Embarrassed to be a city fan tonight

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, RedM said:

I was very close to the segregation on Wednesday night and saw a few of the overspills. Even before they scored fans were having a go at eachother and the police moved into the area but remained lower down in the stand. I was surprised to see the Police very obviously filming the home fan troublemakers and at least one was removed fairly early on.

I've never seen them do this before. No matter what the home fans are doing it's always the away fans who are treated as the troublemakers in my experience. I've seen home fans throwing things and acting really threateningly but police and stewards always ignore this, even turning their backs on them and just face the away fans who seemingly just have to take this. 

Some away games are a great experience, but some still are pretty ropey. 

Many of us have had unpleasant experiences at away matches from being escorted and filmed from the train station to the stadium at Leicester by police to the disgusting behaviour of the WMP at Walsall.  Getting whacked by a truncheon at the County ground some years ago.

It seems as if those days aren’t gone yet…….
 

[JP Hampton]

21 hours ago, RedM said:

I work with a lot of youngsters in my job, I mean they are colleagues. I am absolutely staggered about those who regularly smoke weed or whatever just to 'cope' with daily life. Many have depression, self diagnosed in all cases and need a smoke to get through the day. They cant wait for their shift to finish so they can get on it again. Got to stress they don't smoke weed at work, instant dismissal so make do with ordinary cigarettes or vapes. They are nearly all heavy drinkers too. On weekends they get absolutely hammered through drink and drugs. It seems their way or life amongst them and their mates/peers.

Your comments don’t surprise me, sadly. I have 8 teachers in my immediate and extended family and what they describe about school aged kids, is a very lost and misguided generation. Exposed to so much more than we ever were, there’s no time for being a child, the line between parents and children is becoming more and more blurred and respect for others has been lost under an ethos of me, me, me and my feelings and my wants and my truth and my particular notions of what’s offensive. 

  Half of them are so confused about who and what they are, they turn to social media in place of parents or those who could actually help and guide them. 
 

 Teachers are being used to allow all sorts to go on in schools that shouldn’t and whilst a lot of kids are leaving school with good grades they are really lacking in some very basic skills. 
 

I know in this case the louts were suggested to be in their 60s, but it really is a worry. 

[Clutton Caveman]

On 30/11/2023 at 07:32, Olé said:

Yeah there were a few idiots there last night and if it helps that wasn't my first away match.

Some of the absolute bollocks they came out with was embarrassing. First time on the beers.

I think part of the problem is some people can't seem to enjoy a game unless they are off their face on alcohol or white stuff. Great to have a couple pre game beers with friends but is it really necessary to be s*** faced?

[MarcusX]

21 hours ago, spudski said:

It's become ' trendy' to suffer from something it seems, even with some adults. ADHD, OCD, Anxiety, depression seem the most common. 

My mates daughter in her 30s has all the above, self diagnosed. As do her mates. They seem to revel in it. It's all they talk about.  It's a proper knitted hat problem whilst thinking the world is about to burn...

Perhaps it's not trendy but people are more comfortable about talking about their issues and don't see it as negatively as many used to? That's not necessarily a bad thing.

18 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

All this does is diminish the experiences of those that do actually have those conditions. If these people actually had these conditions, they'd not consider it cool! 

I'd suggest for them to he self diagnosing themselves, that probably suggests they have some sort of other mental health problem! 

Bizarrely in my own experiences, those that self diagnose actually think that they are more entitled to be ocd, adhd etc than those that have genuinely been diagnosed! 

I always think, if their self diagnosed condition is as extreme as they say it is, then how come they have never been diagnosed? And for me that says it all! 

 

18 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

My son has been on the waiting list for an autism diagnoses for 3 years now. It took the school about 2 years to do the referral for a diagnosis. Apparently still another 2 years to go. Covid has had a huge impact on that young generation. Not only are children behind in their education. There is huge delays in getting diagnosis. The support my son gets at school is fantastic however the school are constantly rowing against the tide as no outside support can be given until he gets that official diagnosis. 

I know quite a few 40+ year olds that are only being diagnosed now. There was a huge historic failure which has had had huge impact on people's lives. 

