Steve Cotterill sacking now confirmed

[One Team]

Just now, Percy Pig said:

They're sacking a bloke who almost died and still came back to work far too early to help their club. 

It's not like he's done a bad job either! 

(Probably my never diminishing love of Cotts speaking, mind). 

Agreed Percy, but I think the point Fevs was inferring was that this is the individuals decision making rather than Shrewsbury Town as a club overall. 

[frenchred]

34 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

They're sacking a bloke who almost died and still came back to work far too early to help their club. 

It's not like he's done a bad job either! 

(Probably my never diminishing love of Cotts speaking, mind). 

So did lansdown

[Lanterne Rouge]

Harsh to say the least but I`m sure he`ll get a decent job somewhere else - hope so anyway.

I wonder where this leaves Taylor Moore as well?

[One Team]

3 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Harsh to say the least but I`m sure he`ll get a decent job somewhere else - hope so anyway.

I wonder where this leaves Taylor Moore as well?

Freed from desire, mind and senses purified?

[Jerseybean]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65780345

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Percy Pig said:

Don't care, hope they're relegated!

Are you drinking from the same glass as @One Team

[phantom]

1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

I wonder where this leaves Taylor Moore as well?

They were never going to be able to afford his wages unless he took a massive cut 

[Davefevs]

Just now, phantom said:

They were never going to be able to afford his wages unless he took a massive cut 

Wherever he goes he’s gonna have to take a sizeable pay cut!

[ScottishRed]

Saw some comments that SC made regarding budgets prior to their last home game against our friends across the city.

He reckoned that they had twice the player budget he did and that he needed more funds.

I suspect the CEO agreed as having been there 7 years, he left fairly suddenly a few weeks ago.

[Cityboy1954]

5 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

Shabby. 

I've got to admit, I never really thought much of the bloke before he came here. But having "got to know" the real Cotts here, you've got to say the bloke deserves so much more than he's ever really gotten. 

I hope Shrews go down, now. 

Got rid of his mate thats twice hes been crapped on their fans will be gutted had a,standing ovation all round the ground last home game .

[eardun]

2 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65780345

So sounds like he’s resigning rather than being sacked then. Presumably not happy with changes at the club. 

[SecretSam]

Bloody hell, poor Cotts. No doubt he'll get another job, but he'll be back starting from scratch. What a shambles. 

[RedM]

14 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Seen him walking around Cabot a couple of weeks ago so assumed he still lives in the area.

Edit: A shrews fan mate of mine said he had been heavily linked to the Reading job in recent weeks.

He must still live here, my son who works in town says he often sees him and his wife.

[22A]

17 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

 

Not much Commercial Confidentiality there. How wouldyou feel if others were told befor you that you would be gone by the end ofthe week?

 

[Riaz]

17 hours ago, Ecko said:

He had a bust up with the chairman over a signing a few weeks ago.

History repeating itself.

[Nogbad the Bad]

1 hour ago, RedM said:

He must still live here, my son who works in town says he often sees him and his wife.

 Pretty sure Cotts does still live locally. l used to see him regularly surveying the docks from a balcony near Spoke and Stringer.

Wade Elliot too, saw him strolling along North Street towards Ashton Park the other evening.

As for Cotts leaving Shrewsbury, very much their loss, they were very fortunate to have him.

[bpexile]

18 hours ago, Jimbo123 said:

They'll regret that I sense.

It'll be someone else's gain 

[bcfc01]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

 Pretty sure Cotts does still live locally. l used to see him regularly surveying the docks from a balcony near Spoke and Stringer.

Wade Elliot too, saw him strolling along North Street towards Ashton Park the other evening.

As for Cotts leaving Shrewsbury, very much their loss, they were very fortunate to have him.

Yep, Cotts has an apartment in Hotwells.

Elliot has a house in a road off of North Street - I won't say which road.

Not that I'm a stalker, honest.

[Red_Alligator]

Unbelievable Jeff.

 

[LondonBristolian]

20 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Seen him walking around Cabot a couple of weeks ago so assumed he still lives in the area.

