RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 In case you missed it, City has introduced a ban on all Rucksacks and large bags being taken in to the Gate this season. Only exception (to be officially confirmed) is for disabled supporters, particularly wheel chair users.
Busterrimes Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Yep, got told by a steward last night. Does this mean City will provide Cloakroom facilities for the bags. On midweek games I come straight from work so always have a bag with me.
Robbored Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Makes perfect sense in view of extremist terror attacks.
Jackson Lamb Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 All rucksacks? Be a pain now trying to smuggle the sweets in for the kids!
BigTone Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Robbored said: Makes perfect sense in view of extremist terror attacks. Agree 100%
CotswoldRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 39 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: In case you missed it, City has introduced a ban on all Rucksacks and large bags being taken in to the Gate this season. Only exception (to be officially confirmed) is for disabled supporters, particularly wheel chair users. To be confirmed? When I wonder? Just late enough for most people not to know about it before next week I expect. I'll take my normal bag. They never look anyway.
The Fat Controller Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 @AdamB @Mkelly is this correct? If so, why has it not been publicised? I haven't seen a thing.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Chris_Brown said: @AdamB @Mkelly is this correct? If so, why has it not been publicised? I haven't seen a thing. I was told this last night at the game by a steward so I assume it's true. Would be useful to ensure the message is widely spread before the first home game. A bit of a pain but I can understand the reasoning.
A Horse With No Name Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just an observation, but about 15 minutes before the end of the game all doors are flung open to allow early leavers to go, and any Tom Dick or Harry to enter, presumably carrying anything they like. With Manchester in mind, this is a blatant safety issue and should be addressed alongside this new policy.
The Fat Controller Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: I was told this last night at the game by a steward so I assume it's true. Would be useful to ensure the message is widely spread before the first home game. A bit of a pain but I can understand the reasoning. I can understand the reasoning too. Lack of communication is the issue. If they already know this ban will be in place, it should be made clear on the website, on twitter, on here and when purchasing tickets.
MyBrotherErnie Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 On the official website before last night's match they posted a reminder about this as part of their match preview. Good idea, if they provide places for people to leave bags if they have to bring them.
Admin Maesknoll Posted July 29, 2017 Admin Posted July 29, 2017 Providing somewhere to leave a bag, is surely as much as a security risk, if you are leaving a bag, it would have to be searched before you could put it in a cloakroom, causing queues and delays and importing risk. Easier to ban all bags, regardless of size.
Bristol Rob Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 It will be a right faff for midweek games when people go straight to the game from work.
ZiderEyed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Okay, what bags are we allowed to take in to the stadium?
Dollymarie Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I had the steward do a double take last night because my handbag is the shape of a rucksack. It was still allowed in though.
42nite Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, Mkelly said: Hi - see below from website What are the dimentions of a 'large' rucksck?
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, Chris_Brown said: I can understand the reasoning too. Lack of communication is the issue. If they already know this ban will be in place, it should be made clear on the website, on twitter, on here and when purchasing tickets. Absolutely - something like this needs to be communicated properly to ensure everyone knows. I hope they're going to provide storage for people who forget/are unaware.
1bristolcity Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 It's an anti terrorist move, and yet you want cloak rooms to store your man bags ?
RumRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 It's bull, someone really wants to do it they will find a way. This just shows they're winning. Pointless posturing imo
CodeRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, 42nite said: What are the dimentions of a 'large' rucksck? Anything big enough to conceal a bomb I suppose! Seriously I expect any bag that is designed to be strapped to one's back will qualify, Why are people concerned with this though ?....................it's football - beer money, fags, ticket ,phone, all that goes in your pocket. That's all you need. Carrying anything else is a distraction.
Spoons Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Bs3 a terrioists hot bed of extremists ?? World gone mad, can't alter our daily life for low life scum who I wouldn't pee on of they were on fire!
1960maaan Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I get , and understand the reasoning . I just hope they have really talked this through, and have all relevant staff up to speed and aware of the limits and sizes etc. Women can have large handbags which could easily hold the same as a rucksack, also bowling bags/small holdalls are carried but aren't ruck sacks. I personally follow @CodeRed's rules , but plenty don't have that option. I can see chaos ensuing on opening day.
CotswoldRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Absolutely - something like this needs to be communicated properly to ensure everyone knows. I hope they're going to provide storage for people who forget/are unaware. Exactly. My nipper requires waterproofs for him and his wheelchair, extra blankets in winter and other personal items. Would be nice to know which bag shapes, colours and fabrics are permitted to hold such items.
