Leveller Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Strange goings on at Sunlun who’ve just announced that Pritchard wants to leave and is refusing to play. Fans are split between those who think he’s in the right and those who think this is hugely unprofessional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 OOC in the summer, wanted by Brum (reunite with Mowbray)…winder if they are trying to make Brum pay over the odds and he’s not happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: OOC in the summer, wanted by Brum (reunite with Mowbray)…winder if they are trying to make Brum pay over the odds and he’s not happy? I think that sums it up.Theyre saying he’s been offered a one year extension on reduced money. Edited January 27 by Leveller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Of course it’s unprofessional! They pay his wages, how can he refuse to play. The only Sunderland fans who will agree with him are those who still believe they are a big club and have a right to be in the premier league. They have been petty ever since Beale was appointed. Manning had mixed reviews when joining us but Sunderland were embarrassing about Beale. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said: Of course it’s unprofessional! They pay his wages, how can he refuse to play. The only Sunderland fans who will agree with him are those who still believe they are a big club and have a right to be in the premier league. They have been petty ever since Beale was appointed. Manning had mixed reviews when joining us but Sunderland were embarrassing about Beale. Thats a helluva pair of rose tinters you must have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Leveller said: Strange goings on at Sunlun who’ve just announced that Pritchard wants to leave and is refusing to play. Fans are split between those who think he’s in the right and those who think this is hugely unprofessional. Another big time Charlie,do your bloody job what you are payed for,nobody held a gun to his head when he signed the contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Looks like they are doing alright without him anyway. I wonder how much arrogance is involved that he will be gutted to see them winning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: Looks like they are doing alright without him anyway. I wonder how much arrogance is involved that he will be gutted to see them winning! No doubt when he scored he kissed the badge as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 As I posted on the Transfer Forum when he was subbed in their last home game he was raging at Beale and pointing at another player, presumably suggesting they should have been taken off not him. Downhill from there I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 One of those where if his attitude wasn't so poor he would have been a Premier League regular. Huddersfield fans saying that he threw his toys out of the pram when it all started going wrong for them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Fete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Sounds petulant unless he’s done this to force a transfer to us in which case we’ll be singing his name at Leeds… Attacking midfielder is the signing predicted.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 You can't know what's happened behind the scenes. Promises may have been made and broken. Save judgement till you know all the facts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Fete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Very very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I like him as a player . Going on strike not a good idea and won’t endear you to some fans . Be a few takers for him . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Good player, dealt with this wrong but a lot of Sunderland fans turning on Beale interestingly. Do remember at Rangers, Gerrard was very much the man manager whilst Beale was the tactical side. Is his lack of man management costing him here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) Here is what I would consider looking into if I was Sunderland. Rules may not allow for it I hasten to add..but here goes. You don't want to play? You don't get paid. Breach of contract?? If that in conjunction with Sunderland still holding his registration can be aligned, he could be stuck there in breach until the summer or in limbo until then. Either that or pay him and banish him from the side, training etc. Edited January 27 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I suppose his only excuse is that he is in the twilight of his years of earning decent money, back in the days he would of had to spend the next 30 years of being a postman or pub landlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Or proclaim breach of contract, sack, retain registration if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Now being widely reported that Michael Beale is no longer manager of Sunderland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Sacking Mowbray went well I see... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 His stock must be falling pretty fast. Who's going to have him at this level now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, The Fat Controller said: His stock must be falling pretty fast. Who's going to have him at this level now? I’m sure there’ll always be a place for him at Eastenders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Reported by the BBC now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) The only real sackings so far which have definitively been for the better have been Rohl and Cifuentes. The others? Treading water at best. Obviously the odd one you don't get a choice ie Schumacher quitting to go to Stoke, he hasn't yet done impressively there but I do believe he left a strong base at Plymouth. Plus Mowbray for Rooney of course. Edited February 19 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Serves them right for getting rid of Mowbray, as stupid a decision as its possible to make and one they might regret for years to come 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Doesn’t he have a better win record than LM? Just an observation. Has come out speaking rubbish since he has joined them to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Job for Nige? