BUTOR Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) Really, bizarrely, embarrassingly bad yesterday. Passive. To the point where it was awkward. What is happening? We would never allow ourselves to get outsung to such a blatant extent by rivals in the past, and I’m talking 5 years ago not 20. Something has changed and I’m not exactly sure what it is. But what can we do about it? Push the club into extending S82? **** off the club and start a fan led movement to another block in the ground, nearer the away end? Is anyone actually arsed enough to make it happen? It’s such an easy place for away teams to come right now. And I don’t buy that it’s ‘the same at every Championship ground’ because even ******* Reading were louder than the Gate last weekend. I haven’t been anywhere as quiet this season and most grounds have actually made a bit of noise. We need to get on top of it, surely we’d all rather be in an engaging and noisy space than a dull and lifeless one. Edited October 30, 2022 by Bouncearoundtheground 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bouncearoundtheground said: Really, bizarrely, embarrassingly bad yesterday. Passive. To the point where it was awkward. What is happening? We would never allow ourselves to get outsung to such a blatant extent by rivals in the past, and I’m talking 5 years ago not 20. Something has changed and I’m not exactly sure what it is. But what can we do about it? Push the club into extending S82? **** off the club and start a fan led movement to another block in the ground, nearer the away end? Is anyone actually arsed enough to make it happen? It’s such an easy place for away teams to come right now. And I don’t buy that it’s ‘the same at every Championship ground’ because even ******* Reading were louder than the Gate last weekend. I haven’t been anywhere as quiet this season and most grounds have actually made a bit of noise. We need to get on top of it, surely we’d all rather be in an engaging and noisy space than a dull and lifeless one. Just seems like all the fight and life has drained out of the fan base post covid for whatever reason and that is a little sad. Move s82 to A block Dolman - job done. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Not again! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 I did think it was particularly quiet yesterday but the midday kick off certainly doesn’t help. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I did think it was particularly quiet yesterday but the midday kick off certainly doesn’t help. What time did the game kick off for Swansea then..? It didn't seem to bother their supporters. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Nearly Every home teams fans say the same , it’s just how it is away fans are nearly always more vocal than home fans unless the home team are 2 or 3 goals to the good . out will come is this a library & where’s your famous atmosphere blah blah blah don’t think we are any better or any worse than the majority of other teams 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Time to give Russ Abbott a call 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Rob k said: Move s82 to A block Dolman - job done. This would certainly improve the situation. Club don’t want it though. Too much hassle to police/steward it, much easier to stick our vocal fans away at the opposite end of the stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Thought everyone, even the Swansea fans had sung themselves out by about 30/40 minutes.....seemed more like fatigue to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Is it me or do the games against Swansea feel more like a derby these days than when we play Cardiff? Seems a genuine dislike there between the two sets of fans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZumerZetSmithy Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 First Reading fans were quite until the 2nd goal . City fans were quite as well. Yesterday I felt the fans were nervous. Section 82 is a joke . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 44 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: What time did the game kick off for Swansea then..? It didn't seem to bother their supporters. Pretty standard for away fans, all congregated together in one place in those sort of numbers, to be vocal. Just like us at West Brom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 At recent Anglo-Welsh derbies there seem to have been more of our ‘vocal’ element in Dolman A block next to the away fans. Yesterday there weren’t nearly as many as usual in that area. It also looked as if S82 was a bit more empty than usual too. It did mean it was a bit subdued yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 9 hours ago, Rob k said: Move s82 to A block Dolman - job done. Then they will moan that they can't stand up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, redkev said: Nearly Every home teams fans say the same , it’s just how it is away fans are nearly always more vocal than home fans unless the home team are 2 or 3 goals to the good . out will come is this a library & where’s your famous atmosphere blah blah blah don’t think we are any better or any worse than the majority of other teams This topic comes up regularly and various remedies are suggested but ultimately it’s down to the positing of the way and hoe fans. The police want to keep visiting fans congregated in one part of the stadium - the Atyeo which provides easy access to Ashton Rd and exiting. The acoustics in the Atyeo are excellent where a small number can create quite a din with sound deflecting off the roof out onto the pitch. It’s not the same in the SS where most sound created dissipates upwards and the away fans can’t hardly them - hence the chants of “is this a library?” Unfortunatey there’s nothing much that can be done to improve things. Edited October 30, 2022 by Robbored 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 58 minutes ago, ZumerZetSmithy said: First Reading fans were quite until the 2nd goal . City fans were quite as well. Yesterday I felt the fans were nervous. Section 82 is a joke . Quite..........what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 37 minutes ago, maxjak said: Quite..........what? Quite funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: What time did the game kick off for Swansea then..? It didn't seem to bother their supporters. TBF it was their big day out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robbored said: The acoustics in the Atyeo are excellent where a small number can create quite a din with sound deflecting off the roof out onto the pitch. It’s not the same in the SS where most sound created dissipates upwards and the away fans can’t hardly them - hence the chants of “is this a library?” While I agree with a lot of this post Robbored, I'm still unconvinced by the argument that the Atyeo has excellent acoustics. It's pedantic and I think they are probably the best in the ground in the