Edit: A shrews fan mate of mine said he had been heavily linked to the Reading job in recent weeks.

Would be a good appointment for them if so. 

[bcfcredandwhite]

I’ve said before on various threads that I love Cotts and will always be grateful to him for dragging us out of the pus-filled mire that is League 1. 
However, I think League 1 is probably his management level. That’s only my opinion and plenty would disagree, but it seems likely to be true as he’s not done well in the second tier either with us or Notts Forest and no other club at our level seem to have been interested in him to-date. 
 

[PHILINFRANCE]

34 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I’ve said before on various threads that I love Cotts and will always be grateful to him for dragging us out of the pus-filled mire that is League 1. 
However, I think League 1 is probably his management level. That’s only my opinion and plenty would disagree, but it seems likely to be true as he’s not done well in the second tier either with us or Notts Forest and no other club at our level seem to have been interested in him to-date. 
 

I should have to check, as memory often plays tricks, but I thought he did quite well at Forest and Burnley also, especially at the latter.

Nevertheless, I share your view that he is probably better suited to League One.

 

[Nogbad the Bad]

1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I’ve said before on various threads that I love Cotts and will always be grateful to him for dragging us out of the pus-filled mire that is League 1. 
However, I think League 1 is probably his management level. That’s only my opinion and plenty would disagree, but it seems likely to be true as he’s not done well in the second tier either with us or Notts Forest and no other club at our level seem to have been interested in him to-date. 
 

When he was at Burnley he became the Championship's longest serving manager so I think he can hold his own at that level.

I still think if he'd been properly backed at AG after promotion, as imo he'd earnt the right to be, he'd have given a double promotion 'a damn good go', as he assured me at the promotion celebrations was his intention.

[bcfcredandwhite]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

When he was at Burnley he became the Championship's longest serving manager so I think he can hold his own at that level.

I still think if he'd been properly backed at AG after promotion, as imo he'd earnt the right to be, he'd have given a double promotion 'a damn good go', as he assured me at the promotion celebrations was his intention.

I admit I'd forgotten he was at Burnley. 

The 'If he'd only been backed....' rhetoric is interesting - I read this (very popular) 'myth' a lot on various boards, but if I remember correctly immediately after promotion we put in HUGE bids (in excess of £10m) for Dwight Gayle, Andre Gray and Harry Maguire. Again, I'm going from memory so I may be slightly wrong, but the Gayle and Gray bids were accepted but the players didn't want to come to us (??). The Maguire bid was also accepted and the deal was going through, but someone in BCFC (?) tried to renegotiate the deal with Hull whilst Cotts was on holiday - Hull subsequently threw their toys out of the pram and cancelled it - saying that they would NEVER do any more business with Bristol City ever again. Whoever screwed that deal up is the real villain here - but it doesn't change the fact that the money was there. Bristol City just wasn't an attractive club to play for back then - fresh out of League 1 with no footballing 'pedigree'.  
If only ONE of those deals had gone through then Cotts would have overseen the biggest EVER transfer fee ever paid for a player - even by today's standard. IMHO that's quite strong backing. 
Ok, NONE of the deals happened - the players didn't want to come to us and someone screwed up the Maguire deal, but the financial backing WAS there. The fact that those deals didn't go through is NOT proof that money was not available. A club does not make an approach to another club and submit an offer without the money being there. 

Lets not lose track of why he was sacked; we were losing games and adrift in the relegation zone. He insisted on sticking to his 3-5-2 system - which worked a dream in League 1, but got found out very quickly in the Championship. Despite this, and losing games, he still stuck with it, game after game, week after week (the Forest fans called him a 'one trick pony' - and with this stubborn adherence to a failing formation I can see why). If this wasn't bad enough, he refused to deploy his subs until the 80th minute, when we were chasing the game. THAT behaviour indicates to me one of 2 things; (a) A manager who hasn't a clue what he's doing, or (b) A manager who knows exactly what he's doing and he is deliberately screwing it up to make a 'point' to the board. 

