Nige

[BCFC31]

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! Yet manning is in there! Nigel managed this club for 10 months in 2023 for god sake. For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

Edited December 31, 2023 by BCFC31

[glynriley]

1 minute ago, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

It’s not the first time. When LJ replaced Cotts, the same thing happened. Almost like the managers they get rid of cease to exist once they’ve left. 

[petehinton]

I shouldn’t be so surprised. This is the same club and media/comms set up who cut any pictures or clips of Cotterill out of literally any highlights of the double winning season for many years. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by petehinton

[Guest]

1 minute ago, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

Didn’t something similar happen with Cotts?
 

My last word on this subject is to say what a cheap bunch of losers we have running our club.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Airbrushing at its finest.

Pravda would be proud.

Dismayed but sadly not surprised.

[Sir Geoff]

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Airbrushing at its finest.

Pravda would be proud.

Dismayed but sadly not surprised.

It's Steve's club and he will do exactly as he wants.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, Sir Geoff said:

It's Steve's club and he will do exactly as he wants.

Get the impression although he is the ultimate financier, Jon Lansdown and Tinnion though of course SL can pull rank whenever.

Edited December 31, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[REDOXO]

5 minutes ago, glynriley said:

It’s not the first time. When LJ replaced Cotts, the same thing happened. Almost like certain managers they get rid of cease to exist once they’ve left. 

Fixed!

[Silvio Dante]

This is one where the club don’t help themselves.

Including a picture or two of Nige who was manager for 10/12 of the year in a “year review” post would cost nothing, be sensible and had they done so, nobody would have commented. It wouldn’t have started a “we want NP back” movement which they maybe feared - but by omission, they’ve now drawn attention to their pettiness.

Clearly nobody at AG has heard of the Streisand effect.

[Sir Geoff]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Get the impression although he is the ultimate financier, Jon Lansdown and Tinnion though of course SL can pull rank whenever.

The PR department of the club never help themselves or the image of the club though do they. How can you airbrush a manager that a large proportion of fans think should still be in charge. They really don't get it do they ?

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Sir Geoff said:

The PR department of the club never help themselves or the image of the club though do they. How can you airbrush a manager that a large proportion of fans think should still be in charge. They really don't get it do they ?

Totally agree.

A good chunk of our PR, social media output is sketchy at best- they definitely don't get it.

[Red Army 75]

Well if they won’t post one. 
 

Happy new year Nige. 

[Barrs Court Red]

I’m not looking to go over old ground with Niges sacking, but this is extremely petty from the club - it’s not like he was sacked because of fan pressure, so it won’t offend anyone.

“Grow up” comes to mind. 

[ExiledAjax]

Easy stick to beat them with but the truth is that the club probably no longer have a licence to use his image.

[exAtyeoMax]

27 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! Yet manning is in there! Nigel managed this club for 10 months in 2023 for god sake. For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

You can always give him a mention? I was going to include him in my 3 players

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

Easy stick to beat them with but the truth is that the club probably no longer have a licence to use his image.

The truth is that club own the image rights of anyone in their employment or registered, covering the whole period of their employment/registration unless negotiated otherwise. That goes all the way down to Academy players.

[Top Robin]

16 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Well if they won’t post one. 
 

Happy new year Nige. 

I think a few on here would prefer a topless one

[Super]

7 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Easy stick to beat them with but the truth is that the club probably no longer have a licence to use his image.

Surely this isn't right?!

[Merrick's Marvels]

35 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! Yet manning is in there! Nigel managed this club for 10 months in 2023 for god sake. For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

They're petty c.u.n.t.s and dead to me.

But we'll still be here long after they've funked off so Up the City and HNY to all real Reds everywhere!

Edited December 31, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[Numero Uno]

Just now, Super said:

Surely this isn't right?!

It isn’t.

[BCFC31]

3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The truth is that club own the image rights of anyone in their employment or registered, covering the whole period of their employment/registration unless negotiated otherwise. That goes all the way down to Academy players.