modernised form but I doubt that they are excellent in their own right. Edited October 30, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Early kick offs, let alone midday often kill the atmosphere although that said the one v Cardiff was good. Was it that bad for a typical midday kick off type game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 54 minutes ago, Robbored said: This topic comes up regularly and various remedies are suggested but ultimately it’s down to the positing of the way and hoe fans. The police want to keep visiting fans congregated in one part of the stadium - the Atyeo which provides easy access to Ashton Rd and exiting. The acoustics in the Atyeo are excellent where a small number can create quite a din with sound deflecting off the roof out onto the pitch. It’s not the same in the SS where most sound created dissipates upwards and the away fans can’t hardly them - hence the chants of “is this a library?” Unfortunatey there’s nothing much that can be done to improve things. You'd have hoped that acoustics would have been a major factor when the stands were designed, but I guess not. However if people aren't making any noise, the design of the roof is mute. But none of this was an issue when we played Manchester United. Participation is key, but lots of people aren't motivated enough to involve themselves most of the time: if they stop looking at their phones, its only to wave them in the air with the flashlight on. Also the timing of the kick off and the dull way the opposition played didn't help yesterday. PS I can't really tell from your post whether you're a hoe fan or not, but given recent disagreements on the forum, I'm not going to come down on either side of that particularly thorny fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: PS I can't really tell from your post whether you're a hoe fan or not, but given recent disagreements on the forum, I'm not going to come down on either side of that particularly thorny fence. Just a typo……… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: What time did the game kick off for Swansea then..? It didn't seem to bother their supporters. I thought Swansea fans were pretty quiet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZumerZetSmithy Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, maxjak said: Quite..........what? What I love is spell check for a man who can't spell. A reason not post on here . As bad as racist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I thought Swansea fans were pretty quiet. I'm somewhat equidistant or was Saturday between the two, can really depend where people sit as to how sound travels in the ground (middle of Dolman), thought they were reasonable at times albeit nothing amazing. Thought some of ours were okay at times but again nothing amazing. That's the other thing, I don't know why it is- perhaps the same everywhere, perhaps since the redevelopment but sound doesn't seem to travel so well within the ground! I remember reading on here after our first game back v Brentford in 2015, post Dolman and South Stand redevelopment some Brentford fan said they could see we were clearly signing ie when the Singing Section was in the Atyeo but that they couldn't hear much! This was the same stand so can imagine how it is elsewhere. Edited October 30, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said: Then they will moan that they can't stand up. And that it costs more. And that it takes so long to get out of the stand, they can't knock back 3 pints at half time, and that they aren't in their rightful home (which, depending on your age could be pretty much anywhere in the stadium), and that. And that. And that. And that. Reality is, situation isn't gonna change, s82 have made the best of where they are. Yesterday most people were probably several pints light on where they usually are because it was an early kick off, and whilst I'm sure it won't be long until someone suggests that the remodel the stadium to keep a small section of supporters happy, there is nothing stopping anyone from having a sing if they want one, regardless of where they are. Everyone enjoys a slightly different match day experience, most people are catered for. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, ZumerZetSmithy said: What I love is spell check for a man who can't spell. A reason not post on here . As bad as racist ZumersetSmithy speak with forked tongue?......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: I thought Swansea fans were pretty quiet. They sang until we scored, after which "is this a library?" could apply to the Atyeo! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'm somewhat equidistant or was Saturday between the two, can really depend where people sit as to how sound travels in the ground (middle of Dolman), thought they were reasonable at times albeit nothing amazing. Thought some of ours were okay at times but again nothing amazing. That's the other thing, I don't know why it is- perhaps the same everywhere, perhaps since the redevelopment but sound doesn't seem to travel so well within the ground! I remember reading on here after our first game back v Brentford in 2015, post Dolman and South Stand redevelopment some Brentford fan said they could see we were clearly signing ie when the Singing Section was in the Atyeo but that they couldn't hear much! This was the same stand so can imagine how it is elsewhere. You would have thought that someone, possibly an expert on acoustics and sound design could have advised the club on the optimum part of the stadium to amplify sound to it's utmost? Or be consulted on how to create an area of the ground where the correct design could be adopted to project the loudest sound towards the pitch? I know, I know............when you cannot even fix the PA to function to a level where people can hear announcements............then what are the Pheckin chances.....Ha!! Edited October 30, 2022 by maxjak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, maxjak said: You would have thought that someone, possibly an expert on acoustics and sound design could have advised the club on the optimum part of the stadium to amplify sound to it's utmost? Or be consulted on how to create an area of the ground where the correct design could be adopted to project the loudest sound towards the pitch? I know, I know............when you cannot even fix the PA to function to a level where people can hear announcements............then what are the Pheckin chances.....Ha!! Strange fact but modern stand and stadia design for whatever reason, certainly here but maybe everywhere seemingly are not so good for acoustics. Maybe it's a myth but I am sure I also saw it on here. Don't disagree with your post though but I reckon if you took 10 older stands and 10 new builds, more of the former would retain, project whatever sound better. Edited October 30, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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