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Beale is a total ******* bellend. This was always gonna end in disaster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, petehinton said: Beale is a total ******* bellend. This was always gonna end in disaster. Agreed. Total chancer. Not sure how he ever got employed at this level (twice!!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 QPR fans will be sending Beale their messages of sympathy and support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) Ian Beale- 4 wins, 14 points 11 games. He's had his chips you might say.. Manning- 6 wins, 23 points 18 games. There's no great difference albeit Sunderland are a better side top 6 last year but then again Diallo, Stewart then a half season apiece of Simms and Geldhardt surely helped. Edited February 19 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Harry said: Agreed. Total chancer. Not sure how he ever got employed at this level (twice!!) I work with a QPR ST holder, and it’s very widely known their end that the wolves interest came because he’d spent multiple times up there delivering presentations to their board, basically whoreing himself out to them, only to act surprised and caught out by them publicly approaching him. Acted the loyal hero by turning them down. Low and behold he jumps ship at the first opportunity about 4 days later after losing some games.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) @Big C I suppose the Cup run is a differentiating factor and Manning is preferential to Beale but the cold hard facts are the cold hard facts,are they not? Edited February 19 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Replaced a popular manager and never got the fans onside from day one . Plus showing pretty inconsistent form so not a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 That job is Steve Cooper's if he wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: @Big C I suppose the Cup run is a differentiating factor and Manning is preferential to Beale but the cold hard facts are thema cold hard facts,are they not? I much prefer to look towards the future and where the club is going. Yes there have been disappointing games under Manning but I've enjoy more games under Manning this season than under Pearson 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just now, Big C said: I much prefer to look towards the future and where the club is going. Yes there have been disappointing games under Manning but I've enjoy more games under Manning this season than under Pearson All subjective really. I'd say the best points have possibly been higher than some of those under NP...The worst when bad really bad. Norwich, Millwall and Blackburn games plus the last half hour Saturday all spring to mind. Hopefully the change will pay dividends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Missing out on the play offs not acceptable for a big club with expectant fans, interested to see if sneaking into the play offs will go well this season as the gap between 3rd and 6th is on course to be the biggest ever since the championship play offs began (currently it stands at 16pts which matches the all time record after 46 games which was in 1997-98). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: All subjective really. I'd say the best points have possibly been higher than some of those under NP...The worst when bad really bad. Norwich, Millwall and Blackburn games plus the last half hour Saturday all spring to mind. Hopefully the change will pay dividends. But when you look at both Middlesbrough games, Hull, Watford away, Forest, West Ham, Southampton even Coventry away all much better than the start of the season, where I can only think of Plymouth and at a pinch Swansea away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: @Big C I suppose the Cup run is a differentiating factor and Manning is preferential to Beale but the cold hard facts are the cold hard facts,are they not? The way I see it is that Sunderland saw it wasn't working so cut their losses. We however are just going to carry on hoping it will work out. Spend lots of money etc and then it still won't probably work out and then we'll need another proper manager to come in and sort the mess out. We are too nice and patient here in the West Country. Sunderland are not so they've been decisive and got rid. It's probably an acknowledgement that they know they made a mistake getting rid of Mowbray. I was quite positive after the Boro and Soton wins but yesterdays game was atrocious. The tactics were all wrong. Team selection wrong. The motivation was all wrong. The in game management and substitutions were all wrong. I've shared my concerns before about Manning rushing players back. Putting Twine on the bench who was not fit enough to take part is up there with some of the most ludicrous decisions I've seen from a manager of this club. Right up there with Wilson not putting Lita on the bench in the po final. I've seen enough now. Manning is a coach. He's not a manager. Edited February 19 by W-S-M Seagull 2 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Any chance you lot can do this on one of the umpteen other threads instead of taking this one off topic? