spudski Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 ...did DH apply for the job, or was he cajoled into the job and suggested he applied by MA, and he went for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, spudski said: ...did DH apply for the job, or was he cajoled into the job and suggested he applied by MA, and he went for it? Nobody will truly know. Would be weird if he didn’t go for it though. No harm in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 'Invited to apply' perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, And Its Smith said: Nobody will truly know. Would be weird if he didn’t go for it though. No harm in doing so. No harm I guess...but you've got to think to yourself, why would an assistant think they are good enough in their first job, to get promotion, which was the remit. To improve upon what we already were. I wouldn't be surprised if it was purely a stop gap appointment because of covid. Thrown to the lions in many ways. Can imagine MA telling him to go for it, and dangling a carrot if he did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigate Red Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 DH thoughts at the time - "I'll chuck my name in the hat, it'll be good to get the interview experience and I'll learn from that for when I'm ready for a mangers job". Later whilst on holiday - " I've got the job - hey I'm good at interviews" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 To me, what I think happened was this: - Board sacked LJ - right decision at the time, ran out of rope - Expectation at the time of sacking was that 20/21 would be more “normal”. Holden asked to take charge on temporary basis, and view to appoint proper manager in summer - Summer comes. Covid still here. Finances not normal. Holden asked to take charge permanently, but one year contract gives a get out I think, had the club known that Covid would have restrictions now, they wouldn’t have sacked Johnson. Holden was intended as a stop gap to normality, and that normality has taken longer than envisaged. If they’d known Covid restrictions would be ongoing until end 2021 season, they’d have not rolled the dice. Thats what the six weeks was. They only appointed Holden when they knew Covid would keep going. I don’t think he applied because he wouldn’t have been given the job under normal circumstances. I do question what happened with Jamie Mac, but that’s another topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: To me, what I think happened was this: - Board sacked LJ - right decision at the time, ran out of rope - Expectation at the time of sacking was that 20/21 would be more “normal”. Holden asked to take charge on temporary basis, and view to appoint proper manager in summer - Summer comes. Covid still here. Finances not normal. Holden asked to take charge permanently, but one year contract gives a get out I think, had the club known that Covid would have restrictions now, they wouldn’t have sacked Johnson. Holden was intended as a stop gap to normality, and that normality has taken longer than envisaged. If they’d known Covid restrictions would be ongoing until end 2021 season, they’d have not rolled the dice. Thats what the six weeks was. They only appointed Holden when they knew Covid would keep going. I don’t think he applied because he wouldn’t have been given the job under normal circumstances. I do question what happened with Jamie Mac, but that’s another topic. Wasn’t Jamie Mac leaking stuff left, right and centre allegedly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: Wasn’t Jamie Mac leaking stuff left, right and centre allegedly? Really? Anything specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I'll never forget the comment made by Ashton, or it might have been Junior, just prior to DH being appointed. He said that "Dean has got a lot of support from those within the club" we assumed that meant the players, and that is never a good sign when the manager is best mates with the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, spudski said: No harm I guess...but you've got to think to yourself, why would an assistant think they are good enough in their first job, to get promotion, which was the remit. To improve upon what we already were. I wouldn't be surprised if it was purely a stop gap appointment because of covid. Thrown to the lions in many ways. Can imagine MA telling him to go for it, and dangling a carrot if he did well. Maybe he realised he had a chance as he knows the players and there were 250,000 (pound) reasons to go for it rather than be unemployed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: To me, what I think happened was this: - Board sacked LJ - right decision at the time, ran out of rope - Expectation at the time of sacking was that 20/21 would be more “normal”. Holden asked to take charge on temporary basis, and view to appoint proper manager in summer - Summer comes. Covid still here. Finances not normal. Holden asked to take charge permanently, but one year contract gives a get out I think, had the club known that Covid would have restrictions now, they wouldn’t have sacked Johnson. Holden was intended as a stop gap to normality, and that normality has taken longer than envisaged. If they’d known Covid restrictions would be ongoing until end 2021 season, they’d have not rolled the dice. Thats what the six weeks was. They only appointed Holden when they knew Covid would keep going. I don’t think he applied because he wouldn’t have been given the job under normal circumstances. I do question what happened with Jamie Mac, but that’s another topic. Why wouldn’t he apply for an estimated £250k job he was caretaker of? Would be mad not to apply. It costs