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3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

I don't know  how many changes Plymouth made for tonight but we made too many,

Disappointed, as I thought we needed to get a bit of momentum going . 

Our first team aren't so familiar with each other that they wouldn't have benefited from a hour together.

It's never good to lose any match .

 

Sorry Major but this first team you mention, who are they and how many games will they start together?

Unfair question really as LJ does not know, so how could you.

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Ah well, no distractions this season then.

Win would have been good, but the loss isn't disastourous in the great scheme of things.

Next game is a must win though. LJ is going to be under no pressure anytime soon, but the longer we don't win....

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1 minute ago, robin_unreliant said:

Good to see how much stronger the squad is after our summer business though  :whistle2:

Tbf, the squad will take time to Gel, I can accept that.

What I don't like is how narrow we defend across the back 4; we invite crosses in - when we belatedly no longer have the ball magnet that was Flint's absolute brick of noggin.

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3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

A poor performance, but didnt deserve the boos at the end.

I'm not overly concerned as it was almost entirely a second string side and, second half at least, were the far better side.

Weimann looked great, him and Diedhiou could be a fantastic partnership.

Walsh was decent.

Kelly looked good, better after moving to LB.

Webster looked to be an Ayling mk II in the way he carried the ball out of defense.

We had 2 goals ruled out and about 3 times Plymouth scrambled the ball off the line. Continue making those chances and the goals will happen.

Yet many on here claim that the whole point of this years tranfer window was that we would bring strength in depth to the squad. If our back ups can’t perform against Plymouth then that has to be slightly concerning surely. 

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3 minutes ago, RedDave said:

I was correct again.  Although sometimes I hate being right, like tonight.

That’s fair enough, but why would a fan write us off against a league one club when the game had only just started?! Yep you were right, but you wrote the team off at the start of the game....and it’s only the third game of the season....no need to be smug...

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3 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said:

Letting Duric go was careless, not getting a replacement shocking.

Loads of possession, no end product. Is LJ turning into a SoD?

Why keep someone who didn’t want to be here? With regard to replacement we have until 31st August.

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4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

A poor performance, but didnt deserve the boos at the end.

I'm not overly concerned as it was almost entirely a second string side and, second half at least, were the far better side.

Weimann looked great, him and Diedhiou could be a fantastic partnership.

Walsh was decent.

Kelly looked good, better after moving to LB.

Webster looked to be an Ayling mk II in the way he carried the ball out of defense.

We had 2 goals ruled out and about 3 times Plymouth scrambled the ball off the line. Continue making those chances and the goals will happen.

Thought we played well especially last 20 when we really ramped it up and the run of the ball just wouldn’t fall for us. On another night could have been 4 or 5 but it happens like that sometimes

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17 minutes ago, RedDave said:

I can't make a prediction?  

Someone else mentioned he was ex Gas as well.  Going to pull them up as well? 

 

10 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

....and, as per my question, why is it relevant that their keeper is ex-gas? Is that enough for you to write him off? Terry Cooper was ex gas when he came to us as our manager, and he worked miracles and is my fave City manager ever, never gave his ‘ex gas’ status a thought for a second...

Hands Up, that was me.

Matt Macey left Rovers for Arsenal as a youngster and, I believe, played (or was certainly on the bench) in one of their recent European Championship matches - he is a very promising goalkeeper and is currently on loan to Plymouth.

I am not sure why @RedDave is subject to any criticism for his comments (about MM).

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2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

That’s fair enough, but why would a fan write us off against a league one club when the game had only just started?! Yep you were right, but you wrote the team off at the start of the game....and it’s only the third game of the season....no need to be smug...

You've never predicted we will lose?  We had Pisano at centre back and Plymouth had pretty much their first team out....or so I was led to believe. 

You seem to like talking to me on here.  Fancy a pint so we can talk in real life?

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2 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

Hands Up, that was me.

Matt Macey left Rovers for Arsenal as a youngster and, I believe, played (or was certainly on the bench) in one of their recent European Championship matches - he is a very promising goalkeeper and is currently on loan to Plymouth.

I am not sure why @RedDave is subject to any criticism for his comments (about MM).

Dont worry, he likes to pick on me.  I find it flattering. 

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8 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:
23 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Why the twatish smiley faces...go on then tell me a game In nearly two years where he has taken the game by the scruff of the neck and bend the stand out player?

 

 

 

 He was excellent last season until he got injured and the season before he’d just come into the championship.

just admit you’ve had a mare . The twattish emojis as you put it are because I’m laughing at your minuscule knowledge 

Pathetic..in your opinion he was I didn’t see that he was excellent as I said the Cardiff game he was but again I ask you in over 2 years with us which games was he an excellent stand out player?