Nogbad the Bad Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Exactly. My nipper requires waterproofs for him and his wheelchair, extra blankets in winter and other personal items. Would be nice to know which bag shapes, colours and fabrics are permitted to hold such items. No need to worry, the OP says they will make exceptions for wheelchair users.
Andy082005 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 3 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: In case you missed it, City has introduced a ban on all Rucksacks and large bags being taken in to the Gate this season. Only exception (to be officially confirmed) is for disabled supporters, particularly wheel chair users. No large bags? I best leave the missus at home then
Bristol Rob Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 58 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: No need to worry, the OP says they will make exceptions for wheelchair users. So the club have profiled the terror threat and concluded that people with a disability aren't a threat.
42nite Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Andy082005 said: No large bags? I best leave the missus at home then She speaks highly of you!
42nite Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Chris_Brown said: I can understand the reasoning too. Lack of communication is the issue. If they already know this ban will be in place, it should be made clear on the website, on twitter, on here and when purchasing tickets. I get loads of promotional emails from BS regarding everything except important/relevant information like this.
RedM Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I've been to two concerts in the past month, one at Hyde Park and one at the Millennium Stadium Cardiff. On both tickets they said strictly no large bags, Hyde Park actually gave the dimensions in cm of what was acceptable. I 'minimalised' which was a pain as both were full days out, not just an evening. At both events my bag was searched, but I was surprised just how many bags larger than what was permitted were let in. I honestly think they tell people this in the hope that some will take the advice so it's less to search on the night. It's far too much hassle to turn people away than just search the bag and let them in. I think as long as someone is willing to open their bag that gives a good indication that they probably aren't carrying anything they shouldn't.
bristolcitysweden Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Well done the club. I totally support this
wendyredredrobin Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Still dont know what qualifies as a small bag ora large bag. So long as they are searched, what is the issue? We shall soon have airport security scanners and x-ray machines. Followed by no more than100ml of fluid. My flask of coffee could easily contain a bomb.
Eddie Hitler Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Well done the club. I totally support this Yes, totally. As I am entirely up for every security restriction and check going at airports as I want to minimise my chances of dying mid air from a terrorist bomb. Though it still should have been better communicated.
Super Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Who takes a rucksak? Having said that seen a bloke with a suitcase before.
RumRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just now, Eddie Hitler said: Yes, totally. As I am entirely up for every security restriction and check going at airports as I want to minimise my chances of dying mid air from a terrorist bomb. Though it still should have been better communicated. Let's hope no-one's thought about Drones, putting a bomb in a cider barrel for one of the bars, crashing into the exiting crowds on the pavement outside, poisoning the pie supply chain, going on a knife rampage etc etc. No large bags in AG is just lip service which is designed to make you feel safer whilst actually disrupting law abiding people's lives.
Super Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 2 hours ago, CodeRed said: Anything big enough to conceal a bomb I suppose! Seriously I expect any bag that is designed to be strapped to one's back will qualify, Why are people concerned with this though ?....................it's football - beer money, fags, ticket ,phone, all that goes in your pocket. That's all you need. Carrying anything else is a distraction. You dont have kids i take it.
pillred Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Andy082005 said: No large bags? I best leave the missus at home then hope your password is secure!!
Bristol Rob Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Super said: Who takes a rucksak? Having said that seen a bloke with a suitcase before. Probably on his way to the Avon Gorge hotel.
Eddie Hitler Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, RumRed said: Let's hope no-one's thought about Drones, putting a bomb in a cider barrel for one of the bars, crashing into the exiting crowds on the pavement outside, poisoning the pie supply chain, going on a knife rampage etc etc. No large bags in AG is just lip service which is designed to make you feel safer whilst actually disrupting law abiding people's lives. It isn't just lip service; it's doing what they reasonably can. As they used to say in my old law classes the test is reasonableness and the example used was could you reasonably prevent someone being killed by a derelict Russian satellite falling on their head? The answer of course being no as you cannot cover every possible eventuality. You can however prevent rucksack bombs as used by the London underground bombers being brought in so it makes sense, IMHO, to do so.
bch Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 This does need some clarification from club about the size of bags and any exceptions. I bring my son who has ds, who absolutely fell in love with city last season (it's taken me all close season to try and explain there is no Tammy Tammy this season). I need a bag for spare clothes and a couple of distractions (sweets crisps etc). Whilst I understand the reasoning and support the increased awareness, surely if anybody is happy to have their bag searched it shouldn't be a problem???
Bristol Rob Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 It is a good idea, but like unzipping your coat to ensure you didn't have a bomb vest it will likely be badly implemented and poorly executed.