Yes I wouldn't have thought imagine rights was an issue the club have loads of past players and managers up on the wall in the players tunnel for a start 

[Silvio Dante]

Just now, BCFC31 said:

Yes I wouldn't have thought imagine rights was an issue the club have loads of past players and managers up on the wall in the players tunnel for a start 

In some kind of bizarre public lynching?!?

[One Team]

Yet another example of how disconnected the club are with the fans. 

A bit of humility would go a long way right now, but no, let’s pretend Nige wasn’t there for 10 months of the year and whitewash his achievements. 

To the earlier points Lansdown & Co do indeed have previous with Cotts, nigh on air brushing him from the double winning season. 

It must really be jarring for Lansdown to admit some of the managers he didn’t get on with actually achieved something. 

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

They're petty c.u.n.t.s and dead to me.

But we'll still be here long after they've funked off so Up the City and HNY to all real Reds everywhere!

It’s childish but completely expected. Nige joins a small list of managers, who had one thing in common, that have been cancelled by the club (ie the hierarchy).

For me it’s a case of support the manager/staff and the team and treat the hierarchy with the utter contempt they have brought upon themselves.

As long as we all remember none of this type of thing is Liam’s doing we’ll be fine.

[Merrick's Marvels]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It’s childish but completely expected. Nige joins a small list of managers, who had one thing in common, that have been cancelled by the club (ie the hierarchy).

For me it’s a case of support the manager/staff and the team and treat the hierarchy with the utter contempt they have brought upon themselves.

As long as we all remember none of this type of thing is Liam’s doing we’ll be fine.

Precisely.

[BCFC31]

4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It’s childish but completely expected. Nige joins a small list of managers, who had one thing in common, that have been cancelled by the club (ie the hierarchy).

For me it’s a case of support the manager/staff and the team and treat the hierarchy with the utter contempt they have brought upon themselves.

As long as we all remember none of this type of thing is Liam’s doing we’ll be fine.

Yes this is they way I support the club now and did when pearson was here aswell the landowns have totally lost my respect.

[pongo88]

The USSR used to be good at this. If anyone fell out with Stalin he simply disappeared from History 

[Numero Uno]

25 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Easy stick to beat them with but the truth is that the club probably no longer have a licence to use his image.

When you sign for a club there is a separate form you also have to sign that transfers ownership of your image rights to the club. With top pro’s I would imagine that the wording is changed to allow the club free use of images with the player having ultimate ownership (eg Ronaldo would demand ownership of his image rights).

[ExiledAjax]

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

When you sign for a club there is a separate form you also have to sign that transfers ownership of your image rights to the club. With top pro’s I would imagine that the wording is changed to allow the club free use of images with the player having ultimate ownership (eg Ronaldo would demand ownership of his image rights).

Yes. 

There is no such standard contract for managers.

As you said in your other post.

Unless negotiated otherwise.

[Loco Rojo]

Events this year have shown to me that we are run by classless owners who don't miss an opportunity to disappoint whenever they're presented with a chance to show maturity and professionalism (and god forbid a chance to earn some resepct back from fans). Would it be too much for them to show a small level of appreciation and acknowledge Pearson's time here? Especially at this time of year. No, not surprised at all by the way they continue to behave. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Loco Rojo

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

Yes. 

There is no such standard contract for managers.

As you said in your other post.

Unless negotiated otherwise.

There is……like I said it goes all the way down to 9 year old Academy lads. I think we all know what the craic is here. He’s been cancelled by Bristol Sport inc, everybody knows it.

[Numero Uno]

5 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Events this year have shown to me that we are run by classless owners who don't miss an opportunity to disappoint whenever they're presented with a chance to show maturity and professionalism (and god forbid a chance to earn some resepct back from fans). Would it be too much for them to show a small level of appreciation and acknowledge Pearson's time here? Especially at this time of year. No, not surprised at all by the way they continue to behave. 

