Winterstoke toad Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: This is such utter nonsense - not from you, but from everyone who uses this argument. When the Atyeo was the home end, people used to complain that the acciustics were rubbish..! What about the "good old days" what atmospheres were supposedly better... Did all this open terraced have good acoustics...?! If people sing & shout, it makes noise, end of. Of course acciustics can be improved upon by stadium design - but it's a simple case of making noise, generates noise. When section 82 was in the atyeo it was only a poxy small section of it so it can’t be compared to away fans having the whole stand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Why the answer always where the fans sit? They get moved and it doesn’t improve. The answer is more fans need to sing if we want a good atmosphere. The Best atmospheres I’ve been too at other grounds in recent seasons was Coventry and Birmingham, both sets of fans are close to the away fans. There is also a reason why atmospheres at City are generally better v Gas, Milwall, Leeds etc,rather than Wigan, reading or Rotherham. if i had my way I’d give the whole of the Atyeo to away fans too to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rob k said: The Best atmospheres I’ve been too at other grounds in recent seasons was Coventry and Birmingham, both sets of fans are close to the away fans. There is also a reason why atmospheres at City are generally better v Gas, Milwall, Leeds etc,rather than Wigan, reading or Rotherham. if i had my way I’d give the whole of the Atyeo to away fans too to help. Cov fabs were awesome at AG last season, sang loud all game. This season not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: One of the most notorious stadiums in English football for intimidating & hostile atmosphere - acoustic design or because people made noise...? Precisely, went there a few times with City, and that ground rocked with 10,000 in it. Acoustics, design of the ground - nonsense. Just make some noise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Ninian Park. An absolute shithole but an amazing atmosphere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: One of the most notorious stadiums in English football for intimidating & hostile atmosphere - acoustic design or because people made noise...? You have highlighted a ground where acoustics at the rears of stand were great. Great to be in as small crowds congregated at the rear sounded loud for the numbers. It was a unusual stadium as Millwalls fans would walk around 3/4 of it and change ends. The 2-2 when Aizelwood scored, and Millwalls firm ambushed City at London bridge under escort was so noisy because the majority of the gate (4-5 thousand) was in one end under the same low roof alongside 350-400 hardcore City fans on a mid week night. Edited October 30, 2022 by Cowshed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Tin Soldier said: Agreed. Actually feel a bit sorry for the football fans of today’s era because you will never recreate the AG atmosphere of bygone years IMO. The whole day out at the football has changed. Real shame, but really glad I was there in the 80s and 90s. They were great days. You missed the best decade, they were greater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 11 hours ago, redkev said: Nearly Every home teams fans say the same , it’s just how it is away fans are nearly always more vocal than home fans unless the home team are 2 or 3 goals to the good . out will come is this a library & where’s your famous atmosphere blah blah blah don’t think we are any better or any worse than the majority of other teams Stoke, the game when so close to promotion to the prem. Probably the only time I've heard genuinely genuinely loud home fans. I was massively taken aback at the time, like wow that's loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: While I agree with a lot of this post Robbored, I'm still unconvinced by the argument that the Atyeo has excellent acoustics. It's pedantic and I think they are probably the best in the ground in the modernised form but I doubt that they are excellent in their own right. Before the new rebuilt. It was considered a death trap for atmosphere. Due to typical wind direction , and the fact it holds nothing in It's funny it's now seen as an atmosphere mecca. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Red Skin said: Think it was a mistake to have a 'singing section'. If these fans were spread around the stands there'd be more chance of getting others around them singing. We never needed one in the past. Hard to say because you need that focal point think the East End was that and though I don't remember the hold days, I remember it until 2014, perhaps from early 2000's. Otoh, pre this you had, talking late 1990s to sometime in 2000's: Atyeo H Block Dolman B AND A Latterly, Subbers moved into Dolman G, plus later to that part of the Williams although dunno if it detracted from Dolman A and B and Atyeo H. Likewise did reopwinf the East End to home fans, albeit shared with away fans detract from Atyeo H, Dolman A and B, or even the latter Subbers in Dolman G or the end of the Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromeReds Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 5 hours ago, And Its Smith said: We have a singing section. Doesn’t matter where it is. The more people that sing, the better the atmosphere. Better songs might help songs spread around the stadium. But ultimately this is football now in the main. Pretty much every ground has a poor atmosphere Thats not true mate, plenty of grounds with really