zero to apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, spudski said: No harm I guess...but you've got to think to yourself, why would an assistant think they are good enough in their first job, to get promotion, which was the remit. To improve upon what we already were. I wouldn't be surprised if it was purely a stop gap appointment because of covid. Thrown to the lions in many ways. Can imagine MA telling him to go for it, and dangling a carrot if he did well. Yes, quite possibly, then why feed us all that bull? Even so, being a Championship manager isn't forgiving for a rookie, covid or not. The game is still the same… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Maybe he realised he had a chance as he knows the players and there were 250,000 (pound) reasons to go for it rather than be unemployed Spot on,I’m no heart surgeon but if I was offered good money I would have a crack at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Why wouldn’t he apply for an estimated £250k job he was caretaker of? Would be mad not to apply. It costs zero to apply It costs zero, I agree. What I’m saying is that I think when Johnson was sacked there was no intent to give it to Holden (and if he wasn’t told, he should have read the room). It was only when things started moving on Covid wise he came into the frame. Bottom line - if he applied I can’t blame him. But I think that application wasn’t considered until the impact of Covid became clear. It’s the only way to explain the six weeks - the caretaker period wasn’t exactly compelling, just ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Wasn’t Jamie Mac leaking stuff left, right and centre allegedly? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Spot on,I’m no heart surgeon but if I was offered good money I would have a crack at it I think people forget that managers are ultimately trying to earn a living like the rest of us. I laugh when people say managers should resign. Why would anyone resign and miss a big pay off? If Holden is sacked, and the rolling 12 month contract is correct, then its a good pay off 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Yes What sort of stuff was he leaking? Cannot think what the motivation would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Wasn’t Jamie Mac leaking stuff left, right and centre allegedly? Euuw..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, spudski said: ...did DH apply for the job, or was he cajoled into the job and suggested he applied by MA, and he went for it? Probably best to ask DH that question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I think people forget that managers are ultimately trying to earn a living like the rest of us. I laugh when people say managers should resign. Why would anyone resign and miss a big pay off? If Holden is sacked, and the rolling 12 month contract is correct, then its a good pay off What sort of stuff was he leaking? Cannot think what the motivation would be. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, spudski said: ...did DH apply for the job, or was he cajoled into the job and suggested he applied by MA, and he went for it? Does it really matter? He may have been encouraged to apply, as I would have expected, but we are where we are so no point going over this time and time again, especially when the process was (rightly) confidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, petehinton said: Yes Based on what evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said: 'Invited to apply' perhaps MA “we’ve got this guy Chris with bags of experience of getting teams promoted to the perm, he’s available, he wants the job, most fans want him, but Dean here’s the thing, I reckon you are a better bet” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: Really? Anything specific? I remember there being a thread at the time, quite the furore. But I don’t remember the specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, BigTone said: Based on what evidence? A fair amount over a decent length of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Let me just go back and read the messages in my BCFC board WhatsApp group. what a ******* stupid *** of a thread this really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, petehinton said: A fair amount over a decent length of time! Oh come on Pete, stop the shite. You normally come across as an intelligent and thoughtful poster but in recent weeks you have become immersed in conspiracy theories etc etc. If you have evidence then share it. Don't become a Boris Johnson clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honiton Tony Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Does it matter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: really? Anything specific? GMG had a very good source for the Korey Smith leaving story, before it was officially announced. Which caused GMG a bit of bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, BigTone said: Oh come on Pete, stop the shite. You normally come across as an intelligent and thoughtful poster but in recent weeks you have become immersed in conspiracy theories etc etc. If you have evidence then share it. Don't become a Boris Johnson clone. We’re both regular posters. Over time it becomes clear who posts BS and who you take seriously. Pete clearly falls into the latter category. It’s such a specific rumour and obviously no way of corroborating it - but I think Pete is reliable so I believe him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, petehinton said: Yes So it's a definate yes from you, but you're not telling us what he was leaking. Or don't you really know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, BigTone said: Oh come