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19 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Well said and  that's class- fool and dumbo I am then.

 

At least I have stuck up for you in the past :

Posters on here said you didn't know  eff all about football and I assured them you did.

Really?! Well i dont follow most of my posts and if you have defended me then thank you very much!

i do indeed know plenty about football!

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9 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said:

Letting Duric go was careless, not getting a replacement shocking.

Loads of possession, no end product. Is LJ turning into a SoD?

He didn’t want to be here, can’t have an unhappy player playing for us

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1 minute ago, westonred said:

Yes the cheap option once again

I would have taken a punt on the few flashes I’ve seen (I assume our analysis him was a bit longer and in depth)

Goalscorers will always fetch high prices and a vfm punt for me on what I’ve seen to date

When we signed him we needed to make the decision ‘was he ready’

I assume Bearing in mind the jumps he’s made so quickly , at best the judgement we would have thought at best ‘Unlikely’

In that case Eisa should have been seen as a bonus , a wildcard , not someone we may need to rely on

 

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1 minute ago, lenred said:

Yet many on here claim that the whole point of this years tranfer window was that we would bring strength in depth to the squad. If our back ups can’t perform against Plymouth then that has to be slightly concerning surely. 

Tonight was a chance for others to shine and force their way into the first 11. Having not been there, I can't comment on individual performances, but the stats don't look good. All those shots/corners, and no goals.

Was it quite as bad as the comments suggest?

A loss in the cup to Plymouth isn't that disappointing, but if nobody showed they were up for it, then that's a big problem.

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And I’ve just explained . The first season he wasn’t up to speed but he was influential from the start of last season until he got injured at hull. 

You say , take a game by the scruff of the neck. How many players in any team do that at this level ? He’s still a developing player. 

As I said he’s just coming back from injury , try engaging brain before making yourself look stupid . 

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1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said:

Why?

Its a one off game.

Should Man Utd fans be concerned because what was a strong side from them lost to us last season?

They have much more depth than we do.

Last 20 minutes we were dominant.

Until then we were too slow when working our attacks and (first half mainly) very sloppy on the ball.

Why? I’d have thought that is pretty obvious.  Because we’ve just lost at home to Plymouth who are 16th in league 1.  A team we thrashed in the same fixture last year. Yet we lost with our fabled strong back ups.  Ergo that doesn’t show progress, it shows the opposite.  That’s why.  But hey, it’s just a ‘one off’ so no matter. Here’s hoping it’s better Saturday.  

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3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Why?

Its a one off game.

No denying it’s a one off game, but it should have been an opportunity to get a win under our belts, I, as others are, remain concerned about the 4 wins in 27 and I must admit that I am not too confident that ratio won’t increase in the wrong way in the next couple of games.  

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5 minutes ago, Red Army 87 said:

Why keep someone who didn’t want to be here? With regard to replacement we have until 31st August.

... and we knew at least a month before he left that he was going.

No worries though. Out the cup and two points out of six. Don’t want to rush anyone or have a sense of urgency. No doubt MA/ the scouts are investing all their efforts to sort out the keeper situation and that’s taken about four months and counting. 

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14 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said:

How the **** is he still our manager?

Because overall he is in credit and his team has finished higher each season he has been here, despite a relatively modest budget compared to many rival teams. And his record at this club - all in the second tier - is up there with any manager in our history over that last 30 years.

I’m not pretending the form since Christmas has been anything other than hugely disappointing, but that’s at least partly due to the excellent period that preceded it, which Johnson was also responsible for. Neither am I saying I would have lost much sleep had he left in the summer.

But if you actually want an answer to the question, it’s not hard to find reasons why he remains in charge.

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47 minutes ago, RedDave said:

If only we had given Bolasie a bit more time...an example of needing to give time

I agree with you....my unpopular pre-match pub opinion at the time was that I thought Bolasie had potentially more to offer than Albert in terms of end product and goals....was shouted down, guess we’ll never know, but he got to a higher level than Albert (unless you count Albert’s 2 premier league games) although I still love AA - what a genuine, lovely guy...

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1 minute ago, Richwilkins50 said:

Although last seasons cup run was amazing, to be honest I’m glad we haven’t got the distraction and energy sapping cup games this time around. 

I would have hoped to get a result against a lower league team at home .

That is just a big let down and does nothing for the morale of players, staff and fans .

Going out to a Prem team would have been better as it could be justified.

So I can't agree with you . 

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3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

And I’ve just explained . The first season he wasn’t up to speed but he was influential from the start of last season until he got injured at hull. 

You say , take a game by the scruff of the neck. How many players in any team do that at this level ? He’s still a developing player. 