good atmospheres still. Take Burnley for example, the noisy / singing section (call it what you want), are right next to the away fans, they make loads of noise and get the whole ground going... throw a drum in the mix and it also stifles the away fans. Swansea, Hull, West Brom, Coventry, Derby, even Reading last weekend had a better atmosphere than Ashton Gate - All have noisy home fans next to the away fans. Things need to change, I’m all for moving to block A of the dolman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Robbored said: Why do you suppose that the Wedlocks, East End, covered end call it what you like was so atmospheric? It was the acoustics caused by the salient and low roof that propelled sound out onto the pitch. The away fans in the open could hardly be heard because the sound dissipated upwards. Acustics make a huge difference. Oh please. The argument on here half the time in the past was that the East End roof was keeping all the noise in, and that's why you couldn't hear the atmosphere around the ground! Not to mention that there were multiple groups of singers (like the netters) who would start competing songs or sing at different speeds. Does everyone have that short memories or what? Play good exciting football, win games, people will make noise wherever they are and whatever shape the stand they're sitting or standing in is. We've been missing the first 2 there for far too long now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, TomPearceMMA said: Thats not true mate, plenty of grounds with really good atmospheres still. Take Burnley for example, the noisy / singing section (call it what you want), are right next to the away fans, they make loads of noise and get the whole ground going... throw a drum in the mix and it also stifles the away fans. Swansea, Hull, West Brom, Coventry, Derby, even Reading last weekend had a better atmosphere than Ashton Gate - All have noisy home fans next to the away fans. Things need to change, I’m all for moving to block A of the dolman. Reading might have had a better atmosphere than us but that’s a very low bar to judge. Moving will make no difference. Selhurst Park is one of the best atmospheres and away fans aren’t near the home fans. At least not when I last went there. Fratton Park the same. The grounds you mention have good atmospheres because lots of fans sing. That’s the bottom line. People can come up with all the excuses they want…..’we don’t want to sing in the Ayteo, we want the East End, we want our own singing section’…..wishes granted. But now it’s Dolman A block. Edited October 30, 2022 by And Its Smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TomPearceMMA said: Things need to change, I’m all for moving to block A of the dolman. Again (as in asked a few) how do you define Block A. Upper, Lower or all of E34? Edited October 30, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Oh please. The argument on here half the time in the past was that the East End roof was keeping all the noise in, and that's why you couldn't hear the atmosphere around the ground! Not to mention that there were multiple groups of singers (like the netters) who would start competing songs or sing at different speeds. Does everyone have that short memories or what? Play good exciting football, win games, people will make noise wherever they are and whatever shape the stand they're sitting or standing in is. We've been missing the first 2 there for far too long now. Pretty sure the ground had a better atmosphere when East End was there. Two or three reasons. Acoustics, closer proximity to away fans and even though technically all-seater, those old fashioned seats let's say it encouraged standing, standing fans more likely to sing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 I thought at times, esp first half, S82 made some good noise. And feel if we want better atmosphere we need more singers. Eg. Dolman, Lansdown, and all of the South stand. And why if away fans not take up large allocation in Atyeo can it not be safely divided. To allow our fans in. You see other grounds where ends are safely divided between both sets of fans. I do feel there seems to have been poor consideration to how to best use our home advantage with the fans. I also feel our support is better and louder away. COYR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: I thought at times, esp first half, S82 made some good noise. And feel if we want better atmosphere we need more singers. Eg. Dolman, Lansdown, and all of the South Stand. As a pragmatist/realist I'd give up on a notable atmosphere in the Lansdown a lot of the time. A combination of kids up top, the corporates plus the directors again in the top tier and the prices make this unlikely IMO! Shame that, as it holds 11k doesn't it, the Lansdown as a whole! 