Sir Geoff Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, The Batman said: Not been a good week for Man Utd. Started off with Rashford and Lingard spending time and being photo'd with drill rapper Wiley, who I can only describe as a Nazi sympathiser based on what he said about Jewish people. Both Rashford and Lingard asked their pr companies to put up half assed apologies on twitter and must use the same one due to the strange choice of the same word. (if you know, you know) And now news about Greenwood has come out. More to this story but I don't want to speculate because of legalities but if you piece things together, it becomes clearer. Like why Southgate didn't select him after Iceland. More to it than just the hotel quarentine breech. I was thinking this yesterday but was unsure of the time lines. Seemed an odd one that he 'asked' to be left out of the Autumn internationals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Batman said: It's a perfectly legitimate point to make. Begs the question did they ask him for a photo and only apologised after the backlash, or did he ask them. I don't know whether they knew who he was or not. I'm too trusting a person and treat it in good faith when someone says something to me (it's a problem of mine) but he's a very popular artist who was banned from all social media because of what he said about Jewish people. He's well known enough in my opinion for them to know who he was. Rashford said he got pulled in for a photo opportunity in a tweet (or his pr company said at least) .... If 2 of our white academy players had a pic with Tommy Robinson and used the same excuse Rashford and Lingard's pr company came out with "it was a photo op, wasn't aware of any comments" , would it be as glossed over? I'd say not. I'd say they'd be out of here ASAP. But that's hypothetical and some don't like those on here. Glad my questions were taken in the way it was meant, just a general thought really. I’d be surprised if Rashford didn’t know who Wiley was, but it’s plausible he didn’t know about the comments. I think you’re probably right about Tommy Robinson example though not specifically in that circumstance. It’s a little different if the questionable person is bigger than the people they’re having a photo with - I was trying to think of a better example but couldn’t but get the point you’re making Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Glad my questions were taken in the way it was meant, just a general thought really. I’d be surprised if Rashford didn’t know who Wiley was, but it’s plausible he didn’t know about the comments. I think you’re probably right about Tommy Robinson example though not specifically in that circumstance. It’s a little different if the questionable person is bigger than the people they’re having a photo with - I was trying to think of a better example but couldn’t but get the point you’re making Yeah I knew what you meant by it. I get my example wasnt quite apples with apples but I was multitasking and couldn't think of anyone else off the top of my head. How about David Starkey? As if any footballer would be in a photo with him anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 30/01/2022 at 18:04, mozo said: The comparison of Rashford and Greenwood I find interesting. Both young millionaires with everything handed on a plate. One is potentially abusive (putting it mildly), and one is altruistic. So is this nature or nurture or if both where do the two meet? I don't know anything about Mason Greenwood's background, but I did read (following the current scandal) that he won a competition as a model as a very young boy, receiving a cheque and a year's guidance with an agency. I have also read several articles about Marcus Rashford's childhood and how, just like Leeds' Kalvin Phillips, they grew up in virtual poverty and were heavily influnced by their mother. The latter two appear to have developed into thoroughly decent young men. A coincidence, perhaps, but Mum usually knows best, and it would do these young stars a lot of good if they would remember their roots, rather than let their privileged position go to their heads. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 "Futher arrested on suspicion of sexual assault and threats to kill" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Has been further arrested on suspicion of sexual assault and threats to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityal Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Super said: Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean? I am sure @Fordy62 will be able to answer - but i presume in the course of these investigations further offences came to light so they have arrested him again for those. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Super said: Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean? Means you can keep him banged up longer I think................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Super said: Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean? @Fordy62! Reading the statement, I think it’s that they have established through the questioning of Greenwood they have enough to extend the potential charges, and as opposed to having to give a charge/no charge in the normal timeframe, the additional charges are both a way to increase (correctly assumedly) what he may be on the hook for and subsequently allow further time to hold him. The statement still refers to one victim, so it must continue to relate to his (hopefully ex) partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCbrs Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 23 hours ago, The Batman said: Not been a good week for Man Utd. Started off with Rashford and Lingard spending time and being photo'd with drill rapper Wiley, who I can only describe as a Nazi sympathiser based on what he said about Jewish people. Both Rashford and Lingard asked their pr companies to put up half assed apologies on twitter and must use the same one due to the strange choice of the same word. (if you know, you know) And now news about Greenwood has come out. More to this story but I don't want to speculate because of legalities but if you piece things together, it becomes clearer. Like why Southgate didn't select him after Iceland. More to it than just the hotel quarentine breech. He’s a grime rapper, never made a drill song in his life. And despite his views outside of the music scene which I don’t agree with, he pretty much invented the genre so can understand why they wanted their photos taken with him. He also has several mental health problems so can see that he may have said some things on social media that he probably regrets a lot now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, cityal said: I am sure @Fordy62 will be able to answer - but i presume in the course of these investigations further offences came to light so they have arrested him again for those. Right… so it’s fair to say that after the social media allegations GMP had reasonable grounds to suspect he’d committed