This thread shows that people aren’t being irrational and unnecessarily angry as a few would want to believe. You have to pity people who behave that way.

[ExiledAjax]

9 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

There is……like I said it goes all the way down to 9 year old Academy lads. I think we all know what the craic is here. He’s been cancelled by Bristol Sport inc, everybody knows it.

Yes for players there is a standard contract set by the EFL which we then vary by an addendum. Both the EFL standard and our variation include clauses relating to image rights, and most of the first team will have a separate image rights agreement as well. If we insist that players from academy to first team take a standard set of variations there then ok.

But there is no standard EFL mandated manager contract and so Pearson will have had the opportunity to negotiate his own terms.

If you've seen his contract and settlement terms and you're telling me he accepted the same terms as a 9 year old in the academy then fine.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, ExiledAjax said:

Yes for players there is a standard contract set by the EFL which we then vary by an addendum. Both the EFL standard and our variation include clauses relating to image rights, and most of the first team will have a separate image rights agreement as well. If we insist that players from academy to first team take a standard set of variations there then ok.

But there is no standard EFL mandated manager contract and so Pearson will have had the opportunity to negotiate his own terms.

If you've seen his contract and settlement terms and you're telling me he accepted the same terms as a 9 year old in the academy then fine.

Let’s put it this way then, if Pearson denied the club the use of his image it’s childish on his part otherwise it’s Cancel Culture at its finest. I know where my money is. Do you think that the club couldn’t now use a team photo from the start of the season because Pearson is in it?

[Mr X]

Putin could learn a thing or two from the Lansdowns when it comes to re-writing and airbrushing history. 

[CliftonCliff]

It’s confirmation, if any were needed, of the almost universal OTIB view that NP’s sacking was motivated by personal animosity and had little to do with the spurious, transparent and, frankly, pathetic football related excuses offered at the time. It’s pure spite and suggests the level of emotional maturity of the persons responsible is that of a toddler.
 

When you see even posters who are not easily given to overstatement using language like “contempt” you know that the relationship between ownership and fans has deteriorated to an all time low from which it can never recover, regardless of what happens on the pitch. I’ve said before that, like quite a few others, I staunchly defended SL in the past against what I saw at the time as unfair criticism and ingratitude, but I have come to despise this regime. There is a complete and utter lack of professionalism in evidence that honestly makes me fear for the future of the club.

 

[ExiledAjax]

23 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Let’s put it this way then, if Pearson denied the club the use of his image it’s childish on his part otherwise it’s Cancel Culture at its finest.

Agreed. It does look odd and yes it's either the result of childish negotiation/petulance or what you term "cancel culture." My original post was intended to point out that there is an alternative reason for his omission.

23 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Do you think that the club couldn’t now use a team photo from the start of the season because Pearson is in it?

I think that would depend on the terms of any settlement or image rights agreement, the context of the use of that photo, and the attitude of the club and of our ex-manager.

Edited December 31, 2023 by ExiledAjax

[Boston Red]

It's a completely unforced error. After 10 points out of 12, no one was looking to go over this old ground again. They have brought it on themselves and revealed a totally unnecessary pettiness, vindictiveness, and lack of class. They are going out of their way to show themselves in a bad light when there is absolutely no need to. 

Oh well, let us be grateful for small mercies. Stalin used to airbrush out of photos those colleagues whom he had had murdered. At least the regime has not sunk that far......................................

[Robbored]

As other have said this has happened before so is not a new phenomenon.

If we look at the clubs reasoning it’s fairly clear that as before with SC and LJ that the the club want to show where we are now and are looking to the future not where we were under our previous manager where there was no future.

 

[Numero Uno]

10 minutes ago, Robbored said:

As other have said this has happened before so is not a new phenomenon.

If we look at the clubs reasoning it’s fairly clear that as before with SC and LJ that the the club want to show where we are now and are looking to the future not where we were under our previous manager where there was no future.

 

If that's the case it might be better for all, particularly themselves, that the club doesn't do a 12 month "review" and expose their negative personality traits then...........