10 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: And why if away fans not take up large allocation in Atyeo can it not be safely divided. To allow our fans in. You see other grounds where ends are safely divided between both sets of fans. I do feel there seems to have been poor consideration to how to best use our home advantage with the fans. I also feel our support is better and louder away. COYR Assuming it ties into factors too such as 'risk'/perceived risk, ground layout, views of SAG, risk of police 'requesting' a greater presence in the ground itself m on a more regular basis to manage risk etc, which costs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: As a pragmatist/realist I'd give up on a notable atmosphere in the Lansdown a lot of the time. A combination of kids up top, the corporates plus the directors again in the top tier and the prices make this unlikely IMO! Shame that, as it holds 11k doesn't it, the Lansdown as a whole! Assuming it ties into factors too such as 'risk'/perceived risk, ground layout, views of SAG, risk of police 'requesting' a greater presence in the ground itself m on a more regular basis to manage risk etc, which costs! Yes agree on both points to a degree. Yes costs will increase but surely it is worth the money, if ok under ffp, to increase our home advantage . On our continual premier League dream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 10 hours ago, TomPearceMMA said: Thats not true mate, plenty of grounds with really good atmospheres still. Take Burnley for example, the noisy / singing section (call it what you want), are right next to the away fans, they make loads of noise and get the whole ground going... throw a drum in the mix and it also stifles the away fans. Swansea, Hull, West Brom, Coventry, Derby, even Reading last weekend had a better atmosphere than Ashton Gate - All have noisy home fans next to the away fans. Things need to change, I’m all for moving to block A of the dolman. When ever there has been large basically younger more boisterous fans next to the away fans at Ashton gate more often than not it leads to disorder of some degree either in or departing the ground , something l don’t think the police or the club will tolerate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 13 hours ago, RedLionLad said: You missed the best decade, they were greater. Nope, I was also there in the mid 70s onwards as a spotty teenager (:laugh:) in the Dolman. Every home game as a season ticket holder with my dad (RIP). The ground was usually pretty much full up in the 1st Div days so good atmosphere was guaranteed. But agreed, they were good times also. Football is just so sanitised nowadays - hate it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said: Nope, I was also there in the mid 70s onwards as a spotty teenager (:laugh:) in the Dolman. Every home game as a season ticket holder with my dad (RIP). The ground was usually pretty much full up in the 1st Div days so good atmosphere was guaranteed. But agreed, they were good times also. Football is just so sanitised nowadays - hate it! I was 16 in 1976' Perfect planning by my parents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, redkev said: When ever there has been large basically younger more boisterous fans next to the away fans at Ashton gate more often than not it leads to disorder of some degree either in or departing the ground , something l don’t think the police or the club will tolerate Indeed. Where s82 is positioned now is the ideal scenario for the club and the police. What needs to happen is a break away group of fans need to get together and try and start another singing section in Dolman block A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 Can we bring back muddy pitches, heavy boots, laced balls and plague? Ah, the good old days.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bris Red said: Indeed. Where s82 is positioned now is the ideal scenario for the club and the police. What needs to happen is a break away group of fans need to get together and try and start another singing section in Dolman block A. Again you're not the first person I've asked but where do you constitute as Block A? If it's Upper E34 all straight forward, if it's some people spread across the entirety of E34, then that pre redevelopment would be Blocks A and H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 S82 were slow getting into their section on Saturday, I assumed a large majority of them were trying to get into A Block. Looked as though many succeeded as S82 was nowhere near full. Thus the usual singing section was split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: S82 were slow getting into their section on Saturday, I assumed a large majority of them were trying to get into A Block. Looked as though many succeeded as S82 was nowhere near full. Thus the usual singing section was split. Fans migrating across, especially for livelier games or rival games isn't uncommon I would suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 On 30/10/2022 at 12:45, Mr Popodopolous said: That's the other thing, I don't know why it is- perhaps the same everywhere, perhaps since the redevelopment but sound doesn't seem to travel so well within the ground! I remember reading on here after our first game back v Brentford in 2015, post Dolman and South Stand redevelopment some Brentford fan said they could see we were clearly signing ie when the Singing Section was in the Atyeo but that they couldn't hear much! This was the same stand so can imagine how it is elsewhere. Hmmm. I think that's the whole point of it . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Hmmm. I think that's the whole point of it . Predictive text, lazy of me, typo. Point is, sound doesn't travel or project that well for whatever reason unless you have the ground in unison or some noise from all areas at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Predictive text, lazy of me, typo. Point is, sound doesn't travel or project that well for whatever reason unless you have the ground in unison or some noise from all areas at least. Oh, I understood perfectly what you meant; I was just being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Oh, I understood perfectly what you meant; I was just being sarcastic. Yes I gathered that. Rather puzzling and pointless post but forums are forums. Edited October 31, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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