on Pete, stop the shite. You normally come across as an intelligent and thoughtful poster but in recent weeks you have become immersed in conspiracy theories etc etc. If you have evidence then share it. Don't become a Boris Johnson clone. Happily able to tell on DMs if you want to know desperately! Let’s just say there’s a reason there were so many ‘ITKs’ during Lee Johnson’s reign with Macca at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, spudski said: No harm I guess...but you've got to think to yourself, why would an assistant think they are good enough in their first job, to get promotion, which was the remit. To improve upon what we already were. I wouldn't be surprised if it was purely a stop gap appointment because of covid. Thrown to the lions in many ways. Can imagine MA telling him to go for it, and dangling a carrot if he did well. I said it at the time and I still believe it. He wasn’t intended to be appointed but he just interviewed well. His first interview and his sound of the city ? Radio show was brilliant and it was a “breath of fresh air” compared to LJs talk at the time. he clearly knew our players, knew our problems and probably set out a clear plan to get it right. Covid, injuries and perhaps naivety on Deans part means it hasn’t played out that way. First few games went alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: We’re both regular posters. Over time it becomes clear who posts BS and who you take seriously. Pete clearly falls into the latter category. It’s such a specific rumour and obviously no way of corroborating it - but I think Pete is reliable so I believe him here. That's fine but show some evidence to collaborate the issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I remember there being a thread at the time, quite the furore. But I don’t remember the specifics. Was it to do with Tinnion being unhappy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Spot on,I’m no heart surgeon but if I was offered good money I would have a crack at it Just don’t book me in for my coronary artery surgery with you! And even then you have the intensive care unit to pick up the pieces afterwards. No such option for a football manager. Everybody can quickly see if you aren’t up to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, petehinton said: Happily able to tell on DMs if you want to know desperately! Let’s just say there’s a reason there were so many ‘ITKs’ during Lee Johnson’s reign with Macca at the club There are so many ITK's that any credibility starts to wane. Some even state to be "substantially ITK". It really does have the opposite effect on any credibility. It seems that many want us to think they know the in and outs of all when the actual fact is that they don't. Problem is they are more than likely way off beam with regards to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, spudski said: ...did DH apply for the job, or was he cajoled into the job and suggested he applied by MA, and he went for it? I really, really would love to know which genius - SL, JL, MA - was the first to say "how about Holden?". Would reveal an awful lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, petehinton said: Happily able to tell on DMs if you want to know desperately! Let’s just say there’s a reason there were so many ‘ITKs’ during Lee Johnson’s reign with Macca at the club Ok - I want to know desperately and please DM me. I've called out so many posters over the years and have yet to get a single reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, spudski said: ...did DH apply for the job, or was he cajoled into the job and suggested he applied by MA, and he went for it? Applied for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: Applied for it. Yes I realise he applied for it...but was it after he'd been 'invited' so to speak. Or on a whim? Was there anything in...' if you apply there is a good chance of you getting it? ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Ok - I want to know desperately and please DM me. I've called out so many posters over the years and have yet to get a single reply. Forward to me, I’m intrigued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, spudski said: Yes I realise he applied for it...but was it after he'd been 'invited' so to speak. Or on a whim? Was there anything in...' if you apply there is a good chance of you getting it? ' Obviously that's pretty difficult to know for sure but it's my understanding he applied for it immediately. He was interviewed in the first round of interviews and the decision took 6 weeks to make, so I doubt he was given an indication he'd get the job before applying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: I'll never forget the comment made by Ashton, or it might have been Junior, just prior to DH being appointed. He said that "Dean has got a lot of support from those within the club" we assumed that meant the players, and that is never a good sign when the manager is best mates with the players. Would expect that to have been Tinman. In that he knew more academy types would get a go under Holden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Obviously that's pretty difficult to know for sure but it's my understanding he applied for it immediately. He was interviewed in the first round of interviews and the decision took 6 weeks to make, so I doubt he was given an indication he'd get the job before applying. But your previous post indicated that he 100% applied for it not that you understand he did. Now you are back tracking which indicates that you are not as ITK as you profess to be. Do you know for sure? A simple yes or no will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, BigTone said: But