MichaelRobartes Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, Super said: Who takes a rucksak? Having said that seen a bloke with a suitcase before. That was probably me, Super!
RumRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: It isn't just lip service; it's doing what they reasonably can. As they used to say in my old law classes the test is reasonableness and the example used was could you reasonably prevent someone being killed by a derelict Russian satellite falling on their head? The answer of course being no as you cannot cover every possible eventuality. You can however prevent rucksack bombs as used by the London underground bombers being brought in so it makes sense, IMHO, to do so. I commuted over London Bridge for years and couldn't believe it when they took the (admittedly flimsy) barriers down to make it prettier, that was always an easy target. No idea why terrorists hit it at night rather than 7.45am when there's several thousand on the bridge at one time. I understand the need to be seen to do something but I truly believe that banning large bags will not reduce the risk factor in attending a football match one iota, it will however increase the ball ache for everyone else. What's the deal with rucksacks rather than other similar sized bags as well, are we bag profiling now? Don't get it I'm afraid, shows we're not only running scared but also running behind any potential terrorists in terms of where risk lies. In response to your Russian sattelite analogy I doubt that would actually be trying to kill you, big difference.
Eddie Hitler Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 minute ago, RumRed said: I commuted over London Bridge for years and couldn't believe it when they took the (admittedly flimsy) barriers down to make it prettier, that was always an easy target. No idea why terrorists hit it at night rather than 7.45am when there's several thousand on the bridge at one time. I understand the need to be seen to do something but I truly believe that banning large bags will not reduce the risk factor in attending a football match one iota, it will however increase the ball ache for everyone else. What's the deal with rucksacks rather than other similar sized bags as well, are we bag profiling now? Don't get it I'm afraid, shows we're not only running scared but also running behind any potential terrorists in terms of where risk lies. I entirely understand your view RumRed but in this case happen to disagree and think that the club are correct. Last time I worked in the City it had the "ring of steel", initially plastic barriers but manned by police, put up after the IRA Baltic Exchange bomb. People generally accepted it as worthwhile albeit an inconvenience. I also lived there rather than commuting and heard the explosion where one accidentally blew himself up on a bus one Sunday night. I don't view it as running scared, just changing a few things to make it harder for terrorists.
sephjnr Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I don't view it as running scared, just changing a few things to make it harder for terrorists. And more profitable for the concessions. Which i'm 100% sure is an incidental perk and wasn't even considered when planning this.
RumRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I entirely understand your view RumRed but in this case happen to disagree and think that the club are correct. Last time I worked in the City it had the "ring of steel", initially plastic barriers but manned by police, put up after the IRA Baltic Exchange bomb. People generally accepted it as worthwhile albeit an inconvenience. I also lived there rather than commuting and heard the explosion where one accidentally blew himself up on a bus one Sunday night. I don't view it as running scared, just changing a few things to make it harder for terrorists. I also see your point of view and I agree with the general idea I just find it tiresome that attacks lead to changes in everyday life, remember when all the public rubbish bins were removed years ago?
Spoons Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Andy082005 said: No large bags? I best leave the missus at home then True but what's she doing ( or who) when your at football ??!!!
Portland Bill Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 35 minutes ago, Super said: Who takes a rucksak? Having said that seen a bloke with a suitcase before. That was the man from U.N.C.L.E. !
Wolf Island Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 This is a reasonable requirement based on threat level advice from the police. It will be a minor inconvenience for some, especially those coming to the match with younger kids as they need a lot of paraphernalia. Just the times we live in though. I do hope that this means that this item will be available online only and not in the shop at the Gate: http://shop.bristol-sport.co.uk/football/accessories/school/bcfc-backpack-red This will have the additional benefit of freeing up some space as the club shop is a bit cramped.
Davefevs Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 2 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: Exactly. My nipper requires waterproofs for him and his wheelchair, extra blankets in winter and other personal items. Would be nice to know which bag shapes, colours and fabrics are permitted to hold such items. I know what you mean. Most of Joe's stuff like his blanket get stuffed down the back of his chair, and I carry a hold-all (over shoulder effort), with flasks, ponchos (always happy in a poncho - boosh fans!), hand warmers etc in. So we don't need a big bag. 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: So the club have profiled the terror threat and concluded that people with a disability aren't a threat. Only when I take my dad with me!! Joe and I never get searched, but then again I think we are recognised - having said that most of the stewards outside the ground say "hi Oskar" to Joe (wheelchair, glasses ), which he laughs off. However for the games I take my dad, we always get searched. He must look shifty
bengalcub Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 So my 3 year old gets bored at half time I take fruit as the club shops only sell chocolate and sweets also a few toys to keep him occupied all in a kids rucksack , I have no problem with a search but if I get turned away then it will just confirm the off field policy is an absolute joke !!!