[Numero Uno]

24 minutes ago, Boston Red said:

It's a completely unforced error. After 10 points out of 12, no one was looking to go over this old ground again. They have brought it on themselves and revealed a totally unnecessary pettiness, vindictiveness, and lack of class. They are going out of their way to show themselves in a bad light when there is absolutely no need to. 

Oh well, let us be grateful for small mercies. Stalin used to airbrush out of photos those colleagues whom he had had murdered. At least the regime has not sunk that far......................................

The positive is that there will be no negativity towards the people who count tomorrow (unless we are 4-0 down after half an hour obviously but that would be the same if we had Pep in charge!!) and moving forwards. If anything all the situation does is confirm in many people's minds that their view of where responsibility for any issues at the club lies is correct.

[Robbored]

58 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

If that's the case it might be better for all, particularly themselves, that the club doesn't do a 12 month "review" and expose their negative personality traits then...........

I’m not defending the club, I’m simply trying to look at it from their perspective. Whether it’s right or wrong is a moot point.

Audi alteram partem

Edited December 31, 2023 by Robbored

[BCFC31]

57 minutes ago, Robbored said:

As other have said this has happened before so is not a new phenomenon.

If we look at the clubs reasoning it’s fairly clear that as before with SC and LJ that the the club want to show where we are now and are looking to the future not where we were under our previous manager where there was no future.

 

Um It's a 2023 review.... the whole point of the reel is past tence.

Edited December 31, 2023 by BCFC31

[fisherrich]

2 hours ago, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! Yet manning is in there! Nigel managed this club for 10 months in 2023 for god sake. For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

Agreed, complete disrespect by the Board (joke) and the Lansdowns. Talk about working on a shoestring.
Be glad when they are gone.
What NP has done for this club deserves some form of appreciation/respect from the owners. You get nothing!

[ORANGE500]

1 hour ago, Boston Red said:

It's a completely unforced error. After 10 points out of 12, no one was looking to go over this old ground again. They have brought it on themselves and revealed a totally unnecessary pettiness, vindictiveness, and lack of class. They are going out of their way to show themselves in a bad light when there is absolutely no need to. 

Oh well, let us be grateful for small mercies. Stalin used to airbrush out of photos those colleagues whom he had had murdered. At least the regime has not sunk that far......................................

Then why keep going  over it again and again. Who really cares in fact one person I highly doubt gives a stuff whether his photo is included or not and that's Nigel Pearson he's probably moved on like some on this forum should.

[Natchfever]

4 minutes ago, ORANGE500 said:

Then why keep going  over it again and again. Who really cares in fact one person I highly doubt gives a stuff whether his photo is included or not and that's Nigel Pearson he's probably moved on like some on this forum should.

Seriously have you not read the reasoned posts on this thread ?

Why have a review at all if you elect to airbrush it so blatantly.

[frenchred]

1 hour ago, ORANGE500 said:

Then why keep going  over it again and again. Who really cares in fact one person I highly doubt gives a stuff whether his photo is included or not and that's Nigel Pearson he's probably moved on like some on this forum should.

Your about as much out of touch as our deluded leader are

Either that or your just thick

[spudski]

Ironic the wording about recognition...Nige deserves recognition for what he did here. 

 

[CliftonCliff]

2 hours ago, ORANGE500 said:

Then why keep going  over it again and again. Who really cares in fact one person I highly doubt gives a stuff whether his photo is included or not and that's Nigel Pearson he's probably moved on like some on this forum should.

If missing the point was an Olympic event, you’d have more gold medals than Usain Bolt. 
 

In over six decades of following this club, I have only once seen a consensus and a strength of feeling to surpass what’s happened in recent weeks, and that was when BCFC almost ceased to exist in the early eighties. If you don’t understand the reaction, you must be tone deaf and have seriously misread the situation.

I respectfully suggest you take another, carefully considered look and think it through again.

[Street red]

Cotts tomorrow.