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarumred Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Sacked after just 12 games. Absolutely ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Back on topic, possibly partly my fault. Beale isn't very good it seems. In theory, a change could propel Sunderland especially with just 13 games left back into the race for the playoffs. They're not so far back that they can be written off entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Probably should have stayed at QPR, interestingly his win % with them was only around 40 odd % they just had a lucky streak and he followed the money. Had very little integrity with them saying he would stay, then jumping ship - a strange appointment from Sunderland, perhaps, desperate to quickly replace Mowbray - he was not helped losing good players (like Prichard) in January though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: Serves them right for getting rid of Mowbray, as stupid a decision as its possible to make and one they might regret for years to come I can think of a more stupid one. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 50 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Replaced a popular manager and never got the fans onside from day one . Plus showing pretty inconsistent form so not a surprise. Now where have I heard this before......? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) Sunderland could be keen on Will Still again, whether that is reciprocated who knows. Plus Steve Cooper could be another name in the frame. He falls upwards somewhat. Sunderland in theory could give a good budget IMO buy they seem not to be utilising their undoubtedly decent turnover so far. They've spent but less than they could. Edited February 19 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: Now where have I heard this before......? Clubs can be slaves to fashion. They see what the likes of Edwards and McKenna have done and decide they want some of that as if a trendy young coach is a guarantee of success. Follow that logic and Coventry should sack Robins immediately on the grounds that he is doing well but not in a fashionable way. Sunderland clearly didn't do their due diligence on Beale though since he is a well known ******** with not much of a track record. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 4 minutes ago, chinapig said: Clubs can be slaves to fashion. They see what the likes of Edwards and McKenna have done and decide they want some of that as if a trendy young coach is a guarantee of success. Follow that logic and Coventry should sack Robins immediately on the grounds that he is doing well but not in a fashionable way. Sunderland clearly didn't do their due diligence on Beale though since he is a well known ******** with not much of a track record. Had Coventry sacked Robins at his lowest ebb this season, then I doubt they would be back right in the mix for the playoffs. A young and trendy up and coming boss..? Since he abandoned his long held back 3, 2 PPG and 1 or 2 losses only, in 18 games. Edited February 19 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 25 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: Now where have I heard this before......? Well we've got rid of a few too tbf. Although not all have been popular. The trouble is getting someone in who is either well liked or does a better job. Well actually we had one of the former in Rob Edwards but he's busy elsewhere now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Well we've got rid of a few too tbf. Although not all have been popular. The trouble is getting someone in who is either well liked or does a better job. Well actually we had one of the former in Rob Edwards but he's busy elsewhere now. Your club got rid of a decent one in summer 2020 tbh, who had hauled the team from a hopeless position to at least a chance of survival.. All IMO of course. Edited February 19 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollsRoyce Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Beale is a top BS merchant, it was astonishing that Sunderland dumped TM for him. They did not do their due diligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Your club got rid of a decent one in summer 2020 tbh, who had hauled the team from a hopeless position to at least a chance of survival.. Yes we did but think that might have be in connection with an alleged incident at half time in one of our games . “There were rumours after the game that Pearson and Masina had been involved in a physical altercation but all those involved vehemently deny that was the case” https://theathletic.com/1937600/2020/07/19/pearson-watford-nigel-pozzo-relegation-deeney-stack-mullins/?amp=1 Edited February 19 by Markthehorn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 It's a strange one. Apparently no one wanted him in the first place but also didn't want Mowbray. I listened on Talk Sport earlier where they did an interview with a journalist/podcaster/Milan (?or Madrid)expert and Sunderland fanatic who stated that the owner "may" not have access to his father's money ( former Marseille owner) as it's in a Trust and he "may" have bought Sunderland just to gain experience prior to making a new bid for Marseille. He also stated that Mowbray's journey to the play off's last season was an accident as the club didn't want to get to The Premier League and the fact that they got to the final was not what they wanted. Conspiracy theories are numerous in football as we see on these pages but the idea of a club not