As I said he’s just coming back from injury , try engaging brain before making yourself look stupid . 

@MC RISK77

Thanks for explaining yourself..and see you have managed to highlight many of his great games..ok bow down to you’re superior knowledge and the 67 games including sub apps he has played for city have yielded an amazing 2 goals. Yep believe it or not 67 games in two years he has done very little that is more than enough game time to contribute a lot more than he has

happy to have a get for charity that his record will not improve this year.

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7 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Last season Plymouth made 9 changes.

This year it was a near enough full strength side.

2 things that arent the same.

Equally, Plymouth fans said last years game was one of their worst performamces all season.

Today they played better and we played worse.

We we still clearly the better side and battered them for the last quarter of the game, in our worst spell of the game it was an even contest.

They grabbed a goal from a set piece while we werent clinical.

You are overdramaticising this result.

Not worried about the Carabao , much more the wider issues

But there’s been excuse after excuse for poor result after poor result since Christmas

It has to stop at some point and need to start delivering 

I wouldn’t bank on too much Saturday

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22 minutes ago, RedDave said:

You've never predicted we will lose?  We had Pisano at centre back and Plymouth had pretty much their first team out....or so I was led to believe. 

You seem to like talking to me on here.  Fancy a pint so we can talk in real life?

I don’t think I’ve predicted that we would lose to a lower division club before the game starts, that is very negative...

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1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said:

Last season Plymouth made 9 changes.

This year it was a near enough full strength side.

2 things that arent the same.

Equally, Plymouth fans said last years game was one of their worst performamces all season.

Today they played better and we played worse.

We we still clearly the better side and battered them for the last quarter of the game, in our worst spell of the game it was an even contest.

They grabbed a goal from a set piece while we werent clinical.

You are overdramaticising this result.

I’m overdramatising nothing at all so no need for the condescension. We should beat a team 16th in league 1 when we are a championship team at home - regardless of the team we put out. But especially so when we are told about the strength in depth that we have bought in and especially given the money spent to bring that supposed strength in depth in.   I’d imagine the Eisa fee alone will buy the whole of Plymouth’s first team. Never mind, we can concentrate on the league now. No excuses. 

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Matty Taylor's work rate tonight was shocking!! 

Compare him to Wieman who had 15 mins and worked his socks off and looked dangerous.

Bobby Reid last year, most impressive think alongside his goals was his improved work rate. It earned him a premier league move.

So disappointed at Taylor tonight and Walsh.

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50 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Those that are there, how do Kelly and Webster look together?

Kelly went to left back when Webster came on. Plymouth didn't really offer an attacking threat in the second half anyway so we wouldn't have learnt anything about a centre back partnership.

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18 minutes ago, Richwilkins50 said:

Although last seasons cup run was amazing, to be honest I’m glad we haven’t got the distraction and energy sapping cup games this time around. 

Distraction from what? The trophy that is 18th place in the league? Can't wait .... 

This club will never win a major trophy, ever. 

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Bin short corners.

Fine the players if they play them. 

I hate them. 

Thought Walsh looked good which is opposite to what a few people are saying so that’s weird. Thought he was the only one looking to get on the ball & had a decent range of passing.

Goodnight. 

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32 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Dont worry, he likes to pick on me.  I find it flattering. 

Pick on you? Behave....disagreeing with your flawed opinions isn’t ‘picking on you’ - or are you just that sensitive?! I remember a heated chat we had a few years ago when you claimed Olivier Giroud was shite - he played in the World Cup Final this year, shite players don’t do that....pick on you? Laughable, this ain’t a school playground....

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8 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Thanks for explaining yourself..and see you have managed to highlight many of his great games..ok bow down to you’re superior knowledge and the 67 games including sub apps he has played for city have yielded an amazing 2 goals. Yep believe it or not 67 games in two years he has done very little that is more than enough game time to contribute a lot more than he has

happy to have a get for charity that his record will not improve this year.

You’re like a stuck  record mate. Forget his first season like brownhill . Both new to the league . Last season he had improved into a talented player that was influencing games on a regular basis. 

Answer my question. How many players that in your words take games by the scruff of the neck in the championship. Also why do you concentrate on how many goals he scored , he’s not a striker , not all players are judged on goals . How many attacks does he start , how many dribbles . How often is he pushing his full back towards goal. How many runs off the ball taking his marker away does he make. There’s loads more to it than goals. You make it sound so simplistic when it’s anything but. 

I don’t want to be rude but you’re boring me now with this . But for the last time, the main reason he’s not up to speed at the moment is because he’s not match fit. 

If he’s not doing it in ten-fifteen games time then that’s a different matter 

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5 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Bin short corners.

