Pearson post match

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

It is pathetic it really is. Now we have look at Boro look at Forrest. Really ! Compare the squads . We are not there yet. We are jumbled mess of a squad, still hampered by injuries and with a poor last summer recruitment (for many reasons some justified some not) . Big summer coming, we need  some help (Webster and Kelly sold on please) to ease FFP and allow us to get a balanced squad. There has been some good football played recently , excellent, but it is let down by some very deeply rooted issues that need time to resolve. Pearson or no Pearson, these issues will need to be sorted . It is still astonishing that people cannot see or understand the total mess Ashton (and by implication LJ) and SL created. Add in a massive losses and FFP issues, and this mess is a big one. But that is another subject. Onwards. 

If Pearson was ducked out of it what would happen is the next Manager would take over our shit show without any money to spend but would need time to analyse what he has been left by Pearson. Time Pearson doesn’t need any longer as he knows the score. This time next season when the new guy is in a similar position to now because he hasn’t had the benefit of a year here that Pearson’s had we will have the same loons on here, half of whom don’t actually pay to watch us, calling for Steve to get the axe out and sack that Manager.

To not be able to see and understand how deep rooted our problems are really takes some doing. In fact I’d like to congratulate those who are so oblivious to it…….you must walk round in a daze 24/7

[Waconda]

9 minutes ago, Super said:

He is spot on.

In being wrong

[Waconda]

11 minutes ago, P'head Red said:

The ones we turned over the other week, yes, that's him. 

Drew 2-2

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

8 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I would argue that any highly paid professional sportsperson who needs to be motivated by management to perform at their best for the benefit of the team, isn’t fit for a place in the team. You shouldn’t need to coach desire and determination; it should be a pre-requisite.

And I'd argue that any professional manager who consistently can't motivate his squad after over a year isn't fit to manage long term. Since when has BCFC become the home of players who wont play for their shirt yet the manager is beyond criticism and in some way beyond responsibility? Osman, Ward, Delboy, Johnson, Millen, Pemberton, Holden, O'Driscoll- all never got the forgiveness that Pearson has on otib. Yes, players got serious stick but it always came down to the Manager and now in the "OTIB through the looking glass"- it's all about the players and poor ol' manager who has been dealt a shit card. 

And out of genuine interest- exactly how many matches have you seen live this season?  because you know full well that a game on telly does not begin to show the full picture as a live game where you can watch players off the ball as well as connecting with fans who turn up week in week out.

 

P.s there are about 100 posters on here right now and about 480 on the MDT today which is near maximum. There are over 12000 ST holders and the great disconnect is obvious as are the polarised opinions of otib.

 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, VT05763 said:

That is one option.

Sticking and hoping is another

So where’s all this “hoping” come from?

Post Wednesday you were all “fact” that it was all looking up and had been since it all came to a head on Nige’s return in November, he’d galvanised us.

You constantly change your view based on your perceived nuggets of insight from the depths of the HPC.

So what do YOU really think / want?

[Roger Red Hat]

20 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Because I watch players giving poor displays and then improving two days after a new manager comes in. A lot of that will be motivation to impress the new manager and they weren’t motivated to impress the old.  I’ve heard lots of ex pros talking about man management and motivation.  Players talking about running through a brick wall for a manager.  
 

Genuinely thought this was common knowledge 

I asked how you know 'MOST players' need motivating. 

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

So where’s all this “hoping” come from?

Post Wednesday you were all “fact” that it was all looking up and had been since it all came to a head on Nige’s return in November, he’d galvanised us.

You constantly change your view based on your perceived nuggets of insight from the depths of the HPC.

So what do YOU really think / want?

Yes hoping that it comes good and there has been improvement since the Blackburn game but it is still hope only.

[Bris Red]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

If Pearson was ducked out of it what would happen is the next Manager would take over our shit show without any money to spend but would need time to analyse what he has been left by Pearson. Time Pearson doesn’t need any longer as he knows the score. This time next season when the new guy is in a similar position to now because he hasn’t had the benefit of a year here that Pearson’s had we will have the same loons on here, half of whom don’t actually pay to watch us, calling for Steve to get the axe out and sack that Manager.

To not be able to see and understand how deep rooted our problems are really takes some doing. In fact I’d like to congratulate those who are so oblivious to it…….you must walk round in a daze 24/7

Agreed. It will just be the same merry go round with a new manager. He will (and quite rightly) need time to review the squad and will then need more time to implement his ideas. It would also probably mean yet another shift around of the backroom staff which again all takes time as we have seen with Pearson who has only just this season got the team he wanted.

In reality unless we employ some miracle worker and somehow have a blank cheque book for him in the process a new manager would without doubt set us back another 12-18 months IMO.
 

All i will say and I’m sure the board will be of the same opinion is improvement is needed next season. We aren’t going down this year but things namely the defence and our woeful goals conceded record needs to improve. If they don’t then irrespective of the points i made above the bullet will quite rightly be pulled on Pearson.