[cotswoldred2]

32 minutes ago, Street red said:

Cotts tomorrow.

Well that's inconvenient, doesn't fit the narrative on here.

[eardun]

7 hours ago, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! Yet manning is in there! Nigel managed this club for 10 months in 2023 for god sake. For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

Perhaps they’ve posted them on the former players and managers sub forum.

[joe jordans teeth]

7 hours ago, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! Yet manning is in there! Nigel managed this club for 10 months in 2023 for god sake. For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

You move on in all walks of life but sadly this club lacks class

[johnheadbcfc]

2 hours ago, frenchred said:

Your about as much out of touch as our deluded leader are

Either that or your just thick

Nice

[Bazooka Joe]

6 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m not defending the club, I’m simply trying to look at it from their perspective. Whether it’s right or wrong is a moot point.

Audi alteram partem

What have altered Audi parts got to do with this?

 

[redsquirrel]

52 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

What have altered Audi parts got to do with this?

 

they dont work properly like the genuine thing either

[Colombo Robin]

Have enjoyed watching the games much more since he left. Thanks for the platform Nige which you indeed put well in place. 

Edited January 1 by Colombo Robin

[Colemanballs]

11 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Agreed. It does look odd and yes it's either the result of childish negotiation/petulance or what you term "cancel culture." My original post was intended to point out that there is an alternative reason for his omission.

I think that would depend on the terms of any settlement or image rights agreement, the context of the use of that photo, and the attitude of the club and of our ex-manager.

Absolute twaddle. For starters, there is no statutory image right under UK law. None of the various methods used to try and enforce image rights (trade marks, copyright, passing off or performers rights) would prevent the club from posting online a photo in which they owned the copyright.

[cellist]

We seem to manage to post a happy birthday message with a picture to every ex-player under the sun (Jamie Paterson the other day!) so not sure how the image rights work with that

[Natchfever]

12 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Well that's inconvenient, doesn't fit the narrative on here.

I doubt even Lansdown would dictate to the BBC who they bring as guests to the stadium.

Must try harder.

[johnheadbcfc]

Face value it seems abit childish to not include him... problem is none of us no if anything happened behind closed doors that made it this way.

[2015]

I support the team and coaching staff.

As far as the media team, the board, the owners and whatever BT is nowadays they can all do one. Childish bunch of losers.

[BrizzleRed]

This latest childish display by the club just confirms one thing to me.  Whilst we get changes of managers or head coaches, nothing really changes at the top.

It’s a warning to anyone getting excited about the possibilty that three wins on the trot are signalling a new beginning.  Just remember, we still have the same owner and we are already reverting back to the ‘cozy club’ after dumping a highly experienced Manager and also a very experienced ex-Premier League CEO and replacing him with the yes man, social media maestro BT and his childish tweets.  Does that really signal a professional outfit who are going places?  

Sounds like another typical Lansdown rinse and repeat to me and after all these years under SL’s ownership, I sadly believe it’s unrealistic to anticipate him achieving anything more than he already has, when he still allows this amateurish nonsense to continue.

 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, BrizzleRed said:

This latest childish display by the club just confirms one thing to me.  Whilst we get changes of managers or head coaches, nothing really changes at the top.

It’s a warning to anyone getting excited about the possibilty that three wins on the trot are signalling a new beginning.  Just remember, we still have the same owner and we are already reverting back to the ‘cozy club’ after dumping a highly experienced Manager and also a very experienced ex-Premier League CEO and replacing him with the yes man, social media maestro BT and his childish tweets.  Does that really signal a professional outfit who are going places?  

Sounds like another typical Lansdown rinse and repeat to me and after all these years under SL’s ownership, I sadly believe it’s unrealistic to anticipate him achieving anything more than he already has, when he still allows this amateurish nonsense to continue.

 

We have to hope that Liam can deliver above expectation to negate the malaise “upstairs” although, in my view, he needs board backing and bang on recruitment, no mistakes (a tough ask for anyone tbf), to achieve that.

