bengalcub Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 There’s plenty of lower league managers who deserve a chance at a derby or a rangers ... these two walk in with no experience at all it’s ridiculous and disrespectful to managers doing things the right way starting from the bottom and earning the right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 They're both got huge potential as managers but they're also both novices. Starting with big jobs could be the managerial ruin of them. Why not start at a div1/div2 club and prove yourself worthy of managing a big club, not by name, but by taking them up a division or 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, bengalcub said: There’s plenty of lower league managers who deserve a chance at a derby or a rangers ... these two walk in with no experience at all it’s ridiculous and disrespectful to managers doing things the right way starting from the bottom and earning the right . every manager has to get a start somewhere, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, bengalcub said: There’s plenty of lower league managers who deserve a chance at a derby or a rangers ... these two walk in with no experience at all it’s ridiculous and disrespectful to managers doing things the right way starting from the bottom and earning the right . Slight overreaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 31, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 22 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: They're both got huge potential as managers but they're also both novices. But isn't that potential solely down to their playing careers - they have done nothing managerial yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 minute ago, phantom said: But isn't that potential solely down to their playing careers - they have done nothing managerial yet No denying from all the experience of their long playing careers - domestic and international - all the managers they've played under and learnt from, and their obvious football intelligence etc. they should have all the basics to build on to be top managers one day. But, as I said, they need managerial experience and should start in the lower leagues and only be considered for bigger jobs in the future, depending on what success they have there which genuinely merits a step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 3 hours ago, phantom said: Interesting point @29AR , I just read the below, copied from the BBC Sport site. Personally can only see him and Gerrard falling on their faces - but more so to do with having no managerial experience. But guess at least Stevie G did a stint with Liverpool kids? . . . . . . . . . . . . . First it was Steven Gerrard, now it's Frank Lampard. The former England midfielders have both been given their first opportunities in management this month - Gerrard with Rangers and now Lampard with Derby County. What does history tell us about how they might get on in the hot seat? BBC Sport has looked into the managerial careers of the pair's former England team-mates and let's just say some went better than others... Paul "Gazza" Gascoigne It's fair to say Paul Gascoigne's playing career strongly outweighs his managerial prowess. Gazza is considered a bona fide legend for England, Tottenham, Rangers and Newcastle United. However, when he was appointed manager of then-Conference North club Kettering Town in October 2005, he said he was "in it for the long haul", despite some [rather mean-spirited] bookmakers putting odds on him being sacked before Christmas. Just 39 days later, Gazza was dismissed on 5 December. The club's owner, Imraan Ladak said his manager was drinking too much, but Gascoigne hit back, accusing Ladak of interfering with team affairs. "I have never been left alone to do my job as manager," said the former Lazio player at the time. Gary Neville The elder Neville brother Gary dipped his toes into management after retiring from playing with 602 Manchester United appearances on his CV. We say "dipped" because his tenure at Valencia didn't last all that long - less than four months in fact. He was appointed with limited managerial experience in 2016 and his side won just three of their 16 league games - 10 of 28 games overall. Awkwardly, his brother Phil, who was then a part of the Valencia coaching team, kept his job. Alan Shearer Former England striker Alan Shearer will want to be remembered for his playing days rather than his managerial record. Shearer scored 148 goals in 303 appearances for Newcastle and even has a statue outside St James' Park. However, his record as Magpies manager was not as impressive. He was brought in as an interim boss to fill the shoes of Joe Kinnear, who was suffering with health problems at the time. Shearer was given an eight week sabbatical from his role on Match of the Day to try to save his beloved club from relegation, but it was to no avail. Shearer's eight games yielded only five points out of a possible 24 [one win, two draws, five losses]. Not the stat he wants on his otherwise glittering Newcastle record. Paul Ince At last, we can bring you have a former England player-turned-manager who picked up some silverware. Former midfielder Paul Ince, who won two Premier League titles with Manchester United, went into coaching in 2006 starting with a stint at Swindon Town as a player-coach, followed by Macclesfield Town, who he saved from relegation. He was given his first full-time manager job at Milton Keynes Dons in 2007 and took them all the way to the top of League Two. In the same season, Ince led the team to Wembley, winning the Football League Trophy by beating Grimsby Town 2-0. He then had less successful stints at Blackburn, Notts County and Blackpool - all with win percentages of less than 40%. Tony Adams Considered by Arsenal fans as one of the club's greatest ever captains, Tony Adams seemed to be a perfect candidate for a post-retirement career in football management. He has had spells in charge of Wycombe Wanderers, Portsmouth, Azerbaijani side Gabala and struggling La Liga side Granada CF, where videos of his training techniques have amused the masses. His record at Granada perhaps wasn't one to shout about - seven defeats in seven games. Ouch. Phil Neville Despite having a prolific playing career, winning six Premier League titles with Manchester United, Phil Neville had little managerial experience when he was put in charge of the England women's national side in January. He met controversy early on in his tenure following comments on social media, with one tweet suggesting women would be too "busy making breakfast/getting kids ready" to read his messages. He has overseen five games so far - winning two and drawing two - and has plenty of time to prove his doubters wrong, with his current contract running until the end of the 2021 European Championships. Gareth Southgate Perhaps his most infamous England moment, [and apologies for bringing it up again, Gareth] was having a soft penalty saved at Euro 96 during a shootout, sending England's rivals Germany through to the final. However, 20 years later, after spells at Middlesbrough and England's youth sides, the former defender inherited the most prestigious job in English football: the boss of the men's senior national team. His record so far? Six wins, four draws and two losses. Not terrible. His biggest test, however, is just on the horizon - the 2018 World Cup in Russia. Can’t believe they missed out Teddy Sheringham’s underwhelming managerial stints at Stevenage and ATK in India.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: They're both got huge potential as managers but they're also both novices. Starting with big jobs could be the managerial ruin of them. Why not start at a div1/div2 club and prove yourself worthy of managing a big club, not by name, but by taking them up a division or 2? Maybe league 1/2 teams didn't want him? I don't have a problem with it would like to see more of England's finest taking up Manager roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Super said: Maybe league 1/2 teams didn't want him? I don't have a problem with it would like to see more of England's finest taking up Manager roles. More likely, unfortunately, he felt he was too good for them, as well as pricing himself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: More likely, unfortunately, he felt he was too good for them, as well as pricing himself out. I know he was linked with Oxford but don't know if they offered him the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 @phantom wow, that does not make pretty reading. That said, I think the only one that really surprised me is G Neville. Shearer I just never thought was that insightful and more just mundane, Ince; yeah, he's the case in point for put their playing experiences to one side and see what's between the ears; and Adams and Gazza certainly had their own demons. I think @LondonBristolian got it right on the importance of the first job - great call on Roy Keane too! As for Lampard, I thought he'd go on to make something of himself but with this as his first job I'm less convinced. He might get tarred like GN and realise sitting in a Sky Sports is probably the ideal job after hanging up your playing boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 I wish him well but looking at Wikipedia Derby have had 12 managers since December 2008 including 4 in 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 I see that Jack Ross who was favourite for Ipswich at one time has been appointed Sunderland manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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