Absolute disgrace

[spudski]

The Turks are competing as well...

 

[pillred]

Referee punched: Turkish FA halts league football after club president hits Super Lig official - BBC Sport

[pillred]

1 minute ago, pillred said:

Referee punched: Turkish FA halts league football after club president hits Super Lig official - BBC Sport

I wonder what sanctions they will face, they seem to get away with an awful lot, their fans have a bad reputation and now their officials have joined in, can you imagine if that was an English club president or owner there would be calls for lifetime bans. 

[sglosbcfc]

Games gone soft when club officials can't lamp the referee!

[Robbored]

http://www.skysports.com/share/13028415

 

[Gazred]

 

[transfer reader]

All turkish football suspended indefinitely.

[supercidered]

Agree its an absolute disgrace. He went down far too easily.

[Super]

That club should be thrown out of the league for good

Edited December 12, 2023 by Super

[Sixtyseconds]

12 hours ago, spudski said:

The Turks are competing as well...

 

That's a Judas punch.

A weaklings cowards punch.

Court.

And prison. 

[spudski]

2 minutes ago, Sixtyseconds said:

That's a Judas punch.

A weaklings cowards punch.

Court.

And prison. 

It is indeed. 

I always find it weird that when something like this happens in football, or a bad tackle, everyone gets involved, some kind of weird phenomenon takes over, everyone becomes a ' security guard ', jumping around, pushing and shoving, doing some kind of weird dance like something off of Benny Hill.

 

[Packman]

Kick to the head whilst on the floor also, arrest both men and throw the book at them. Then kick the team out the league.

[transfer reader]

The Ankaragügü manager has previously served a short amount of time for racism during his days as a player.

Without wanting to put the blame of his chairman's actions on him, its less surprising for unsavoury behaviour to come from a club that employs an unsavoury character than one that doesn't.

[Sixtyseconds]

3 minutes ago, spudski said:

It is indeed. 

I always find it weird that when something like this happens in football, or a bad tackle, everyone gets involved, some kind of weird phenomenon takes over, everyone becomes a ' security guard ', jumping around, pushing and shoving, doing some kind of weird dance like something off of Benny Hill.

 

I find it kinda weird about ref hysteria.

Their shit and incompetent and bent.

Hatred.

When you reduce another soul to being shit its soo much easier to give it a good wack like a dumb beast.

Refs getting wacked happens here.

 

 

[Open End Numb Legs]

The coward in the brown jacket - what was going through his tiny mind, kicking the ref whilst he was lying on the ground?

Pretty shocking stuff. The only good thing that could come out of this is a new approach at all levels to respecting the officials. I don't expect agreement with decisions and mistakes will still be made, but it is about how teams react.

Teams like Man City must learn how they are part of setting the right example that millions see on TV.

[Cowshed]

12 hours ago, spudski said:

The Turks are competing as well...

 

380 bans for amateur footballers and coaches following spike in referee attacks | ITV News

We have a big problem here.   

[A Horse With No Name]

13 minutes ago, Packman said:

Kick to the head whilst on the floor also, arrest both men and throw the book at them. Then kick the team out the league.

I think it's the kick that caused the damage to the eye, as looking at stills of the punch it was more on the jaw. Obviously wrong on every level, but the kick could be seen as far more serious. 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

38 minutes ago, Sixtyseconds said:

That's a Judas punch.

A weaklings cowards punch.

Court.

 

Handbags at dawn

[supercidered]

45 minutes ago, spudski said:

It is indeed. 

I always find it weird that when something like this happens in football, or a bad tackle, everyone gets involved, some kind of weird phenomenon takes over, everyone becomes a ' security guard ', jumping around, pushing and shoving, doing some kind of weird dance like something off of Benny Hill.

 

There's one for the kids Spudski. 

[supercidered]

43 minutes ago, Packman said:

Kick to the head whilst on the floor also, arrest both men and throw the book at them. Then kick the team out the league.

I didn't see the kick to the head at first. Absolutely shocking. Cowardly act of the highest order.

[CliftonCliff]

Just catching up with this news from last night. It evokes a conflicting response. Clearly absolutely appalling on one level, but there’s also a certain sense of inevitability about it, too, like it was bound to happen sometime, somewhere, eventually. 
 

A line has been crossed. Have to give credit to the Turkish football authorities, in as much as the immediate suspension of all fixtures seems to me to be proportionate. It leaves nobody in any doubt about the enormity of what’s taken place. 
 