Fine the players if they play them. 

I hate them. 

Thought Walsh looked good which is opposite to what a few people are saying so that’s weird. Thought he was the only one looking to get on the ball & had a decent range of passing.

Goodnight. 

Thought Walsh was very good 2nd half so with you there. We have now conceded set plays in last two games and with Boro coming you know that's where we will struggle. No panic but what tonight demonstrated is that  whilst we have squad numbers some of the depth we have lacks quality & we are a GK/CB/CF light IMO.  Thought Eisa raw whilst Taylor and Watkins were poor. 

4 wins out of last 27 is a shocking run and a loan window to ease some of our problems.  Djuric looking a weird one now as so many crosses today

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Pick on you? Behave....disagreeing with your flawed opinions isn’t ‘picking on you’ - or are you just that sensitive?! I remember a heated chat we had a few years ago when you claimed Olivier Giroud was shite - he played in the World Cup Final this year, shite players don’t do that....pick on you? Laughable, this ain’t a school playground....

said he wasnt world class I think. which he isnt. 

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15 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Bin short corners.

Fine the players if they play them. 

I hate them. 

Thought Walsh looked good which is opposite to what a few people are saying so that’s weird. Thought he was the only one looking to get on the ball & had a decent range of passing.

Goodnight. 

Know what you mean, and normally I'd agree. But we had no height tonight, and they had plenty, including the keeper who, as has been alluded to elsewhere, was catching everything. So, on this occasion, I felt it was right to try something different. They were mostly crap though. 

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Kelly looked quality when he switched to LB.

Eisa and Taylor may just as well have stayed in the dressing room.

Wasn't too impressed with the Chelsea loanee.  Kelly is by far a better LB.

Weimann livened things up when he came on, why didn't he come on 30 mins earlier?

Can't make up my mind whether I prefer Pisano or Hunt at RB. Hunt seems better going forward but Pisano is a better defender.

What on earth was Johnson thinking playing two full backs as centre backs?

Still can't for the life of me see why Korey's goal was disallowed.

Why did we leave it until the 75th minute before we started to try to get a goal back?

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6 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

Thought Walsh was very good 2nd half so with you there. We have now conceded set plays in last two games and with Boro coming you know that's where we will struggle. No panic but what tonight demonstrated is that  whilst we have squad numbers some of the depth we have lacks quality & we are a GK/CB/CF light IMO.  Thought Eisa raw whilst Taylor and Watkins were poor. 

4 wins out of last 27 is a shocking run and a loan window to ease some of our problems.  Djuric looking a weird one now as so many crosses today

 

 

 

 

 

 

He wanted to go back to Italy. Not a lot we can do about that. 

Does need replacing though. 

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I went down tonight for the main reason to see how strong our squad players are, err well I'm not exactly filled with confidence.

Dasilva is tiny. The defence was a strange set up tonight, so I won't be too hard on them, but Lloyd had a lot of the ball in the 2nd half especially after going to LB.

Taylor and Eisa posed very little threat up front, but we were very slow in the build up which would not have helped them at all. No threat at all at corners and we had a few of them tonight

Watkins started well but faded badly in the 2nd half, surprised he wasn't subbed.

All in all, a worrying performance against lower league opponents

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Overall we should have won that game easily - had enough chances and pressure to do so despite a poor first half.

Pisano is not a CB so LJ has to take a lot of the blame for that one.

Taylor looked exactly what I think of him - an average L1 player.

Eisa I think could be a useful player but still a bit raw.

Not the time to panic yet but we seem to be shipping a lot of easy goals already.

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24 minutes ago, Spoons said:

Matty Taylor's work rate tonight was shocking!! 

Compare him to Wieman who had 15 mins and worked his socks off and looked dangerous.

Bobby Reid last year, most impressive think alongside his goals was his improved work rate. It earned him a premier league move.

So disappointed at Taylor tonight and Walsh.

I think Taylor knows his time is up. There is no way he will not be shipped out on loan soon. No way.

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54 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Because overall he is in credit and his team has finished higher each season he has been here, despite a relatively modest budget compared to many rival teams. And his record at this club - all in the second tier - is up there with any manager in our history over that last 30 years.

I’m not pretending the form since Christmas has been anything other than hugely disappointing, but that’s at least partly due to the excellent period that preceded it, which Johnson was also responsible for. Neither am I saying I would have lost much sleep had he left in the summer.

But if you actually want an answer to the question, it’s not hard to find reasons why he remains in charge.

I was refering to his record over the last 27 games, you could also add the losing streaks before to that?

 To say his performance stands along side what his Dad achieved here and even SC is below the belt, I’m not having that!

 

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