[BrizzleRed]

12 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

We have to hope that Liam can deliver above expectation to negate the malaise “upstairs” although, in my view, he needs board backing and bang on recruitment, no mistakes (a tough ask for anyone tbf), to achieve that.

Certainly true it’ll be a tough ask.

Problem I see is, whatever is potentially achieved on the pitch, there’s always someone in the background who’s got an unerring ability to screw it all up!

[CliftonCliff]

1 minute ago, BrizzleRed said:

Certainly true it’ll be a tough ask.

Problem I see is, whatever is potentially achieved on the pitch, there’s always someone in the background who’s got an unerring ability to screw it all up!

And that's the big worry, isn't it?

Fail to exercise proper governance over the club and to install suitably qualified people to run it. Get in an almighty mess through sheer negligence, in both football and financial terms, especially in regard to player recruitment. Sack the manager, fail to acknowledge any responsibility for having caused the situation in the first place, bring in a new man (or a succession of new men) to sort out the self-inflicted shambles. Eventually get the situation stabilised, usually necessitating the sale of your best players, and having wasted several years in stagnation in the process, at least in football terms. Then dispense with the guys who got you out of the hole you dug yourself into and start all over, usually with a young, so-called, up-and-coming coach (you hope) instead of someone of experience. Rinse and repeat. 

No wonder fans despair after two decades of watching this pattern repeat itself. Three wins on the trot don't disguise the accumulated evidence of the last twenty years.

[Robbored]

12 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said:

What have altered Audi parts got to do with this?

 

Audi alteram partem Latin for “llsten to the other side” It’s used in law as well with a slightly different phrasing “ no men should be condemned unheard”

[BrizzleRed]

3 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

And that's the big worry, isn't it?

Fail to exercise proper governance over the club and to install suitably qualified people to run it. Get in an almighty mess through sheer negligence, in both football and financial terms, especially in regard to player recruitment. Sack the manager, fail to acknowledge any responsibility for having caused the situation in the first place, bring in a new man (or a succession of new men) to sort out the self-inflicted shambles. Eventually get the situation stabilised, usually necessitating the sale of your best players, and having wasted several years in stagnation in the process, at least in football terms. Then dispense with the guys who got you out of the hole you dug yourself into and start all over, usually with a young, so-called, up-and-coming coach (you hope) instead of someone of experience. Rinse and repeat. 

No wonder fans despair after two decades of watching this pattern repeat itself. Three wins on the trot don't disguise the accumulated evidence of the last twenty years.

Nail smashed squarely on head CC

You can live in hope for so long, but the last bit of hope under this ownership drained out of me with the Pearson shenanigans.  

I’m sure our fortunes on the pitch will ebb and flow, but I’ve now got zero confidence that we can sustain any meaningful progress under SL.  

As for Premier League ……. no chance!

[CliftonCliff]

2 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Nail smashed squarely on head CC

You can live in hope for so long, but the last bit of hope under this ownership drained out of me with the Pearson shenanigans.  

I’m sure our fortunes on the pitch will ebb and flow, but I’ve now got zero confidence that we can sustain any meaningful progress under SL.  

As for Premier League ……. no chance!

Afraid I have to agree. I've been a supporter since school days, over 60 years, and probably always will be, but I am drained of all optimism now and can't see that changing unless and until this lot bugger off. They've become a liability and a complete and utter bloody nightmare. 

[cotswoldred2]

2 hours ago, Natchfever said:

I doubt even Lansdown would dictate to the BBC who they bring as guests to the stadium.

Must try harder.

Well according to most deluded on here SL has control over everything...but you believe the ridiculous smear campaigns ....and whilst were at it who the Hell is going to make good the operating annual losses?

But we have to have hate figures on here, but the irony is you get your knickers in a twist, witness recent history, I doubt very much SL has any bad feelings towards Nigel or any other past manager, but it doesn't stop the old wimmin tittle tattle...Geez get behind the team and move on.