Northern Red Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Let's be honest, even consistently beating the teams that we "should" beat is a significant step forward from where we were. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednotblue Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Davefevs said: I dunno tbh Shelts. I hope not. We have 2 CBs in form defensively…the concerns in recent years necessitating another CB (wrongly imho) aren’t there, and to break up the way we are setting up, would seem ceding an advantage in midfield to France. They’ll be shit scared of Bellingham burst through as part of a three, with three options ahead of him. Think he has to trust Walker in a conventional four against Mbappe, as I think it means we can stop Griezmann floating into dangerous positions. I think you have to trust to luck (a little that Mbappe has an off day). I don't see how playing 3 at the back helps if only Walker has a chance of keeping up. Also as vs. Croatia at the last WC the 352 will become 532 so we will have little attacking outlet. Stopping Griezmann getting too much of the ball will slow the French down as he makes them tick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednotblue Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 11 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Why can’t we play 532 or 5311 As @Davefevsposted you either stay with our threat and play a bit of Russian Roulette or go with 3/5 at back and , in theory , suffocate their threats Big call My concern is how the back four real with Mbappe / Giroud / Dembele I see Dembele as nearly as much , creative wise at least , a threat as Mbappe Are we happy to leave Shaw & Walker 1 on 1 with them - Brave As I said, Big call I suppose France have the same issues worrying about Englands front 3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, rednotblue said: I suppose France have the same issues worrying about Englands front 3. Absolutely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Super said: Maybe but family comes first and it sounds terrifying what they went through. Of course. What I was trying to say but didn't make clear, was I assume that England don't have a policy that says once you have left the squad and travelled back to the UK you can't rejoin in case you bring illness with you that could spread and scupper the campaign. Not saying whether he should either way, but his family might say 'get back there, it is a lifetime opportunity' and the medics might say 'hang on, we agreed not to allow this, it is a one way journey'. Or maybe they don't bother with these things now. Sorry for the ramble! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, 2015 said: If we beat France it will be 'but they didn't have Benzema, Kante or Pogba'. The rest of the World really cannot admit we are actually a decent side. People need to think this isn't the England of 2016 anymore. I must admit I've been overly critical of Southgate for the past year because admittedly performances were really bad and so were the results, but I have had to endure a massive amount of humble pie this World Cup and i'm glad I've been proved wrong. @lenred beat me to it - but I don't think its the rest of the world, its us! Including on here!! I don't think I've seen any evidence of other countries underestimating England under Southgate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Having a nice slice of Henderson Humble Pie this morning. Hats off to the bloke, Energetic, controlled performance capped off with an excellent goal - led by example. Superb. McGuire also showing some bottle given what he’s been through, although relying on him and Stones as our main play-makers out of defence is more than a worry. Think Rice was told at half-time to give them better options - but that only lasted a few minutes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, RedRock said: Having a nice slice of Henderson Humble Pie this morning. Hats off to the bloke, Energetic, controlled performance capped off with an excellent goal - led by example. Superb. McGuire also showing some bottle given what he’s been through, although relying on him and Stones as our main play-makers out of defence is more than a worry. Think Rice was told at half-time to give them better options - but that only lasted a few minutes. Me too. I haven't been a fan of Henderson and wasn't happy to see him start. I think that must be one of his best ever England games though, he was excellent. Maguire has shown real mental strength and played very well. I still worry for him though if he drops a ricket against France that costs us a goal. Poor bloke will get monstered by all forms of media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, RedRock said: Having a nice slice of Henderson Humble Pie this morning. Hats off to the bloke, Energetic, controlled performance capped off with an excellent goal - led by example. Superb. McGuire also showing some bottle given what he’s been through, although relying on him and Stones as our main play-makers out of defence is more than a worry. Think Rice was told at half-time to give them better options - but that only lasted a few minutes. I can't understand the antipathy towards Henderson and especially from fans who see his inclusion as somehow negative and defensive. He has been an integral and crucial part of a Liverpool team that has been one of the most potent and exciting for the last few years. Presumably both Klopp and Southgate overestimate his abilities and that, had they replaced him, their respective teams would be better/stronger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: No because the only teams in the last 16 that have played anyone are Spain (drew with Germany), Japan, Croatia (drew with Belgium), Morocco and arguably Portugal, South Korea versus Uruguay. The only likely QF team to have beaten anyone will be Portugal 30 minutes ago, downendcity said: I can't understand the antipathy towards Henderson and especially from fans who see his inclusion as somehow negative and defensive. He has been an integral and crucial part of a Liverpool team that has been one of the most potent and exciting for the last few years. Presumably both Klopp and Southgate overestimate his abilities and that, had they replaced him, their respective teams would be better/stronger. Because most / a lot of fans only watch what happens on the creative side of the game. They don’t watch players off the ball, the runs they make to drag opponents elsewhere, creating space for teammates, the marking they do to stop passes, the freedom they give others, etc. For a couple of years, England couldn’t win the ball back unless Henderson was playing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Henderson probably the most underrated player of the last 10 years. Superb player. At least Southgate rates him or else it could have been another Carrick situation, a player who got far too few caps for his talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Henderson probably the most underrated player of the last 10 years. Superb player. At least Southgate rates him or else it could have been another Carrick situation, a player who got far too few caps for his talent I never really rated Carrick. Decent player, absolutely, but I didn’t see him at the levels of others. I rarely saw him drag United’s performance up in a big game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just out of interest if you could win one game on saturday would it be City at Rotherham or England beating France?