I would have thought, for starters, a total life ban for the individual who threw the punch from any involvement of any kind in the game. The same would have to apply to anyone else who physically attacked the referee. What thereafter? Sanctions against the club? Hard to see how that can be avoided, although it’s always tough when innocent parties suffer for the inexplicable actions of one complete idiot.

 Maybe something constructive can emerge from it when the shock subsides, especially if the implications are debated beyond the confines of Turkey’s domestic game. A wide ranging review of refereeing standards, player behaviour towards referees, referee welfare, and how the promote a culture of greater respect and discipline would be timely. This could and arguably should be a big moment in the evolution of the sport in Europe, if it shines a light on issues that need addressing across all levels of the game.

[Three Lions]

Just now, CliftonCliff said:

 

 Maybe something constructive can emerge from it when the shock subsides, especially if the implications are debated beyond the confines of Turkey’s domestic game. A wide ranging review of refereeing standards, player behaviour towards referees, referee welfare, and how the promote a culture of greater respect and discipline would be timely. This could and arguably should be a big moment in the evolution of the sport in Europe, if it shines a light on issues that need addressing across all levels of the game.

A lino died in the Netherands ten years ago 

On otib we see refs geting coated off for errors some say they should publicity be made to explain their mistakes maybe  we should make them do it naked to humiliate them a bit more?? on motd sky we will see refs slagged off criticised by pundits who cant get the laws right. what goes on at the top gets repeated through the game and worse. refs are easy game including children refs having a pop at the refs is a bit sport and putting refs children purple tops to identify their child refs doesnt stop the pop at the kid ref sport.  Refs will be attacked here this week end as they are every week. A ref in Bristol had to call the police as his car was surrounded by angry parents after A kids game make no mistake a ref death is in the post in this country. 

Forget review of ref standards that happens every game up from the kids to the epl what should happen is that there is a zero tolerance to ref abuse and violence starting at the to ban klopp for months and Guardiola, ban players for months because what they do gets repeated. Put the players under a % of the scrutiny refs are with proper bans and things will change.

[bcfc01]

21 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

Just catching up with this news from last night. It evokes a conflicting response. Clearly absolutely appalling on one level, but there’s also a certain sense of inevitability about it, too, like it was bound to happen sometime, somewhere, eventually. 
 

A line has been crossed. Have to give credit to the Turkish football authorities, in as much as the immediate suspension of all fixtures seems to me to be proportionate. It leaves nobody in any doubt about the enormity of what’s taken place. 
 

I would have thought, for starters, a total life ban for the individual who threw the punch from any involvement of any kind in the game. The same would have to apply to anyone else who physically attacked the referee. What thereafter? Sanctions against the club? Hard to see how that can be avoided, although it’s always tough when innocent parties suffer for the inexplicable actions of one complete idiot.

 Maybe something constructive can emerge from it when the shock subsides, especially if the implications are debated beyond the confines of Turkey’s domestic game. A wide ranging review of refereeing standards, player behaviour towards referees, referee welfare, and how the promote a culture of greater respect and discipline would be timely. This could and arguably should be a big moment in the evolution of the sport in Europe, if it shines a light on issues that need addressing across all levels of the game.

Just to say that it wasn't just one individual.

The ref was attacked by several after the initial assault whilst on the ground - he was kicked several times.

 

[redkev]

5 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

The coward in the brown jacket - what was going through his tiny mind, kicking the ref whilst he was lying on the ground?

Pretty shocking stuff. The only good thing that could come out of this is a new approach at all levels to respecting the officials. I don't expect agreement with decisions and mistakes will still be made, but it is about how teams react.

Teams like Man City must learn how they are part of setting the right example that millions see on TV.

Ummm if that was me on the floor and I just seen that footage , I would be finding out where the coward in the brown jacket lives / socialises and pay him a little visit with either a few friends an X-Large bully dog or a good old baseball bat 

[transfer reader]

16 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

A lino died in the Netherands ten years ago 

On otib we see refs geting coated off for errors some say they should publicity be made to explain their mistakes maybe  we should make them do it naked to humiliate them a bit more?? on motd sky we will see refs slagged off criticised by pundits who cant get the laws right. what goes on at the top gets repeated through the game and worse. refs are easy game including children refs having a pop at the refs is a bit sport and putting refs children purple tops to identify their child refs doesnt stop the pop at the kid ref sport.  Refs will be attacked here this week end as they are every week. A ref in Bristol had to call the police as his car was surrounded by angry parents after A kids game make no mistake a ref death is in the post in this country. 