Whilst there are long waiting lists now, I think it would be unlikely although not impossible that big numbers currently in their teens has got through until now without a diagnosis. There is a huge amount of 15-18 year olds that identify as autistic etc because they have self diagnosed themselves. That's what my comments really refer to and I just find it to be unlikely. Just like how there are big numbers that identify as a cat! When obviously they are not a cat. 

I was about to reply to your first comment above suggesting it came across as ignorant towards how hard it actually is to get a diagnosis.

I was then going to revoke the ignorant comment as it's clear you do realise how hard it is to get a diagnosis, then I read your last line. There are not "big numbers" that identify as a cat FFS 

[KegCity]

On 30/11/2023 at 12:30, RedM said:

I work with a lot of youngsters in my job, I mean they are colleagues. I am absolutely staggered about those who regularly smoke weed or whatever just to 'cope' with daily life. Many have depression, self diagnosed in all cases and need a smoke to get through the day. They cant wait for their shift to finish so they can get on it again. Got to stress they don't smoke weed at work, instant dismissal so make do with ordinary cigarettes or vapes. They are nearly all heavy drinkers too. On weekends they get absolutely hammered through drink and drugs. It seems their way or life amongst them and their mates/peers.

Has that not been the case for young people for a long time? Obviously some drugs were popularised in the 90s and stuck around but the current generation aren’t the first to be working for the weekend.

I think social media has a massive impact on the lives of younger people and has led to a rise in mental health issues. Constantly seeing the highlights of peoples lives can make your own seem worse than it is. Whilst some certainly will have self-diagnosed themselves with something they don’t have, it’s very hard to get proper access to support (as others have highlighted) at the moment which means a lot simply don’t bother.

None of that is massively relevant to the thread, there’s always idiots at away matches, it takes other fans to police them unfortunately.

[Open End Numb Legs]

45 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I think part of the problem is some people can't seem to enjoy a game unless they are off their face on alcohol or white stuff. Great to have a couple pre game beers with friends but is it really necessary to be s*** faced?

That has always seemed odd to me. I hate a hangover and hate feeling out of control drunk. Love a good pint of real ale so it's 1 or 2 of those at the most. For youngsters it comes down to peer pressure to keep drinking. Once you get used to saying no and your mates expect it you realise that peer pressure is not what you thought it was.

I would rather be called a lightweight than end up too drunk to look after myself.

[redkev]

15 hours ago, BigTone said:

This pic has being doing the rounds for years

This kids probably 30 now

[Steve Watts]

1 hour ago, MarcusX said:

Perhaps it's not trendy but people are more comfortable about talking about their issues and don't see it as negatively as many used to? That's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

I was about to reply to your first comment above suggesting it came across as ignorant towards how hard it actually is to get a diagnosis.

I was then going to revoke the ignorant comment as it's clear you do realise how hard it is to get a diagnosis, then I read your last line. There are not "big numbers" that identify as a cat FFS 

There are big numbers.....there is a total of 1 people who identify as a cat.  Now I'm sure you'd agree that is a big number I've used there!

[Sheltons Army]

27 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

There are big numbers.....there is a total of 1 people who identify as a cat.  Now I'm sure you'd agree that is a big number I've used there!

George Galloway ?

[Sir Leigh of Somerset]

48 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

George Galloway ?

Puss in Boots?

[Hello Dave]

On 30/11/2023 at 07:32, Olé said:

Yeah there were a few idiots there last night and if it helps that wasn't my first away match.

Some of the absolute bollocks they came out with was embarrassing. First time on the beers.

I think there was some bollocks spouted in the hotel bar after as well

[REDOXO]

Some real bollox on this thread!

For the record I identify as a Bristol City fan!
 

Also as an over sixty year old male heterosexual without a support group!
 

Am I minority? 

[spudski]

3 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Perhaps it's not trendy but people are more comfortable about talking about their issues and don't see it as negatively as many used to? That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Not in the cases I've described.

I suggest 1 in 100 in the world population having autism is not people feeling free to talk, but a real issue. 

Granted diagnosis has been better over the years, but I do think we have a problem. 

When I coached in Canada, out of a group of 10, regularly, three would have autism or ADHD...that isn't normal. 

 

[sglosbcfc]

4 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

There are big numbers.....there is a total of 1 people who identify as a cat.  Now I'm sure you'd agree that is a big number I've used there!

and he's a pussy

[frenchred]

3 hours ago, Hello Dave said:

I think there was some bollocks spouted in the hotel bar after as well

And it was all you!

