Points per game and League table since Manning took charge

[Davefevs]

44 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

City top of the form table now:

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/form-guide

 

At last, a 6 game form table!

[Mr Popodopolous]

Moving towards parity now.

11 wins, 30 games..41 points.

We are doing okay. Manning has turned it round from looking under serious pressure- the intent in 4 or 5 of the last 7 has been strong, 

Rounding off with a win at Stoke would be excellent, give us a chance of 10th even.

Rohl and Cifuentes, wow take a bow given where they were at point of takeover.

*Sheffield Wednesday- 0 Wins 3 Draws 11 Games.

*QPR- 2 Wins, 8 Points, 14 Games.

Sunderland are of interest, after they beat Plymouth in mid February..

[Davefevs]

In fairness, parity has been reached, imho

[Kibs]

After the sale of Alex Scott, followed by not replacing him, I’d have taken this seasons outcome (on the pitch).

Then factor in the injuries NP had to deal with, and also LM to a slightly lesser extent, I think it’s actually a decent achievement to have gained more points than last season and have a positive goal difference.

It may be slight, but it is progress.

[TDarwall]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

In fairness, parity has been reached, imho

I'm sure we said a few games into LMs reign that we thought he achieve much the same as NP but in a different manner. Its been a roundabout way of getting there, but that's kind of where we have ended up. 

[Davefevs]

27 minutes ago, TDarwall said:

I'm sure we said a few games into LMs reign that we thought he achieve much the same as NP but in a different manner. Its been a roundabout way of getting there, but that's kind of where we have ended up. 

Yep. We didn’t need to be sucked in by stupid “hierarchy” comments, us fans knew the likely strength of this squad.  Yeah, had the stars aligned we might’ve pushed closer to the top 6 (but not achieved it imho), and in the flipside we could’ve finished a tad lower.

My mid-expectation / target was a winning season with positive goal difference.  We ain’t a million miles away from the first bit with one game to go.

[bcfcredandwhite]

I like what Manning is trying to do. 
I am cautiously optimistic about next season. 
I’ve not felt this positive for years. 

[Mallorcan Red]

2 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I’ve not felt this positive for years. 

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I like what Manning is trying to do. 
I am cautiously optimistic about next season. 
I’ve not felt this positive for years. 

It’s taken me and plenty of others quite a time to see what exactly Manning is actually doing and tbf I’m still not sure. That said whatever it is seems to paying benefits with the unbeaten run City have been on so it’s clearly been working.

This summers business will give us a better idea of what he’s about, who he offers new deals to plus the new signings and of course the outgoing players.

[Mr Popodopolous]

For the last time this year! @Tim Monaghan maybe mentioned this thread a few days ago unless if was another thread.

I'll accept it as some good, some bad..in and around parity.

The Manning era. I'd argue parity eventually clawed back near enough.

When Fleming gave us the farewell vs Sheffield Wednesday.

[Harry]

46 game extrapolation :

Pre-Manning = 64.4 points

Manning = 60.8 points 

A 3.6 point regression. 
 

Jon 11:23 : “this change gives us the best chance to move us forward” or something like that. 

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, Harry said:

Jon 11:23 : “this change gives us the best chance to move us forward” or something like that. 

Is that a bible reference?

[Numero Uno]

18 minutes ago, Harry said:

46 game extrapolation :

Pre-Manning = 64.4 points

Manning = 60.8 points 

A 3.6 point regression. 
 

Jon 11:23 : “this change gives us the best chance to move us forward” or something like that. 

Next season the Nige comparisons stop both sides of the argument. Manning gets judged on what Manning produces from now, either way. He chooses who to retain, he rubbers stamps the recruitment, it’s his team from July, no argument.

[cidercity1987]

3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Next season the Nige comparisons stop both sides of the argument. Manning gets judged on what Manning produces from now, either way. He chooses who to retain, he rubbers stamps the recruitment, it’s his team from July, no argument.

Don't know about anyone else but I'm not judging Manning on his inferior PPG. I'm judging Lansdown and Tinnion.

That for me continues next season 

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Don't know about anyone else but I'm not judging Manning on his inferior PPG. I'm judging Lansdown and Tinnion.

That for me continues next season 

Spot on, massive improvement required there. Get fans onside would be a start. Ditch the stupid comms.

[petehinton]

35 minutes ago, Harry said:

46 game extrapolation :

Pre-Manning = 64.4 points

Manning = 60.8 points 

A 3.6 point regression. 
 

Jon 11:23 : “this change gives us the best chance to move us forward” or something like that. 

Now now, don’t ruin this with maths and facts

[Davefevs]

25 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Next season the Nige comparisons stop both sides of the argument. Manning gets judged on what Manning produces from now, either way. He chooses who to retain, he rubbers stamps the recruitment, it’s his team from July, no argument.

Indeed.  Hierarchy have set their expectations.  We will know in August whether they’ve backed up those expectations with a suitable squad.  Then the baton is firmly in Manning’s hands.

I have no doubts we will be competitive, but the question will be whether the squad will be sufficiently stronger to Mount that challenge.  Hopefully it will.

[bexhill reds]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Is that a bible reference?

A biblical **** up…

[W-S-M Seagull]

41 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Indeed.  Hierarchy have set their expectations.  We will know in August whether they’ve backed up those expectations with a suitable squad.  Then the baton is firmly in Manning’s hands.