wanting to get into the Prem even if just for one season is beyond bonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Sarumred said: Sacked after just 12 games. Absolutely ridiculous. Makes good tv, I see series 3 of Sunderland 'til I die is now out on Netflix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Dullmoan Tone said: Probably should have stayed at QPR, interestingly his win % with them was only around 40 odd % they just had a lucky streak and he followed the money. Had very little integrity with them saying he would stay, then jumping ship - a strange appointment from Sunderland, perhaps, desperate to quickly replace Mowbray - he was not helped losing good players (like Prichard) in January though! Tbf - when Rangers come calling i imagine that’s a massive pull, i doubt he will get another chance of managing a club as big as that. That’s no stick to beat him with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Dullmoan Tone said: Probably should have stayed at QPR, interestingly his win % with them was only around 40 odd % they just had a lucky streak and he followed the money. Had very little integrity with them saying he would stay, then jumping ship - a strange appointment from Sunderland, perhaps, desperate to quickly replace Mowbray - he was not helped losing good players (like Prichard) in January though! Sacked by Rangers and Sunderland. Big pay outs. Think he was right to move! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Sacked by Rangers and Sunderland. Big pay outs. Think he was right to move! Or is this his last significant pay day? Having failed in the Championship and the much easier SPL (given that he managed one of the 2 favourites) who would take a risk on him now? League 1 beckons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Sarumred said: Sacked after just 12 games. Absolutely ridiculous. Seems very harsh on the outside and incredibly muddled thinking by the Board both in getting rid of Mowbray in the first place (apparently because he wanted to add some experience to their youthful squad and the board refused) and then appointing Beale as a result, but I guess if he isn’t working out and players and fans aren’t enjoying working with him then you could say it’s better to cut ties now as opposed to carrying on with something that isn’t working and doesn’t appear will in the short to medium term. A bit of a mess atm though and apparently their fans want Allardyce or Keane neither of whom I would suggest would be any better! Should’ve stuck with Mowbray (assuming his health gets better) in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Seems to be following the same path as LJ. Mid table Championship, Scotland, Sunderland. Fleetwood next for you Michael baby. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Had Coventry sacked Robins at his lowest ebb this season, then I doubt they would be back right in the mix for the playoffs. A young and trendy up and coming boss..? Since he abandoned his long held back 3, 2 PPG and 1 or 2 losses only, in 18 games. That and losing his 2 best players over the summer, including the top scorer. And he has even got Kasey Palmer looking like a Championship midfielder. Must be a miracle worker! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: That and losing his 2 best players over the summer, including the top scorer. And he has even got Kasey Palmer looking like a Championship midfielder. Must be a miracle worker! Although having 25 million plus to spend plus a very healthy wage budget too must also help! Imagine if we would have given Nige the Alex Scott money in the summer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just now, W-S-M Seagull said: Although having 25 million plus to spend plus a very healthy wage budget too must also help! Imagine if we would have given Nige the Alex Scott money in the summer! But will Coventry regret not having a nest egg? Of course they ****ing won’t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 17 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Seems to be following the same path as LJ. Mid table Championship, Scotland, Sunderland. Fleetwood next for you Michael baby. Headline: Fleetwood Mic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 58 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Seems to be following the same path as LJ. Mid table Championship, Scotland, Sunderland. Fleetwood next for you Michael baby. .....Or Saudi, with his mate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Pretty sure we'll never see JL and BT taking decisive action and taking full accountability for their reckless decisions. "We are disappointed that Michael is leaving Sunderland AFC," Speakman said in a club statement. "Our desire is to improve and unfortunately that hasn’t been evident, as such we take full accountability and feel that acting decisively is in the best interests of the Club. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Pretty sure we'll never see JL and BT taking decisive action and taking full accountability for their reckless decisions. "We are disappointed that Michael is leaving Sunderland AFC," Speakman said in a club statement. "Our desire is to improve and unfortunately that hasn’t been evident, as such we take full accountability and feel that acting decisively is in the best interests of the Club. suppose we have to wait until they make one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 22 hours ago, Davefevs said: Headline: Fleetwood Mic Not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Curr Avon said: Not bad. Means a lot coming from the forum pun-meister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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