your previous post indicated that he 100% applied for it not that you understand he did. Now you are back tracking which indicates that you are not as ITK as you profess to be. Do you know for sure? A simple yes or no will suffice. Bloody hell Tone. I am certain he applied for it. It is my UNDERSTANDING he applied for it IMMEDIATELY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, spudski said: ...did DH apply for the job, or was he cajoled into the job and suggested he applied by MA, and he went for it? I was thinking this during the week. When we heard , he was thinking it over for the weekend . What were the conditions . On the face of it you’ve got a established championship club that needs a new manager . What is there to think about ? MA says Dean always gets the final sign off on players etc . What if he doesn’t get to choose the pool of players to sign off on. Another one we’re the coaches. He said he knew “simmo” a bit but never knew Downing . This obviously means Ashton brought them in . How can that possibly work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Obviously that's pretty difficult to know for sure but it's my understanding he applied for it immediately. He was interviewed in the first round of interviews and the decision took 6 weeks to make, so I doubt he was given an indication he'd get the job before applying. Fair point. My gut tells me he was a candidate that would have been strongly considered. Purely for the fact, that imo, at the top, they are getting more insular and want everything done their way. I get the impression MA is taking over...and JL just comes across as a wet weekend. SL has numerous interests...I can't help but think MA has taken advantage of a position he was given...he comes across as far more ruthless and a go getter. JL on the other hand just comes across as the lucky son who is only in a job because of his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Bloody hell Tone. I am certain he applied for it. It is my UNDERSTANDING he applied for it IMMEDIATELY. So you really are unsure then based on previous posts. One says he did and one says you understand he did. This post just cements the fact that you really are unsure. Are you certain or do you understand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: I was thinking this during the week. When we heard , he was thinking it over for the weekend . What were the conditions . On the face of it you’ve got a established championship club that needs a new manager . What is there to think about ? MA says Dean always gets the final sign off on players etc . What if he doesn’t get to choose the pool of players to sign off on. Another one we’re the coaches. He said he knew “simmo” a bit but never knew Downing . This obviously means Ashton brought them in . How can that possibly work My thoughts too. A rush job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, BigTone said: So you really are unsure then based on previous posts. One says he did and one says you understand he did. This post just cements the fact that you really are unsure. Are you certain or do you understand ? Tone, how many bottles of Bordeaux red have you had this evening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, spudski said: My thoughts too. A rush job. Because they’d been turned down by Hughton & or cook . what Ashton said on twentymans show stuck with me. not a lot of managers will work with our set up geoff (paraphrasing slightly ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Tone, how many bottles of Bordeaux red have you had this evening? None, thanks very much. Red is not my tipple and tonight I am as jober as a sudge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Because they’d been turned down by Hughton & or cook . what Ashton said on twentymans show stuck with me. not a lot of managers will work with our set up geoff (paraphrasing slightly ) It's something I've been saying for years. The pool of managers that would work under our remit, with the expectation of top 6 is minimal. Because as experienced managers they'd know it was nigh on impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: I was thinking this during the week. When we heard , he was thinking it over for the weekend . What were the conditions . On the face of it you’ve got a established championship club that needs a new manager . What is there to think about ? MA says Dean always gets the final sign off on players etc . What if he doesn’t get to choose the pool of players to sign off on. Another one we’re the coaches. He said he knew “simmo” a bit but never knew Downing . This obviously means Ashton brought them in . How can that possibly work Simpson was his manager at Shrewsbury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, BigTone said: So you really are unsure then based on previous posts. One says he did and one says you understand he did. This post just cements the fact that you really are unsure. Are you certain or do you understand ? My reading of Kid's reply is: Did he apply? Yes. Did he apply immediately (i.e. a question of timing)? I understand he did. Both indicating he was not "invited" to apply at some later point in other words but did so of his own accord at the outset. They don't seem to be contradictory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, spudski said: It's something I've been saying for years. The pool of managers that would work under our remit, with the expectation of top 6 is minimal. Because as experienced managers they'd know it was nigh on impossible. This is why I’ve said for years , we’ll never get to the prem with him at the helm . He’s way to egotistical . He’s not a football man but thinks he is & surrounds himself with people