[Hello Dave]

2 hours ago, frenchred said:

And it was all you!

It was the wine

[cidercity1987]

15 hours ago, spudski said:

Not in the cases I've described.

I suggest 1 in 100 in the world population having autism is not people feeling free to talk, but a real issue. 

Granted diagnosis has been better over the years, but I do think we have a problem. 

When I coached in Canada, out of a group of 10, regularly, three would have autism or ADHD...that isn't normal. 

 

My energetic, active 4 year lad and the missus went to see a nurse yesterday for a persistent cough he has.

10 minutes later he came out with some antibiotics for the cough and a diagnosis of ADHD that we hadn't asked for!

Bloody weird.

[spudski]

1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said:

My energetic, active 4 year lad and the missus went to see a nurse yesterday for a persistent cough he has.

10 minutes later he came out with some antibiotics for the cough and a diagnosis of ADHD that we hadn't asked for!

Bloody weird.

Most odd as you say. 

[Open End Numb Legs]

7 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

My energetic, active 4 year lad and the missus went to see a nurse yesterday for a persistent cough he has.

10 minutes later he came out with some antibiotics for the cough and a diagnosis of ADHD that we hadn't asked for!

Bloody weird.

When our eldest son was at primary school one of his teachers for 2 years mentioned him having some form of issue every single parents evening, fortunately out of his earshot. We know he can be a bit awkward in social groups but when we have prompted this topic with all other teachers ever since they have instead shrugged shoulders, just said how warm and friendly he is and how everyone is on a spectrum somewhere. They have not wanted to 'label' him which can be a problem in itself.

We have gone with that approach but it seems some that are trained to spot learning difficulties can't help but show off their skills.

My own thoughts are, get several opinions.

[W-S-M Seagull]

25 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

When our eldest son was at primary school one of his teachers for 2 years mentioned him having some form of issue every single parents evening, fortunately out of his earshot. We know he can be a bit awkward in social groups but when we have prompted this topic with all other teachers ever since they have instead shrugged shoulders, just said how warm and friendly he is and how everyone is on a spectrum somewhere. They have not wanted to 'label' him which can be a problem in itself.

We have gone with that approach but it seems some that are trained to spot learning difficulties can't help but show off their skills.

My own thoughts are, get several opinions.

 

 

Absolutely hate it when people say this. It's completely false. People can have characteristics that are similar to those that are on the spectrum however that doesn't make everyone a little bit autistic. Those sort of statements only serve to diminish the experiences of an actual autistic person.

No, being 'labelled' is not a problem in itself. Those that view it as labelling are the ones creating the problems. Being diagnosed as being autistic etc is not a label, it's an understanding which is incredibly positive for those with autism etc as it gives them an understanding of how their brain works and also gives an understanding to others. If anyone considers it a problem, they're an ableist. 

There is absolutely nothing shameful about being neurodiverse and it absolutely feels me with rage when others suggest that there is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with autism etc. Autism isnt bad. Some of the most successful and smartest people in the world are neurodiverse. Because of autistic people, we have platforms such as this to share our opinions. 

Let's live in a world where we understand the difficulties neurodiverse people face.

This probably explains it better than I can.

https://autisticnotweird.com/stop-saying/

Edited December 2, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull

[redkev]

On 01/12/2023 at 12:09, Clutton Caveman said:

I think part of the problem is some people can't seem to enjoy a game unless they are off their face on alcohol or white stuff. Great to have a couple pre game beers with friends but is it really necessary to be s*** faced?

Watching city , yes shit faced

[redkev]

I’m old school I’m afraid so it is hard for me to understand all these problems kids have , I was no angel by any means ( typical council estate kid ) done the binge drinking weekend thing , many football tours / stag weekends was a naughty lad at football years ago etc etc , I think ( my opinion ) is that kids have so much more than we did back 8n the day ( god I hate saying that ) but it seems to have caused more problems . Any trouble kids seem to get into nowadays they don’t own it , it’s always because they have this or they have that wrong with them . Arnt there any just naughty kids anymore , 

 

[redkev]

10 hours ago, mason said:

There are good and bad in all walks of life from the Goverment down through police,councils,NHS down to labourers and those with no jobs/on the streets etc; Football fans are no different....its always been so.