I have no doubts we will be competitive, but the question will be whether the squad will be sufficiently stronger to Mount that challenge.  Hopefully it will.

I think at the moment we are significantly weaker. 

King's experience leaving the building is going to be huge. 

I don't think James is going to stay so that's another big loss. Twine will be a loss too. 

Then we have question marks over Williams and Conway. 

Of course we have Bird to come in which excites me but we have to replace all those players and replace them with better and I think that's going to be difficult. 

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think at the moment we are significantly weaker. 

King's experience leaving the building is going to be huge. 

I don't think James is going to stay so that's another big loss. Twine will be a loss too. 

Then we have question marks over Williams and Conway. 

Of course we have Bird to come in which excites me but we have to replace all those players and replace them with better and I think that's going to be difficult. 

When / if those materialise we can reflect appropriately.

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

When / if those materialise we can reflect appropriately.

Exactly. All conjecture until we get to Mid July and we know what we’ve got and who else we might be after.

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

When / if those materialise we can reflect appropriately.

Totally.

At the moment we don’t know.

Retained list next week gives us the first idea.

What I would say though as someone with a lot of time for Andy King, you really can’t say losing him as a player (4 league starts this season) when he will be 36 early in the next one is significant in terms of the playing side, because at best he was going to be a coach next year.

Bird hasn’t come to replace him, so realistically one of Williams (or more likely) James is off, again it is arguable that weakens us.

[1960maaan]

10 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think at the moment we are significantly weaker. 

King's experience leaving the building is going to be huge. 

I don't think James is going to stay so that's another big loss. Twine will be a loss too. 

Then we have question marks over Williams and Conway. 

Of course we have Bird to come in which excites me but we have to replace all those players and replace them with better and I think that's going to be difficult. 

I think today showed that we should really make an effort to resign James . I think Williams too , and Conway if possible. We need to add to the squad , for every one we lose it will cost a lot to replace , let alone improve on. 
Big summer for the owners , they spout ambition and they wanted the change in Manager, they now have to back him and not rely on excuses and shout budget. 

4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Exactly. All conjecture until we get to Mid July and we know what we’ve got and who else we might be after.

Yep ,gonna be a long wait for any news . It's going to be a long summer.

At least the Mrs doesn't get as fed up with me if I want to nip up to Downend for the Cricket, as she does when I write off Saturday by going to Football .

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Totally.

At the moment we don’t know.

Retained list next week gives us the first idea.

What I would say though as someone with a lot of time for Andy King, you really can’t say losing him as a player (4 league starts this season) when he will be 36 early in the next one is significant in terms of the playing side, because at best he was going to be a coach next year.

Bird hasn’t come to replace him, so realistically one of Williams (or more likely) James is off, again it is arguable that weakens us.

Plus a few injured back. Annoying as today was some people seem to have entered a deep depression about it. I get it if you paid to go, totally, but in terms of what it means going forward……nothing at all. It’s all about the Chuckle Brothers for the next two months or so then Manning from July when he’s doing his pre-season work.

Get it badly wrong next season and the club will have a problem which, despite some seemingly wanting it to happen, was never going to happen at the moment. As expected many of the “I’m not setting foot in the Gate whilst these clowns are in charge” posts was venting off and hot air in many (not all tbf) cases.

[Rob k]

27 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think at the moment we are significantly weaker. 

King's experience leaving the building is going to be huge. 

I don't think James is going to stay so that's another big loss. Twine will be a loss too. 

Then we have question marks over Williams and Conway. 

Of course we have Bird to come in which excites me but we have to replace all those players and replace them with better and I think that's going to be difficult. 

King will make no difference to us on the pitch so IMO him leaving won’t make us weaker. It’s an interesting summer ahead and i hope the recruitment is done early.

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Annoying as today was some people seem to have entered a deep depression about it.

Perversely it might not be the worst thing in the world, will focus a few minds in the hierarchy that we aren’t the finished article.  It possibly balances out a couple of the games in the last 7 where maybe the result exceeded the performance.  Get us back on a level.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Perversely it might not be the worst thing in the world, will focus a few minds in the hierarchy that we aren’t the finished article.  It possibly balances out a couple of the games in the last 7 where maybe the result exceeded the performance.  Get us back on a level.

Exactly what I said. If they think we are two players from where we need to be they are wrong. Had we won 2-0 today it would still be wrong but today puts it in sharper focus. That’s why I can’t get too down about it.

[petehinton]

3 minutes ago, Rob k said:

King will make no difference to us on the pitch so IMO him leaving won’t make us weaker. It’s an interesting summer ahead and i hope the recruitment is done early.

Don’t think you can under estimate his off field, dressing room importance though. Same with James, although he’s a class act on the pitch too. 
 

You need leaders and experience. Losing them both is absolutely huge for different reasons. 

[Rob k]

19 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Don’t think you can under estimate his off field, dressing room importance though. Same with James, although he’s a class act on the pitch too. 
 

You need leaders and experience. Losing them both is absolutely huge for different reasons. 

Maybe - but they have had a long time to address this. You Can’t keep paying a player cos he’s good in the dressing room. 

[Sir Geoff]

8 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Maybe - but they have had a long time to address this. You Can’t keep paying a player cos he’s good in the dressing room. 

Maybe not but if he's got his coaching badges and spent the past year at the club as a player coach then surely it would be a good idea to find a role for him. Particularly as he has a good rapport with the younger members of the squad.