that that strokes that ego. As @Davefevssaid about Ashton , they’re wannabe football men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Simpson was his manager at Shrewsbury. Yes , I knew their paths had crossed but not downing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Yes , I knew their paths had crossed but not downing . Correct....seen Downing at St George’s was about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Correct....seen Downing at St George’s was about it. He was at WBA for 6 years 2009-15 but prob a red herring as doesn’t overlap with MA (Who got WBA and Watford promotes in case you weren’t aware ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said: GMG had a very good source for the Korey Smith leaving story, before it was officially announced. Which caused GMG a bit of bother. Yes correct, it even got to the stage where KS was forced into making a statement when he clearly didn’t want to at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Correct....seen Downing at St George’s was about it. So as spudski intimated . Even though it took nearly two months . It was all rushed towards the end . We obviously don’t know for sure , but it does point that way. MA interview Hughton interview cook , there were more evidently. none of them want the job steve why not mark well it’s down to you and me meddling too much thinking we know about football . well I’m good on fifa , bollocks get deano to do it . what fifa you got steve ? 2014 mark I’ll get some players names over to you sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, chinapig said: My reading of Kid's reply is: Did he apply? Yes. Did he apply immediately (i.e. a question of timing)? I understand he did. Both indicating he was not "invited" to apply at some later point in other words but did so of his own accord at the outset. They don't seem to be contradictory. "He did apply" and then "I understand he applied" are contradictory in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: To me, what I think happened was this: - Board sacked LJ - right decision at the time, ran out of rope - Expectation at the time of sacking was that 20/21 would be more “normal”. Holden asked to take charge on temporary basis, and view to appoint proper manager in summer - Summer comes. Covid still here. Finances not normal. Holden asked to take charge permanently, but one year contract gives a get out I think, had the club known that Covid would have restrictions now, they wouldn’t have sacked Johnson. Holden was intended as a stop gap to normality, and that normality has taken longer than envisaged. If they’d known Covid restrictions would be ongoing until end 2021 season, they’d have not rolled the dice. Thats what the six weeks was. They only appointed Holden when they knew Covid would keep going. I don’t think he applied because he wouldn’t have been given the job under normal circumstances. I do question what happened with Jamie Mac, but that’s another topic. With respect, you are inventing an explanation , using covid, that is simply not true. Maybe trying to explain the unexplainable, but covid was not the reason Holden was appointed. I know that makes it harder to comprehend why they did it, but Covid has no bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, BigTone said: There are so many ITK's that any credibility starts to wane. Some even state to be "substantially ITK". It really does have the opposite effect on any credibility. It seems that many want us to think they know the in and outs of all when the actual fact is that they don't. Problem is they are more than likely way off beam with regards to the truth. The only ITK worth having , are those related to the owner. There is no one on OTIB that has that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: "He did apply" and then "I understand he applied" are contradictory in my mind. The distinction is between whether he applied and when he applied (immediately or later). Kid can speak for himself of course but he seems to be debunking a suggestion some have made that he was invited to apply because the club intended to give him the job anyway. The kind of conspiracy thinking you (and I) dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Psychopomp said: With respect, you are inventing an explanation , using covid, that is simply not true. Maybe trying to explain the unexplainable, but covid was not the reason Holden was appointed. I know that makes it harder to comprehend why they did it, but Covid has no bearing. Ok buddy - if it’s “simply not true”, then what is true? I’m trying to explain the unfathomable, so if you’re adamant I’m wrong, what is it you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, spudski said: It's something I've been saying for years. The pool of managers that would work under our remit, with the expectation of top 6 is minimal. Because as experienced managers they'd know it was nigh on impossible. It was not a pool, it was a puddle. Of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Psychopomp said: It was not a pool, it was a puddle. Of one. So my instinct is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said: Ok buddy - if it’s “simply not true”, the what is true? I’m trying to explain the unfathomable, so if you’re adamant I’m wrong, what is it you know? I just told you. If you wish to invent Covid as the reason Holden was chosen, that is your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Psychopomp said: The only ITK worth having , are those related to the owner. There is no one on OTIB that has that. Many on here think otherwise which is where I have a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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