the offences of rape and assault. He was therefore arrested. I would assume that the further arrested means that post his arrest GMP discovered evidence of further offences they now had cause to suspect him of committing. My assumption would be that these would have come through obtaining a statement from the complainant which they probably didn’t have prior to his arrest. It doesn’t mean a great deal to be honest, other than that there are other offences that they’re now looking at. It doesn’t give them any more time, but as someone suggested, the range of offences has now increased. Being a betting man, I’d suggest a charge is round the corner and he’ll be held by police until court the day after he’s charged. My bet would then be that some highly paid barrister will manage to get him bail further on down the line. Edit: I’d definitely have a cheeky ton on him being charged tomorrow. Looks like GMP are really going to town on him - you rarely see Mags Court extensions for anything other than murder. I think he’d have been released by now if they weren’t going to charge him - but I suppose I am wrong on occasions! Edited February 1, 2022 by Fordy62 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 57 minutes ago, YCbrs said: He’s a grime rapper, never made a drill song in his life. That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 23 hours ago, SimonR said: Maybe I come from a different era but this is very clever (and funny) if it's true he could well end up somewhere like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time. Chris Farlowe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Could be a decent local Lags Eleven (remember the Beano) in 12 months time, Mendy, Giggs, Greenwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, pillred said: Chris Farlowe? I'm old enough to be able to sing his Stones cover, though Atomic Rooster were never my bag. As to whether he's more Grime than Drill, wouldn't have a Scooby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time. To help you out. A grime wrapper is something (usually and old newspaper) that you use to encase something oily or greasy so you don’t get it all over your hands. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Could be a decent local Lags Eleven (remember the Beano) in 12 months time, Mendy, Giggs, Greenwood. Barton as Manager? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Meanwhile, Raith Rovers have signed rapist David Goodwillie - and their CEO, who presumably would have sanctioned this, is female. Prosecuters did not pursue the case through the Courts, but Godwillie and another player were ordered to each pay the victim £50,000 through a civil court hearing. Life long supporter, novelist Val McDermid will no longer sponsor their shirts, and has destroyed her season ticket. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, In the Net said: Meanwhile, Raith Rovers have signed rapist David Goodwillie - and their CEO, who presumably would have sanctioned this, is female. Prosecuters did not pursue the case through the Courts, but Godwillie and another player were ordered to each pay the victim £50,000 through a civil court hearing. Life long supporter, novelist Val McDermid will no longer sponsor their shirts, and has destroyed her season ticket. Proper order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCbrs Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 39 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time. Haha, drill is awful in my opinion, and I’m only 27. Grime is like fast rap that takes significant skill but drill is just talking about shooting people and stabbing people constantly with absolutely minimal ‘flow’ in terms of rapping skill. My opinion obviously but younger people seem to enjoy it I guess so guess I’m not a target audience 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 30 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: I'm old enough to be able to sing his Stones cover, though Atomic Rooster were never my bag. As to whether he's more Grime than Drill, wouldn't have a Scooby. Wow, I had almost forgotten all about them. Tomorrow Night and Devil's Answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, In the Net said: Meanwhile, Raith Rovers have signed rapist David Goodwillie - and their CEO, who presumably would have sanctioned this, is female. Prosecuters did not pursue the case through the Courts, but Godwillie and another player were ordered to each pay the victim £50,000 through a civil court hearing. Life long supporter, novelist Val McDermid will no longer sponsor their shirts, and has destroyed her season ticket. Lest not forget we were once interested in him...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Wow, I had almost forgotten all about them. Tomorrow Night and Devil's Answer. They should have left it at the Crazy World of Arthur Brown as without a front-man sporting blazing antlers there's only one way to go (and it ain't upward...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, YCbrs said: Haha, drill is awful in my opinion, and I’m only 27. Grime is like fast rap that takes significant skill but drill is just talking about shooting people and stabbing people constantly with absolutely minimal ‘flow’ in terms of rapping skill. My opinion obviously but younger people seem to enjoy it I guess so guess I’m not a target audience Thanks for the explanation but I began to get confused when hip-hop morphed into rap and other than Eminem my old-gimmer response has always been:"What's that they said ..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, YCbrs said: He’s a grime rapper, never made a drill song in his life. And despite his views outside of the music scene which I don’t agree with, he pretty much invented the genre so can understand why they wanted their photos taken with him. 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time. I was going to make the same point as YCbrs, but didn't really want to get pulled into the thread just to show I'm a 58-year-old music nerd. Oh shit. I just have. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: They should have left it at the Crazy World of Arthur Brown as without a front-man sporting blazing antlers there's only one way to go (and it ain't upward...) Bringing Ginger Baker in for a while must have helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWilson Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, pillred said: Chris Farlowe? https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/pop-singer-chris-farlowe-with-nazi-memorabilia-in-his-secondhand-shop-stall-at-camden-passage-box-661-101501164-ajpg-5742095a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIAN WILSON Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, pillred said: Chris Farlowe? Hey its not a Greenwood song, its by Stones Just trying to inject a bit of humour in an extreme shitstorm of a story Edited February 1, 2022 by BRIAN WILSON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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