Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, pillred said: but its like getting a toy at Christmas and finding no batteries in It, the stadiums great but without players who can take us forward what use is it And the ground feels like the local multiplex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 35 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: The really sad thing is we face a very, very real prospect of falling into the drop zone before SL is forced to act. We then will like as not be unable to get anyone as good as we might have done had we acted now, the new man will have an utter baptism of fire with some exceptionally tough games and I wouldn't be surprised if we went down in 24th place. His cultists will still be creaming when we sail into National League South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: I have answered this question in many different ways a number of times If SL stays, and there is little we can do about that at least in the short term, I would like a full consultant audit of club's management. Some issues to be addressed would include:- 1 composition of The Board 2 relationship between owner and Board 3 Is the BS model (a) delivering for football club and (b) is there a better alternative 4 use of specialist consultants over issues such as match day prices, appointment of all coaching staff including the manager 5 a look at the legal nature of the contracts issued by the club, plus the question of extensions to existing contracts, to all employees 6 most importantly, an evaluation of the owner's actions and decisions 7 an analysis as to why the club has failed to achieve its aims over a period of decades 8 a look at how fans can be brought into the heart of the club's decision making There are many other issues but these would provide a starting point. Finally, the final report to be made public and discussed around the city in a series of open meetings Many reasoned points @Ivorguy but what you miss is that as a private company the board have no requirements to address any of those points, all they need is to comply with statutory reporting (Annual Accounts, Companies House notifications etc). I get the direction of your inquiry, it's what anyone who would have legitimate concerns would ask of any business; the dichotomy of the arguement however is that those concerns lie between it being a community interest and a going business concern. You have an interest as a community member but no interest in the business. The FA have been avoiding such an inquiry from successive Governments for years - and if they cannot pin them down then what hope do we have in pressing SL for such? This isn't meant to sound as blunt as it does but in reality Bristol Sport / Bristol City FC have absolutely nothing to answer for to you, I or anyone else for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Bazooka Joe said: Well he ain't done a very good job. I'm seething. I've smashed almost everything within reach and almost put me boot through the telly. Because of my foul mood everyone has gone out. So much for anger management. Thanks a bunch Lansdown. Don't go near the bazooka, Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: And the ground feels like the local multiplex. Don't it just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, pillred said: but its like getting a toy at Christmas and finding no batteries in It, the stadiums great but without players who can take us forward what use is it I like this analogy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I like this analogy! I know people will accuse me of being short sighted and I can understand their point, but sometimes I feel I would swap the new ground and everything else for a team I could be really proud of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Poor old Steve . Never enough for some . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, pillred said: I know people will accuse me of being short sighted and I can understand their point, but sometimes I feel I would swap the new ground and everything else for a team I could be really proud of I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Up The City! said: Everyone turning against Lansdown now then because he doesn't agree with their opinions? Very sad. You're as embarrassing as they come. Not only what you say but the fact you've got a picture of our rivals manager, who has actually been hugely successful. Now, how do I mute this ***** on a phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: You're as embarrassing as they come. Not only what you say but the fact you've got a picture of our rivals manager, who has actually been hugely successful. Now, how do I mute this ***** on a phone? I'd have Dopey Darrell over LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: I'd have Dopey Darrell over LJ. So would I, ATM, but that wasn't what I was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 34 minutes ago, Charliesboots said: Many reasoned points @Ivorguy but what you miss is that as a private company the board have no requirements to address any of those points, all they need is to comply with statutory reporting (Annual Accounts, Companies House notifications etc). I get the direction of your inquiry, it's what anyone who would have legitimate concerns would ask of any business; the dichotomy of the arguement however is that those concerns lie between it being a community interest and a going business concern. You have an interest as a community member but no interest in the business. The FA have been avoiding such an inquiry from successive Governments for years - and if they cannot pin them down then what hope do we have in pressing SL for such? This isn't meant to sound as blunt as it does but in reality Bristol Sport / Bristol City FC have absolutely nothing to answer for to you, I or anyone else for that matter. I totally agree with all you say, of course. But what I have said in answer to what I have been asked is what I believe any decently run organisation, which is palpably failing, should do not what they will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, JasonM88 said: So would I, ATM, but that wasn't what I was getting at. Yeah I know, but it just occurred to me.....it's got THAT bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 53 minutes ago, pillred said: but its like getting a toy at Christmas and finding no batteries in It, the stadiums great but without players who can take us forward what use is it As a parent I always assure batteries are on the Christmas shopping list. We just need to make sure someone at Ag buys the batteries (I hope and believe MA to be this person) 25 minutes ago, pillred said: I know people will accuse me of being short sighted and I can understand their point, but sometimes I feel I would swap the new ground and everything else for a team I could be really proud of I wouldn't. We now have foundations in place to kick on from this. 15 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: You're as embarrassing as they come. Not only what you say but the fact you've got a picture of our rivals manager, who has actually been hugely successful. Now, how do I mute this ***** on a phone? Oh come on lighten up, are things really that bad to you that you can't see the funny side of a picture? 