Kodjias Wrist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Alessandro said: Like who? £215 million was spent this summer in the championship. We contributed to about £7/8million of that. Wolves spent more on one player,where has it got them? Although we've spent more than we have in our future, we've had to do that to try and keep up. We are still miles behind the spending power of many clubs in our league. Good point mate. However when we have spent over 10 mill more than Burton Albion and Cardiff to find one a game in hand and 3 points above and the other just two points below..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Good point mate. However when we have spent over 10 mill more than Burton Albion and Cardiff to find one a game in hand and 3 points above and the other just two points below..... Yes, right now it's not good enough. No one can deny that. But to comments about all these clubs doing great things on no budget. Sorry, those stories are increasingly rarer than hens teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Like who? £215 million was spent this summer in the championship. We contributed to about £7/8million of that. Wolves spent more on one player,where has it got them? Although we've spent more than we have in our future, we've had to do that to try and keep up. We are still miles behind the spending power of many clubs in our league. Burnley for starters. Yes, upon getting to the Prem they now have the clout to ensure they are successful if they get relegated back to the Championship. But it didn't need a billionaires to get them there in the first place. And there are loads of clubs we'll be playing alongside next season if we aren't careful including the Gas who aren't £100 million in arrears to one owner. We are a basket case if a club that repeats its mistakes and wonders why nothing changes and that needs to change if we are ever to make something of ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, boss hogg said: we are allowed to question him no matter how much money he,s put in Why bring his money into it? That's something a saghead woukd do. I fully agree he is accountable but as I've already said everyone was demanding to hear from him and now he's said stuff they didn't want to hear and what they don't agree with they are now turning against him. 14 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: No.. Many of us have been concerned about SL and BS for a long time I've had my concerns over the years, there is stuff I'm unhappy about but on balance I think he's done a pretty decent job for us. We have been handed a redeveloped stadium for FREE, also a training ground and a new Academy is in the pipeline for FREE. That earns him a bit of respect in my book. How many other owners would do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Yes, right now it's not good enough. No one can deny that. But to comments about all these clubs doing great things on no budget. Sorry, those stories are increasingly rarer than hens teeth. Yes but teams with money are doing it as well. As you said though the whole league increased their spending and imagine being a Derby fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 The really sad thing is we face a very, very real prospect of falling into the drop zone before SL is forced to act. We then will like as not be unable to get anyone as good as we might have done had we acted now, the new man will have an utter baptism of fire with some exceptionally tough games and I wouldn't be surprised if we went down in 24th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 41 minutes ago, Loon plage said: So why come out with a statement at all ? To put pressure onto LJ....indirectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 A delusional fool, stuck in his ivory tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Charliesboots said: To put pressure onto LJ....indirectly The funny thing is its actually took the heat off of LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Why bring his money into it? That's something a saghead woukd do. I fully agree he is accountable but as I've already said everyone was demanding to hear from him and now he's said stuff they didn't want to hear and what they don't agree with they are now turning against him. I've had my concerns over the years, there is stuff I'm unhappy about but on balance I think he's done a pretty decent job for us. We have been handed a redeveloped stadium for FREE, also a training ground and a new Academy is in the pipeline for FREE. That earns him a bit of respect in my book. How many other owners would do that? A lot of clubs have a training ground built for free and stadium investment ongoing Reading, Watford, QPR. I dont think its right to slate him but at the same time he hasnt done wonders has he. EDIT: Depressing times at the moment I just hope SL knows what hes doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said: A delusional fool, stuck in his ivory tower. Congratulations. The first to use a personal insult against SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 He was never going to sack him live on air was he? In terms of LJ's future employment he actually said he wouldn't discuss his contract... and I guess that's fair enough. The bit about LJ having the majority of the fans support though.... I think he felt pressured into saying it. He was concentrating on supporting LJ...so could hardly say he didn't enjoy the majority support. Andy Robinson was sacked after 9 consecutive league defeats. Maybe that's the Bristol Sport benchmark? It'd take a special kind of owner to have two relegated teams in the same season though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 41 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: It's not all about money but how it is spent. Poor decision making re Ashton Vale cost a great deal. Poor decision making on managers and the cost of sacking them. Other clubs with less money are doing better Our much vaunted Academy has yet to produce one gem I really am amazed at folks still believing in SL. He simply isn't good enough. Heart may have ruled head over the years, a man who has found a passion in his life he shares with his family and invests his own money into it....just as we do as supporters. It's right to question SL @Ivorguy but what is your suggestion? What do you see as the alternative? What would you do differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: A lot of clubs have a training ground built for free and stadium investment ongoing Reading, Watford, QPR. I dont think its right to slate him but at the same time he hasnt done wonders has he. How many of these are done without leaving the club with any debt? Without using bank loans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Up The City! said: How many of these are done without leaving the club with any debt? Without using bank loans? Reading and QPR i thought but might be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Up The City! said: The funny thing is its actually took the heat off of LJ. I guess we've all seen something different in the interview but from my standpoint I see nothing but pressure being appplied to Lee by SL coming out and making such a statement. If your boss had to publicly defend/back you or express a public opinion on your performance - how would you feel? I know I would be mortified by such an action, there's only one way out from a situation such as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Kodjias Wrist said: Reading and QPR i thought but might be mistaken. Reading