Forget review of ref standards that happens every game up from the kids to the epl what should happen is that there is a zero tolerance to ref abuse and violence starting at the to ban klopp for months and Guardiola, ban players for months because what they do gets repeated. Put the players under a % of the scrutiny refs are with proper bans and things will change.

I don't think a ref being asked to explain their decisions is unreasonable, particularly when the frequency of baffling decisions is ever increasing.

There was a Swedish ref who publicly posted some of theirs a few years ago, and even after a game where he got a big penalty decision wrong he got a mostly positive response, probably in part because he acknowledged he made a mistake, but he also explained his thought process for the decision made.

Wanting to understand where a referee was coming from when they make a decision that is an obvious error to everyone else is so far removed from what happened in Turkey yesterday that they should not even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

This is another way VAR is failing.

Currently the audio of the process is being allowed to the media crew, but the fans are kept in the dark.

Fans should be able to hear the reasoning (if we stick with the steaming pile of shite known as VAR).

Then when a clear red isn't given (Romero on Sunday, possibly Guimaraes too) the fans at least know why, and this would pro actively go towards stopping a large amount of abuse that might follow.

Edited December 12, 2023 by transfer reader

[Mallorcan Red]

Time to get rid of actual human refs. It's half done anyway, now we have VAR. This is a cut/paste from something I read that I wasn't supposed to (admittedly from someone discussing US MLS not UEFA)

Aerial Surveillance:

Drones with high-resolution cameras and sophisticated AI algorithms would be deployed to provide a bird's-eye view of the entire field. These drones would be capable of tracking the ball's trajectory, detecting offside positions, and identifying any incidents that could affect the game's outcome.

AI-powered image analysis would enable the drones to detect and interpret complex game situations, such as fouls, handballs, and goal-line decisions. This would eliminate the need for human officials to make split-second judgments in challenging situations.

Boundary Monitoring:

Embedded sensors around the perimeter of the field would detect when the ball crosses the goal line or goes out of play. This would eliminate the need for linesmen to flag offside or out of bounds plays, ensuring more accurate decisions.

These sensors would also be used to track the movement of players, enabling the AI system to identify offside positions and ensure that all players are following the rules.

Injury Detection and Assistance:

Contact sensors embedded in players' shin guards or other body parts would detect when a player suffers a significant impact or collision. This would trigger an alert to the AI system, which would immediately halt the game and signal for medical assistance.

The AI system could also communicate with the players through wearable devices, providing real-time feedback on their health and fitness status. This could help to prevent injuries and ensure player safety.

Data Integration and Decision-Making:

A central AI system would receive data from all the sensors and cameras on the field, as well as from other sources such as referee communication devices and player tracking systems.

This system would analyse the data in real-time, using AI algorithms to identify and classify game events, detect fouls or rule violations, and determine the appropriate outcome for each situation.

The AI system would communicate its decisions to the on-field players through electronic displays located around the stadium, eliminating the need for human officials to intervene.

Then after this I guess its just onto robots playing the game itself. 

 

[Three Lions]

12 minutes ago, transfer reader said:

I don't think a ref being asked to explain their decisions is unreasonable, particularly when the frequency of baffling decisions is ever increasing.

 

where do you get increasing from? 

 

[Markthehorn]

One thing for refs to be criticised and maybe abused in the heat of the moment but there is no excuse for this sort of violent physical reaction.

You wouldn’t get away with in most places so these thugs shouldn’t now.

[transfer reader]

9 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

where do you get increasing from? 

 

That's my perception, rather than data driven.

If you have data that contradicts it, then by all means share it and I'll accept that it isn't.

But off the top of my head there was the 'offside' Liverpool goal that wasn't offside, a penalty decision and 2 red cards not given in the Fulham vs Wolves game, Romero and potentially Guimaraes on Sunday in the Spurs vs Newcastle game, penalty that was given in the Wolves vs Newcastle game, the non-awarding of a penalty against Onana in the Man Utd vs Wolves game.

IIRC the penalty Luton got against Brighton was more than a bit dubious too.

Even the Tottenham vs Chelsea game, Spurs had 2 players who should have been sent off with reds not given (although at least 1 of those was later sent off)

As I said, that's just the ones this season off the top of my head.

Edited December 12, 2023 by transfer reader

[Three Lions]

1 minute ago, transfer reader said:

That's my perception, rather than data driven.

 

 

a perception driven by? media broadcasters who often dont know the laws of the game. 

The scrutiny is put on the refs. Putting refs out there to explain mistakes puts on more scrutiny on the ref. seriously maybe they should do it naked so they can be belittled some more mocked more by many who despise authority. Thats the problem. We have dont have respect its no respect.