Neither of those possibilities were good for Bristol City and it was absolutely right that he went when he did.
If any proof was needed then you only have to look at the results once Pemberton was put in charge; 4-4-2 formation with the SAME players and the subs being deployed at a sensible time - it was a wonderful breath of fresh air (for me) - and most importantly we SURVIVED.

I would suggest again that there is a reason that he hasn't been offered a Championship manager (to-date) since he managed us. 

I love him as I said before - and really wish him well, but I stand by everything I said above. 

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by bcfcredandwhite
Correct spelling

[The Gasbuster]

13 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

The 'If he'd only been backed....' rhetoric is interesting - I read this (very popular) 'myth' a lot on various boards, but if I remember correctly immediately after promotion we put in HUGE bids (in excess of £10m) for Dwight Gayle, Andre Gray and Harry Maguire. Again, I'm going from memory so I may be slightly wrong, but the Gayle and Gray bids were accepted but the players didn't want to come to us (??). The Maguire bid was also accepted and the deal was going through, but someone in BCFC (?) tried to renegotiate the deal with Hull whilst Cotts was on holiday - Hull subsequently threw their toys out of the pram and cancelled it - saying that they would NEVER do any more business with Bristol City ever again. Whoever screwed that deal up is the real villain here - but it doesn't change the fact that the money was there. Bristol City just wasn't an attractive club to play for back then - fresh out of League 1 with no footballing 'pedigree'.  
If only ONE of those deals had gone through then Cotts would have overseen the biggest EVER transfer fee ever paid for a player - even by today's standard. IMHO that's quite strong backing. 
 

 

The then CEO, his name was Peeling IIRC ?

[alexukhc]

Not going Reading, apparently they’re getting Wilder according to my work colleagues 

[Nogbad the Bad]

15 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I admit I'd forgotten he was at Burnley. 

The 'If he'd only been backed....' rhetoric is interesting - I read this (very popular) 'myth' a lot on various boards, but if I remember correctly immediately after promotion we put in HUGE bids (in excess of £10m) for Dwight Gayle, Andre Gray and Harry Maguire. Again, I'm going from memory so I may be slightly wrong, but the Gayle and Gray bids were accepted but the players didn't want to come to us (??). The Maguire bid was also accepted and the deal was going through, but someone in BCFC (?) tried to renegotiate the deal with Hull whilst Cotts was on holiday - Hull subsequently threw their toys out of the pram and cancelled it - saying that they would NEVER do any more business with Bristol City ever again. Whoever screwed that deal up is the real villain here - but it doesn't change the fact that the money was there. Bristol City just wasn't an attractive club to play for back then - fresh out of League 1 with no footballing 'pedigree'.  
If only ONE of those deals had gone through then Cotts would have overseen the biggest EVER transfer fee ever paid for a player - even by today's standard. IMHO that's quite strong backing. 
Ok, NONE of the deals happened - the players didn't want to come to us and someone screwed up the Maguire deal, but the financial backing WAS there. The fact that those deals didn't go through is NOT proof that money was not available. A club does not make an approach to another club and submit an offer without the money being there. 

Lets not lose track of why he was sacked; we were losing games and adrift in the relegation zone. He insisted on sticking to his 3-5-2 system - which worked a dream in League 1, but got found out very quickly in the Championship. Despite this, and losing games, he still stuck with it, game after game, week after week (the Forest fans called him a 'one trick pony' - and with this stubborn adherence to a failing formation I can see why). If this wasn't bad enough, he refused to deploy his subs until the 80th minute, when we were chasing the game. THAT behaviour indicates to me one of 2 things; (a) A manager who hasn't a clue what he's doing, or (b) A manager who knows exactly what he's doing and he is deliberately screwing it up to make a 'point' to the board. 

Neither of those possibilities were good for Bristol City and it was absolutely right that he went when he did.
If any proof was needed then you only have to look at the results once Pemberton was put in charge; 4-4-2 formation with the SAME players and the subs being deployed at a sensible time - it was a wonderful breath of fresh air (for me) - and most importantly we SURVIVED.

I would suggest again that there is a reason that he hasn't been offered a Championship manager (to-date) since he managed us. 