E.G.Red Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, wendyredredrobin said: Still dont know what qualifies as a small bag ora large bag. So long as they are searched, what is the issue? We shall soon have airport security scanners and x-ray machines. Followed by no more than100ml of fluid. My flask of coffee could easily contain a bomb. Many sporting arenas Wembly, Twickenham etc and other clubs eg Birmingham make you remove tops of bottles you bring in . Only surprised this hasn't been imposed at AG yet
reddoh Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, E.G.Red said: Many sporting arenas Wembly, Twickenham etc and other clubs eg Birmingham make you remove tops of bottles you bring in . Only surprised this hasn't been imposed at AG yet I don't mind taking the top of a bottle but what I do object too is being told to discard it and then being charged five times the price inside too replace it
CodeRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Super said: You dont have kids i take it. I do, but they're in their late 20's now! when they were kids- no I didn't take a rucksack - but anyway it was a joke so please have a whooosh!
CotswoldRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, E.G.Red said: Many sporting arenas Wembly, Twickenham etc and other clubs eg Birmingham make you remove tops of bottles you bring in . Only surprised this hasn't been imposed at AG yet Take a spare bottle top.
T R Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Do the rules apply to everyone including rugby fans? Including the players, staff, stewards who come from work, catering staff etc etc even steve lansdown. we all gotta be treated equally. What about scott murrays laundry bag, that is pretty large isn't it? if anything is gonna happen it would happen outside everyone knows that,
RedLionLad Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 How will this work when say someone has coats in a rucksack for their kids to put on if they get cold during a game? You get stopped at the turnstiles and are told No Rucksacks. Obviously, you need the coats, so you remove them. You now have an empty rucksack that you can't take in. ......and what if it looks like this?
RedM Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 So I guess if you went to the club shop and came away with an extra large Bristol Sport carrier bag stuffed with merchandise you could get in without problem? That's easy then I'll bring a BS bag every week and carry my drink and chocolate, hoodie etc in that!
RedLionLad Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, RedM said: So I guess if you went to the club shop and came away with an extra large Bristol Sport carrier bag stuffed with merchandise you could get in without problem? That's easy then I'll bring a BS bag every week and carry my drink and chocolate, hoodie etc in that!
RedM Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Perfect. Now where do I get them from. Says Forever Bristol Membership, I get that with my ST don't I, so where's my bag and bottle???!!!
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 In a way, it's not a huge surprise. At the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Champions League final back in June. No rucksacks- they had storage away from the ground but no rucksacks in the ground.
bengalcub Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Red m , in all seriousness issuing season ticket holders with those bags is a great shout .
Mrdc Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Spoons said: Bs3 a terrioists hot bed of extremists ?? World gone mad, can't alter our daily life for low life scum who I wouldn't pee on of they were on fire! I suspect the people at the Ariadne Grande concert thought the same. A football match has never been targeted before which makes it vulnerable.
Izza Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Regarding bag size, I went in with a bag/rucksack designed to hold a drink bladder which is relatively small in rucksack terms and was told it wouldn't be allowed next week. I was also told carrier bags were ok which could carry more than my bag so still a bit confused.
Pezo Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: In a way, it's not a huge surprise. At the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Champions League final back in June. No rucksacks- they had storage away from the ground but no rucksacks in the ground. Theres a massive difference between the champions league final and City v anyone. I think this is all getting a bit silly - I know there is a threat but unless there is some clear evidence that City or AG is being targeted then I think this is over the top. Your more likly to die on your way to a game than to be killed by a terrorist at any time. These measures don't really make sense to me - there are loads of terrorist opportunities but this seems focused on a bomb in a bag and completely ignores any other possible attack - just moving the problem somewhere else isnt going to help if someone does feel the need to be a terrorist knob.
RedLionLad Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, boatman said: I suspect the people at the Ariadne Grande concert thought the same. A football match has never been targeted before which makes it vulnerable. So are you suggesting no rucksacks be allowed anywhere?
Mrdc Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: So are you suggesting no rucksacks be allowed anywhere? Really don't know but I think it need to be safe for everybody.
RedLionLad Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Isn't it a bit ironic that the club shop sells something that you are not permitted to take into the stadium?
RumRed Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 38 minutes ago, boatman said: Really don't know but I think it need to be safe for everybody. It won't ever be safe, all we can do is not let it dictate the way we live our lives. You don't question driving 200 miles to an away match on congested roads in a tin box at 70mph do you?
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