had it by way of a loan payable back to Sir John Madejski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Stats don't lie. Then again they prove **** all. In the office today LJ had 100% support. Christ alive. Start painting your bed sheets. Lansdown out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poshtottie Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Burnley for starters. Yes, upon getting to the Prem they now have the clout to ensure they are successful if they get relegated back to the Championship. But it didn't need a billionaires to get them there in the first place. And there are loads of clubs we'll be playing alongside next season if we aren't careful including the Gas who aren't £100 million in arrears to one owner. We are a basket case if a club that repeats its mistakes and wonders why nothing changes and that needs to change if we are ever to make something of ourselves. Yes and they got Andre Grey worth every penny wasn't he ;-) now they have premiership purse! City need to let go of the past and accept we are not getting out of this division with league one players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Charliesboots said: Reading had it by way of a loan payable back to Sir John Madejski Do we not have it the same way with Steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 53 minutes ago, Sparkz 76 said: Do you really think LJ gets backing and then gets sacked two weeks later I don't think so Mark my words Johnson will get shredded by the fans if he loses again... his reputation is already in tatters... I reckon he'all bottle it and resign when he finally realises he's not wanted here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Do we not have it the same way with Steve? Difference being Steves not called it in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said: Heart may have ruled head over the years, a man who has found a passion in his life he shares with his family and invests his own money into it....just as we do as supporters. It's right to question SL @Ivorguy but what is your suggestion? What do you see as the alternative? What would you do differently? I think what people are forgetting is SL is now very experienced in the world of football plus he has Mark Ashton by his side. In the past he's made many mistakes, he would be the first to admit to that. This could prove to be another mistake but no one knows for sure what will happen either way. SL knows more about the goings on at Ag and tge training ground, he gets to speak to the players etc. He's obviously seen stuff to convince him to stick with this Remember this guy has made a very successful career in the financial sector. He's invested into LJ and right now he is sticking with his gut instinct about this investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Charliesboots said: Heart may have ruled head over the years, a man who has found a passion in his life he shares with his family and invests his own money into it....just as we do as supporters. It's right to question SL @Ivorguy but what is your suggestion? What do you see as the alternative? What would you do differently? I have answered this question in many different ways a number of times If SL stays, and there is little we can do about that at least in the short term, I would like a full consultant audit of club's management. Some issues to be addressed would include:- 1 composition of The Board 2 relationship between owner and Board 3 Is the BS model (a) delivering for football club and (b) is there a better alternative 4 use of specialist consultants over issues such as match day prices, appointment of all coaching staff including the manager 5 a look at the legal nature of the contracts issued by the club, plus the question of extensions to existing contracts, to all employees 6 most importantly, an evaluation of the owner's actions and decisions 7 an analysis as to why the club has failed to achieve its aims over a period of decades 8 a look at how fans can be brought into the heart of the club's decision making There are many other issues but these would provide a starting point. Finally, the final report to be made public and discussed around the city in a series of open meetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: Stats don't lie. Then again they prove **** all. In the office today LJ had 100% support. Christ alive. Start painting your bed sheets. Lansdown out? Do you have your own office by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Up The City! said: I think what people are forgetting is SL is now very experienced in the world of football plus he has Mark Ashton by his side. In the past he's made many mistakes, he would be the first to admit to that. This could prove to be another mistake but no one knows for sure what will happen either way. SL knows more about the goings on at Ag and tge training ground, he gets to speak to the players etc. He's obviously seen stuff to convince him to stick with this Remember this guy has made a very successful career in the financial sector. He's invested into LJ and right now he is sticking with his gut instinct about this investment. I wish I could agree, however it's very much his passion project and as much as many would like to believe it's only recently he's put people around him who know the sports industry and in our case football. Nothings changed at board level however....suits come and go (as does their advice) supporters (of which I count the board) don't and as such as much as you try to sit on your hands or bite your tongue it's never going to happen. Mistakes will continue to be made - it happens at every football club in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: Stats don't lie. Then again they prove **** all. In the office today LJ had 100% support. Christ alive. Start painting your bed sheets. Lansdown the grey haired OAP out? Corrected it for you 4 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Do we not have it the same way with Steve? No, it was converted into shares. Right now he must have put 100 million into us? To get his money back he would have to sell us for that amount. It's likely he will make a huge loss on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 24 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Why bring his money into it? That's something a saghead woukd do. I fully agree he is accountable but as I've already said everyone was demanding to hear from him and now he's said stuff they didn't want to hear and what they don't agree with they are now turning against him. I've had my concerns over the years, there is stuff I'm unhappy about but on balance I think he's done a pretty decent job for us. We have been handed a redeveloped stadium for FREE, also a training ground and a new Academy is in the pipeline for FREE. That earns him a bit of respect in my book. How many other owners would do that? but its like getting a toy at Christmas and finding no batteries in It, the stadiums great but without players who can take us forward what use is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Benjam!n Ultra said: The majority are completely AGAINST LJ, you could not be more wrong with your comment. LJ is so clearly out of his depth but SL will not admit his choice was wrong. His obsession will see us playing league one football in a premier league stadium. The fact he can't see that means it's now his fault. I can only conclude that Peter Hargreaves really was the brains of the outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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