form for this though sacking McInnes and Cotterill around the same time so I wouldn't be surprised. - I think personally he should be given until the end of the month. I know I'll get hammered for this but it's just my opinion. I'll happily admit that I like Lee and really want him to succeed so perhaps my desire to see him do well clouds my complete rational judgement on it. I hate how a section of our fans are so quick to make it personal with him, calling him a 'dwarf' and the like. It's nasty. I hate how he's criticised for literally anything including his ability as a player. There's plenty to criticise about his management, but I wish people would keep it relevant and try and avoid making it personal. 'Called you out'? Odd comment, but yes abuse is not needed, but the facts speak for themselves, you are last man standing, well perhaps with the Major too, but many are not happy with staring into the Abyss after every match, this is nailed on relegation form..Act now before it is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, IAmNick said: We've conceded 13 in our last 5 league games? 6 in our last 2 at home? So that obviously means every team who wins automatically plays well and every team who loses automatically play badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, Up The City! said: But we are. We are not getting hammered every week and we are scoring goals. But we're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Would not sack him straight away Would suggest he resigns then when he does not sack him. Did not want him, but accepted him and up until today thought we should stick behind him, but bad team selection even worse substitutions means he needs to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcityfan Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Go now. Cannot motivate or control a talented squad. Never understood his appointment in the first place TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza1982 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Agree but you're first post IMO was over the top . Being proved right or wrong is not important. I backed Johnson but I don't mind being wrong. Being proved right is important for some though. Thats why many keep defending the indefensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Japp Stam is a relative novice but do you think he would allow for a defence so disorganised. I dont think the players probably respect johnson enough, they certainly aint scared of him, i mean i wouldnt be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's twice now you've called me out personally in threads recently which is a bit strange. Aside from that, obviously there are big issues and I've got many concerns. I think we over-invested in certain positions this summer which has left us without a plan B for most of the season. I think the board have a very hard decision to make but I'd give him a bit more time. I would be concerned how we've let him spend close to £2m this window alone if we thought there was a strong chance of sacking him. We've got form for this though sacking McInnes and Cotterill around the same time so I wouldn't be surprised. - I think personally he should be given until the end of the month. I know I'll get hammered for this but it's just my opinion. I'll happily admit that I like Lee and really want him to succeed so perhaps my desire to see him do well clouds my complete rational judgement on it. I hate how a section of our fans are so quick to make it personal with him, calling him a 'dwarf' and the like. It's nasty. I hate how he's criticised for literally anything including his ability as a player. There's plenty to criticise about his management, but I wish people would keep it relevant and try and avoid making it personal. I don't share your stand point on giving LJ more time. But you're wholly right on the rest of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Japp Stam is a relative novice but do you think he would allow for a defence so disorganised. I dont think the players probably respect johnson enough, they certainly aint scared of him, i mean i wouldnt be Stam played at the highest level and won the Champs League. Johnson was a crap player for us, only played cos of his dad and is only in this job because of the boards love in with that family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, tinman85 said: Stam played at the highest level and won the Champs League. Johnson was a crap player for us, only played cos of his dad and is only in this job because of the boards love in with that family. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's twice now you've called me out personally in threads recently which is a bit strange. Aside from that, obviously there are big issues and I've got many concerns. I think we over-invested in certain positions this summer which has left us without a plan B for most of the season. I think the board have a very hard decision to make but I'd give him a bit more time. I would be concerned how we've let him spend close to £2m this window alone if we thought there was a strong chance of sacking him. We've got form for this though sacking McInnes and Cotterill around the same time so I wouldn't be surprised. - I think personally he should be given until the end of the month. I know I'll get hammered for this but it's just my opinion. I'll happily admit that I like Lee and really want him to succeed so perhaps my desire to see him do well clouds my complete rational judgement on it. I hate how a section of our fans are so quick to make it personal with him, calling him a 'dwarf' and the like. It's nasty. I hate how he's criticised for literally anything including his ability as a player. There's plenty to criticise about his management, but I wish people would keep it relevant and try and avoid making it personal. Really well said. I sadly feel LJ has to go after today but you've expressed your point extremely well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournered Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Has to go. Reminds me of McInnes, constantly tinkering with side hoping to stumble on some magic formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Im of the opinion that we need consistency. Sacking managers every year and getting one in to stave off relegation is eventually goimg to see us relegated just like the last time we were relegated. We need to give a manager a good few years in charge. Maybe Just not this one IMO We want one who can demonstrate his skills in on pitch performance through selections, coaching and tactics rather than talking b****** - Sorry but for me any media training is about the only thing I can see right now He might be bluffing some fans but I'm sue as hell hes not convincing the players The players aren't much better - whatever the 11 , whatever the formation they should be sweating blood , but they aren't ( or some / quite a few aren't ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I've got 3 Viagra left, do they count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Def lost the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I'd be fine with us keeping him on of there was any sign of him turning it around but there isn't. Bad decisions one after another despite what in my opinion looked like some of the best business we've done in the transfer market in a long time. The thing that's really sent me against him is signing a defensive midfielder who "can play as a center back" and then playing him as a center back rather than even letting him play in his natural position. I also don't get why we've not brought in another right back if Matthews is injured because Little just doesn't cut it at this level and today was a shining example of this. He shouldn't be starting and as far as our full backs go, I think we're massively weak there which may explain why we have used 3 at the back. If Johnson had no faith in our full backs with 4 at the back then surely we should be looking to strengthen those positions rather than changing formation and putting players out of position week in, week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Really well said. I sadly feel LJ has to go after today but you've expressed your point extremely well. I'm obviously sailing against the wind and am quite prepared for people to hammer me or ridicule my point of view or whatever. It's only OTIB and it's just my opinion on a football manager which is totally unimportant in the scheme of things. I don't mind being wrong either if it turns out he's not the manager I thought he is and will become.. There seems to be an opinion that anyone pro-LJ is that just because they don't want to be 'wrong'. I'm no football expert, I'm just a fan like everyone else.. but a fan who really wants LJ to succeed as our manager - even now. For me, if he's not going just yet, he's got to turn it round by the end of this month. One big plus is that it seems all three first team signings we've made in January look very strong. That is a positive obviously now as it makes us a stronger team, but also in any post-LJ future as it shows Taylor, Ashton etc have our recruitment in a good place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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