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So where’s all this “hoping” come from?

Post Wednesday you were all “fact” that it was all looking up and had been since it all came to a head on Nige’s return in November, he’d galvanised us.

You constantly change your view based on your perceived nuggets of insight from the depths of the HPC.

So what do YOU really think / want?

My lad was in a current Championship club’s Academy (not City’s) and I can tell you the amount that ANY parent knew about the goings on in the First Team was sweet **** all!!

[Roger Red Hat]

10 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

Pep for all his motivational speeches gave up on Barcelona. 

Did he 'give up'? Or did he want a break and then a new challenge.

[Davefevs]

Just now, VT05763 said:

Yes hoping that it comes good and there has been improvement since the Blackburn game but it is still hope only.

But you were categoric you knew why it was better and that it was better because you had the inside track.

[Rob k]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Pearson says you cannot give players desire. I’d argue you can, it’s called motivating players 

As a manager i never accepted that it was my job to motivate anyone to work. You sell your time to an employer, motivate yourself to earn your wages. If you can’t do that then cheerio 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said:

I asked how you know 'MOST players' need motivating. 

Sorry to butt in but if most players dont need some sort of motivation then why bother with a manager? How do some really mediocre teams become so much more than the sum of their parts? Why did Barnsley make the play offs? Why do bog average teams suddenly become world beaters? 

[And Its Smith]

5 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

I asked how you know 'MOST players' need motivating. 

Because I’ve read articles about it and listened to interviews. Allardyce does a course on motivating players and teams. Guardiola talks about the need to motivate players. The FA cover player motivation in their coaching courses.  I could go on but I can’t be bothered. Pretty sure they wouldn’t bother if under 50% of players needed motivating!

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Rob k said:

As a manager i never accepted that it was my job to motivate anyone to work. You sell your time to an employer, motivate yourself to earn your wages. If you can’t do that then cheerio 

And that may have worked for your line of work. Maybe we should bow to the knowledge of football managers though eh when they say players need motivating. Sure they know more than me and you 

[Phileas Fogg]

4 minutes ago, Rob k said:

As a manager i never accepted that it was my job to motivate anyone to work. You sell your time to an employer, motivate yourself to earn your wages. If you can’t do that then cheerio 

I don't agree with that. A manager has to understand his team and the individuals - what makes them tick, how they are motivated and how they enjoy work. This is especially important when you're managing young men who have an awful lot of money in an incredibly emotive team sport. 

I think that a manger who doesn't think it's their job to motivate their team is a poor manager who lacks basic skills. 

[Waconda]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But you were categoric you knew why it was better and that it was better because you had the inside track.

No, just what I saw on the pitch. The coaching and tactics had obviously improved and the change of formation.

[Southport Red]

I think that motivation only comes from within. It is up to every individual to motivate them self. The role of a manager is to create an environment where self motivation is easier (making people feel valued/when to be hard or soft/feedback and coaching etc). This is hard enough in the regular world, in a world where20-somethings earn tens of thousands a week, it must be very difficult. 

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

How often has James Taylor played RWB for the u23s?

I've seen fire and I've seen rain
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend
But I always thought that I'd play right wing back again

[Rob k]

3 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

I think that motivation only comes from within. It is up to every individual to motivate them self. The role of a manager is to create an environment where self motivation is easier (making people feel valued/when to be hard or soft/feedback and coaching etc). This is hard enough in the regular world, in a world where20-somethings earn tens of thousands a week, it must be very difficult. 

You said it much better than me!! 

[Banjo Red]

The brutal honesty of it all is we are currently through covid and poor account management stuck with some sub par players that through necessity are having to be played. You can coach and train the players all you want if they don't master the basics and repeat the same mistakes you can't blame the manager for that. As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

If their attitude isn't right also then it's time to move on.

We all as shite as it is need to be patient. Nige will come good and we can build a team again to be proud of, it will just sadly take time.

[AshtonRobin21]

2 hours ago, Harry R said:

He knows how to push fans' buttons, does Pearson. Plays up to his image as a no-nonsense hard man. 

He had a clearout last summer but apparently he needs another one. 

A less famous manager would have been sacked a while ago.

Pearson only cleared out the players who were out of contract.

However, that doesn't account for the other players who remained contracted for this season. If no club makes an approach for them, then he cannot just choose to "get rid". 

Our financial situation hasn't allowed him to make his own mark on this squad yet. And the rebuild is still in the early phases. 

Please tell me which of our players are desirable to other clubs, other than our promising youngsters that we need to build around. 

Kalas? - nobody is touching his wages in the current climate. 

Bentley - A good keeper, but would cost in the region of £3m-£4m. Most teams won't pay that for keeper in this league. He wouldn't be a first choice for a Prem team. 

As seen in the January window, teams won't pay money for the likes of Palmer, Wells and Dasilva who are on big money. 

So your statement about Pearson having already had his clearout is nonsense. He merely scratched the surface with last summer's business. 