I love him as I said before - and really wish him well, but I stand by everything I said above. 

 

 

 

I've little doubt Cotts would have kept us up, he'd never overseen a relegation in 20 years as a manager.

The alternative to sacking him was to back him in the January window with the money suddenly found to fund iirc 7 new signings for Johnson.

I feared relegation the following season under Johnson, when we weren't safe until the penultimate game of the season, more than I ever did under Cotts.

Anyway, you have put forward the alternative view, Cotts dismissal still makes me angry so I'm not going to get embroiled in this argument yet again.

Afaic Cotts' sacking was a disgrace, the arrival and backing of non entity Johnson a particularly unamusing farce, and it took the arrival of NP for me to even begin getting over it.

[bcfcredandwhite]

14 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Birmingham.

 

Don't let the facts get in the way mate. Just keep on keeping on. 

Forgot about that too. Thanks for the reminder. How could I forget - they beat us when he was there. 
I did say I was going from memory. 

[Red Army 75]

Wished Shrewsbury well with SC at the helm. Now I hope they go down. Football fans eh. 

[NickJ]

18 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I admit I'd forgotten he was at Burnley. 

The 'If he'd only been backed....' rhetoric is interesting - I read this (very popular) 'myth' a lot on various boards, but if I remember correctly immediately after promotion we put in HUGE bids (in excess of £10m) for Dwight Gayle, Andre Gray and Harry Maguire. Again, I'm going from memory so I may be slightly wrong, but the Gayle and Gray bids were accepted but the players didn't want to come to us (??). The Maguire bid was also accepted and the deal was going through, but someone in BCFC (?) tried to renegotiate the deal with Hull whilst Cotts was on holiday - Hull subsequently threw their toys out of the pram and cancelled it - saying that they would NEVER do any more business with Bristol City ever again. Whoever screwed that deal up is the real villain here - but it doesn't change the fact that the money was there. Bristol City just wasn't an attractive club to play for back then - fresh out of League 1 with no footballing 'pedigree'.  
If only ONE of those deals had gone through then Cotts would have overseen the biggest EVER transfer fee ever paid for a player - even by today's standard. IMHO that's quite strong backing. 
Ok, NONE of the deals happened - the players didn't want to come to us and someone screwed up the Maguire deal, but the financial backing WAS there. The fact that those deals didn't go through is NOT proof that money was not available. A club does not make an approach to another club and submit an offer without the money being there. 

Lets not lose track of why he was sacked; we were losing games and adrift in the relegation zone. He insisted on sticking to his 3-5-2 system - which worked a dream in League 1, but got found out very quickly in the Championship. Despite this, and losing games, he still stuck with it, game after game, week after week (the Forest fans called him a 'one trick pony' - and with this stubborn adherence to a failing formation I can see why). If this wasn't bad enough, he refused to deploy his subs until the 80th minute, when we were chasing the game. THAT behaviour indicates to me one of 2 things; (a) A manager who hasn't a clue what he's doing, or (b) A manager who knows exactly what he's doing and he is deliberately screwing it up to make a 'point' to the board. 

Neither of those possibilities were good for Bristol City and it was absolutely right that he went when he did.
If any proof was needed then you only have to look at the results once Pemberton was put in charge; 4-4-2 formation with the SAME players and the subs being deployed at a sensible time - it was a wonderful breath of fresh air (for me) - and most importantly we SURVIVED.

I would suggest again that there is a reason that he hasn't been offered a Championship manager (to-date) since he managed us. 

I love him as I said before - and really wish him well, but I stand by everything I said above. 

 

 

 

Correct whoever screwed up those deals was the real villain.

It wasn't just the Maguire deal, Gray also. Both were agreed and so far as I am aware it isn't the case that those players didn't want to come.

After some knobhead screwed up those deals, it was only then that we went after Gayle, but from memory he was the player that didn't want to come.

Still pisses me off after all this time that Cotts, having saved us from relegation to L2 and then the amazing promotion season, was shafted and we appointed somebody with zero credentials to replace him.