8 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: Yeah I know, but it just occurred to me.....it's got THAT bad. NOTHING could ever be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Up The City! said: As a parent I always assure batteries are on the Christmas shopping list. We just need to make sure someone at Ag buys the batteries (I hope and believe MA to be this person) I wouldn't. We now have foundations in place to kick on from this. Oh come on lighten up, are things really that bad to you that you can't see the funny side of a picture? NOTHING could ever be that bad. Oh I assure you it HAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Ivorguy said: I have answered this question in many different ways a number of times If SL stays, and there is little we can do about that at least in the short term, I would like a full consultant audit of club's management. Some issues to be addressed would include:- 1 composition of The Board 2 relationship between owner and Board 3 Is the BS model (a) delivering for football club and (b) is there a better alternative 4 use of specialist consultants over issues such as match day prices, appointment of all coaching staff including the manager 5 a look at the legal nature of the contracts issued by the club, plus the question of extensions to existing contracts, to all employees 6 most importantly, an evaluation of the owner's actions and decisions 7 an analysis as to why the club has failed to achieve its aims over a period of decades 8 a look at how fans can be brought into the heart of the club's decision making There are many other issues but these would provide a starting point. Finally, the final report to be made public and discussed around the city in a series of open meetings yep just wasting more money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: Oh I assure you it HAS. In that case, be prepared to be relegated against a team playing in our away kit Hang on, could we count that as a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Up The City! said: As a parent I always assure batteries are on the Christmas shopping list. We just need to make sure someone at Ag buys the batteries (I hope and believe MA to be this person) I wouldn't. We now have foundations in place to kick on from this. Oh come on lighten up, are things really that bad to you that you can't see the funny side of a picture? NOTHING could ever be that bad. I know we have the foundations in place it's just at the moment it feels like the builders are on strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT's Vaseline Tub Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 SL is either completely deluded or LJ has a tape of him in an uncompromising situation - allegedly. When asked if pathway for the home bred players had been temporarily blocked for the incoming experienced new signings he said no. Burns sold to Fleetwood...says otherwise. Also the coaching set up Lee has is superb- Holden has ruined team morale since his arrival as undermined the highly rated Pembo - As seen by us & The Board. More holes in his rationale than a Swiss cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Up The City! said: The funny thing is its actually took the heat off of LJ. I don't know about that UTC, I think he's giving him the thumbs up for the time being but I fully expect Lansdown backing him in public and what he may have said in private are two different things. He's probably put him on notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Derek from Nailsea said: SL is either completely deluded or LJ has a tape of him in an uncompromising situation - allegedly. He's not stayed at a hotel in Moscow with Donald Trump has he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Up The City! said: Everyone turning against Lansdown now then because he doesn't agree with their opinions? Very sad. No because he was talking out of his arse when he said a majority of BCFC fans supported LJ, that is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: He's not stayed at a hotel in Moscow with Donald Trump has he! Or Mark Oaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: Or Mark Oaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: No because he was talking out of his arse when he said a majority of BCFC fans supported LJ, that is a lie. neither you or I know if this true you are basing it on a very small forum vote and I know for a fact I could not be arsed to vote so if every other member of the forum had the same opinion LJ has the majority backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Benjam!n Ultra said: The majority are completely AGAINST LJ.... Genuine question, how do you know the majority of fans are 'completely against LJ' ? Only a tiny tiny tiny percentage of our fan base post on this forum so you can't be basing your views on the opinions of that minority....so how do you know? We took over 40k to Wembley, so it could be argued that figure represents our current fan base (roughly) and only about half of them turn up to home games, so how do you know all their views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, reddoh said: neither you or I know if this true you are basing it on a very small forum vote and I know for a fact I could not be arsed to vote so if every other member of the forum had the same opinion LJ has the majority backing. Mate, a sample of 600 people is far more than you get for a political poll and as I said earlier yes there have been some skewed results when the polls are close but this poll is over 88% against but hey i'm sure you are correct and the majority still believe LJ to be the saviour, I mean who wouldn't?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT's Vaseline Tub Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Genuine question, how do you know the majority of fans are 'completely against LJ' ? Only a tiny tiny tiny percentage of our fan base post on this forum so you can't be basing your views on the opinions of that minority....so how do you know? We took over 40k to Wembley, so it could be argued that figure represents our current fan base (roughly) and only about half of them turn up to home games, so how do you know all their views? He did a quick poll on OTIB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Esmond Million's Bung said: Mate, a sample of 600 people is far more than you get for a political poll and as I said earlier yes there have been some skewed results when the polls are close but this poll is over 88% against but hey i'm sure you are correct and the majority still believe LJ to be the saviour, I mean who wouldn't?. you may be right but how many forum(active) members are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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