It will take another 12-18 months for the overpaid dross to be shipped out. And the process will not be pretty. Many who were once signed for big fees, will leave on free transfers or for a minor fee. 

And only when this happens, will we begin to see a genuine rebuild begin to take shape. 

Strap in, because we are only in the early stages of a very long process. 

If you cannot understand and appreciate a manager who is trying his best with the tools at his disposal, then you don't deserve to celebrate the success when it eventually comes our way. 

 

[And Its Smith]

Just now, billywedlock said:

Well I prefer to listen to Pep on the subject, and I have on many occasions, about what makes a successful player. I can guarantee you that Pep will not be running around trying to motivate any players he uses. He has many other things to do and did not leave Barca for that reason. Ok, you cannot be bothered to educate yourself, that is fine. Shame, you might enjoy it. 

 

 

[LondonBristolian]

28 minutes ago, Rob k said:

As a manager i never accepted that it was my job to motivate anyone to work. You sell your time to an employer, motivate yourself to earn your wages. If you can’t do that then cheerio 

Problem with that is twofold.

1) It only really works in situations where you can easily get rid of (and replace) staff. Footballers have specialist skills and are not easy to move on or replace. If we take Vyner as an example, Pearson could just freeze him out but we then lose right back and centre-back cover in a small squad and we've got him for another year if we can't move him on in the summer. There's some businesses where you can easily get rid of staff. But there's a few - football included when finances are tight - where getting rid of staff is tough and you pretty much have no choice but to get the best out of what you have. 

2) theoretically people should find their own motivation but it comes more naturally to some than others. And sometimes putting a little of work in with someone can produce an unexpected gem of an employee. 

At the same time, I think my view is that most people can motivate themselves but bad managers can kill that motivation and the trick to management is often trying to avoid being the one that demotivates people whilst also dealing with the damage wrought by previous managers who damaged the motivation of the unmotivated staff...

[Lrrr]

2 hours ago, VT05763 said:

                                  Bentley

                    Cundy     Kalas     Klose

             Taylor                                Pring

                         Scott     Owers

                                Weimann

                       Semenyo     Conway

no offence to either of them but a Scott/Owers midfield would be overrun by most championship teams, even if you said 343 and Taylor and Pring outside them its not enough

[And Its Smith]

4 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

Oh you must be right then.

He was exhausted at the politics and interference. Well he said that at an event I went to and in his book and multiple interviews. 

Get yourself educated. It will help you understand elite performance . You clearly have no desire to improve your knowledge, that is sad for you, as you clearly have an interest in the subject.  There is so much out there, it really is a fantastic subject. You will be able to observe the difference at AG between certain players and watch their relative career paths. 

 

 

You have read things and been told things that form your viewpoint and I have read and been told things that form my viewpoint, including talks from the FA and managers about motivating players.  I’ve shown you an article of Pep saying he left because he couldn’t motivate his players. That might not be the only reason but he’s given it as a reason. I think you only see and hear what confirms your beliefs which is fine. 

[MC RISK77]

1 hour ago, SecretSam said:

Anyone can become de-motivated. Doesn't mean they're bad at their job. In some cases, it just means that because they aren't being managed correctly, they aren't performing to their max.

Spot on - totally agree

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, Lrrr said:

no offence to either of them but a Scott/Owers midfield would be overrun by most championship teams, even if you said 343 and Taylor and Pring outside them its not enough

Just an example for the "there are no options" brigade.

As there are no expectations on results NP could pick different players.

[Davefevs]

27 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Pearson only cleared out the players who were out of contract.

However, that doesn't account for the other players who remained contracted for this season. If no club makes an approach for them, then he cannot just choose to "get rid". 

Our financial situation hasn't allowed him to make his own mark on this squad yet. And the rebuild is still in the early phases. 

Please tell me which of our players are desirable to other clubs, other than our promising youngsters that we need to build around. 

Kalas? - nobody is touching his wages in the current climate. 

Bentley - A good keeper, but would cost in the region of £3m-£4m. Most teams won't pay that for keeper in this league. He wouldn't be a first choice for a Prem team. 

As seen in the January window, teams won't pay money for the likes of Palmer, Wells and Dasilva who are on big money. 

So your statement about Pearson having already had his clearout is nonsense. He merely scratched the surface with last summer's business. 

It will take another 12-18 months for the overpaid dross to be shipped out. And the process will not be pretty. Many who were once signed for big fees, will leave on free transfers or for a minor fee. 

And only when this happens, will we begin to see a genuine rebuild begin to take shape. 

Strap in, because we are only in the early stages of a very long process. 

If you cannot understand and appreciate a manager who is trying his best with the tools at his disposal, then you don't deserve to celebrate the success when it eventually comes our way. 

 

I wish that there was a condensed for the twitterati!!!

 

Lordy, effing, Lordy.

[Waconda]

30 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

 

Awkward.

It is truly amazing how many people on here do not think it is the managers job to motivate players.

Shocking actually.