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, Super said: Just out of interest if you could win one game on saturday would it be City at Rotherham or England beating France?! England. All day long! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, Super said: Just out of interest if you could win one game on saturday would it be City at Rotherham or England beating France?! 3 points out of 138 available or being knocked out of the World Cup? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, cidercity1987 said: 3 points out of 138 available or being knocked out of the World Cup? I'm sure some will say City though which is fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Do we get to fly subs out to Qatar? Ben White went home earlier, Sterling yesterday. I know Sterling has said he intends to return to Qatar once his situation is sorted, but England are now running a squad of just 21 outfield players. I've no problem with players leaving for good reason, but can we summon reserves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Super said: I'm sure some will say City though which is fair enough. Mostly our Welsh supporting contingent Id imagine! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, ExiledAjax said: Do we get to fly subs out to Qatar? Ben White went home earlier, Sterling yesterday. I know Sterling has said he intends to return to Qatar once his situation is sorted, but England are now running a squad of just 21 outfield players. I've no problem with players leaving for good reason, but can we summon reserves? No we can’t. I think 21 should be enough! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Also, the reason they expanded squads to 26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 As regards Henderson . I think just as much as needing a steady on the pitch (let’s be fair we have more flair players than ever in the team ) one of the commentators during the Welsh game said all they could hear was Henderson constantly telling people what to do where to go and geeing them up ( a real leader ) could do with him at the gate I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: No we can’t. I think 21 should be enough! I should have known, as France haven't replaced Benzema. 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Also, the reason they expanded squads to 26. Ah fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 44 minutes ago, Super said: Just out of interest if you could win one game on saturday would it be City at Rotherham or England beating France?! Oooooh, tough one - especially with the potential different consequences of each! @cidercity1987 says it's only 3 point out of 138, but what if it's the three points that's the difference between relegation and staying up at the end of the season? And we beat France only to lose in semis? What would you go for if the options were: City 3 points - and you know that it's the three points that's the difference between staying up and going down this season Win v France - and you know that England would go on to win the WC ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) Actually sounds a bit like my mrs . Henderson I mean telling everyone what to do and where to go Edited December 5, 2022 by redkev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, redkev said: could do with him at the gate I reckon Reckon he will finish up back at Sunderland for a year or so, when he finishes at LFC Edited December 5, 2022 by TonyTonyTony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, TonyTonyTony said: Reckon he will finish up back at Sunderland for a year or so, when he finishes at LFC Reckon he will finish up back at Sunderland for a year or so, when he finishes at LFC I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: I should have known, as France haven't replaced Benzema. Ah fair. Can replace injured players up to 24 hours before first game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, italian dave said: Oooooh, tough one - especially with the potential different consequences of each! @cidercity1987 says it's only 3 point out of 138, but what if it's the three points that's the difference between relegation and staying up at the end of the season? And we beat France only to lose in semis? What would you go for if the options were: City 3 points - and you know that it's the three points that's the difference between staying up and going down this season Win v France - and you know that England would go on to win the WC ?? I would have to go with City 3 points in that scenario. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, italian dave said: Oooooh, tough one - especially with the potential different consequences of each! @cidercity1987 says it's only 3 point out of 138, but what if it's the three points that's the difference between relegation and staying up at the end of the season? And we beat France only to lose in semis? What would you go for if the options were: City 3 points - and you know that it's the three points that's the difference between staying up and going down this season Win v France - and you know that England would go on to win the WC ?? City relegation for England to win World Cup? Absolutely yes, we are bound to come back up at some point but the winning the World Cup is a once in a lifetime euphoria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: City relegation for England to win World Cup? Absolutely yes, we are bound to come back up at some point but the winning the World Cup is a once in a lifetime euphoria No way for me. Would be financial nightmare if we went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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