Unless your a rugby fan / player - some of the behaviour I have seen these types get up to over the years has been disgusting but as long as they say yes sir no sir to the ref and say 3 cheers at the end of the game it all gets swept under the carpet 

[Open End Numb Legs]

2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Absolutely hate it when people say this. It's completely false. People can have characteristics that are similar to those that are on the spectrum however that doesn't make everyone a little bit autistic. Those sort of statements only serve to diminish the experiences of an actual autistic person.

No, being 'labelled' is not a problem in itself. Those that view it as labelling are the ones creating the problems. Being diagnosed as being autistic etc is not a label, it's an understanding which is incredibly positive for those with autism etc as it gives them an understanding of how their brain works and also gives an understanding to others. If anyone considers it a problem, they're an ableist. 

There is absolutely nothing shameful about being neurodiverse and it absolutely feels me with rage when others suggest that there is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with autism etc. Autism isnt bad. Some of the most successful and smartest people in the world are neurodiverse. Because of autistic people, we have platforms such as this to share our opinions. 

Let's live in a world where we understand the difficulties neurodiverse people face.

This probably explains it better than I can.

https://autisticnotweird.com/stop-saying/

Not sure if you think I have spoken out of turn or the teacher, but apologies if it was me.

We were fine with considering help for our son, the problem for us was it felt as though it was just this one teacher who had that opinion.

We did the right thing and engaged with the Senco coordinators. They felt there was little to work with yet the teacher persisted with her comments.

My take on it, just as an uninformed parent, was the teacher had received some recent training and was over reacting.

[Barkhamred]

At parents evening in junior school, we were told our youngest was being naughty and hyper at lunch time and in the afternoon. We were stunned as we considered him well behaved. We cut out the chocolate biscuit (penguin type thing) that he had in his lunch box and he had no further trouble. From then he only had white chocolate until he was much older. I wonder how much diet affects the behaviour of some of today’s kids.

[spudski]

13 minutes ago, Barkhamred said:

At parents evening in junior school, we were told our youngest was being naughty and hyper at lunch time and in the afternoon. We were stunned as we considered him well behaved. We cut out the chocolate biscuit (penguin type thing) that he had in his lunch box and he had no further trouble. From then he only had white chocolate until he was much older. I wonder how much diet affects the behaviour of some of today’s kids.

Massively imo...sugar and preservatives.

Add computer screens, phones, gaming etc, etc...

It's all far from being natural. 

I'd love to know the stats when compared to communities that live a more natural life throughout the world. 

I've recently read articles of studies carried out on the Amish communities in the USA. 

Literally no cancers, autism or even COVID. 

It does make you think. 

[phantom]

On 30/11/2023 at 13:30, Olé said:

To be fair mate I was trying to watch the football so only glanced across once to see what the fuss was about.

But if a 12 year old is making gestures at me I'd like to think as a grown adult I might be able to leave him out of my row with some home fans.

Is this the kid everyone is discussing? 

 

[archie andrews]

1 minute ago, phantom said:

Is this the kid everyone is discussing? 

 

Is that billy bunter? 

[redsquirrel]

1 hour ago, Barkhamred said:

At parents evening in junior school, we were told our youngest was being naughty and hyper at lunch time and in the afternoon. We were stunned as we considered him well behaved. We cut out the chocolate biscuit (penguin type thing) that he had in his lunch box and he had no further trouble. From then he only had white chocolate until he was much older. I wonder how much diet affects the behaviour of some of today’s kids.

slightly o/t, but when i was banger racing, there was a guy who would turn up and not overly keen on getting out on track getting smashed up. give him 2 packs of wotsits and hed wreck his car until it wouldnt move any more and be laughing his socks off the whole time. he even thought it funny when he accidently put his truck cab rear window through with the hi-ab, amazing effects from the preserves in them

[Slacker]

12 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

slightly o/t, but when i was banger racing, there was a guy who would turn up and not overly keen on getting out on track getting smashed up. give him 2 packs of wotsits and hed wreck his car until it wouldnt move any more and be laughing his socks off the whole time. he even thought it funny when he accidently put his truck cab rear window through with the hi-ab, amazing effects from the preserves in them

Years ago,orange squash, when it was bright orange, used to send me absolutely loopy.