CyderInACan Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Sheedy to Cardiff confirmed. Probably best for all parties, as long as we replace him properly. Always like Sheedy but probably best for all parties that he crosses back over the bridge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 This might interest some. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2024/01/31/saudi-arabia-buy-leicester-gloucester-northampton-newcastle/ Saudis entering the Rugby market?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Wondering why Bristol given the excellent infrastructure wouldn't be a candidate here. I guess there are 4 of the big hitters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Wondering why Bristol given the excellent infrastructure wouldn't be a candidate here. I guess there are 4 of the big hitters? I would guess also one of the only prem clubs that's got a relatively wealthy backing already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Just now, Club and Country said: I would guess also one of the only prem clubs that's got a relatively wealthy backing already True. Lansdown is or has been looking for investment though and a combination of the infrastructure, the multi-sports model..perhaps the others would represent better value however. There is a Salary Cap in rugby too as in a hard not soft one, absolute not %...wonder how this will align. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 1 Admin Report Share Posted February 1 12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Wondering why Bristol given the excellent infrastructure wouldn't be a candidate here. I guess there are 4 of the big hitters? Two words "Bristol Sport" The rugby club, like the football club is so entwined with other companies it is a minefield just to purchase one of the clubs 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 24 minutes ago, phantom said: Two words "Bristol Sport" The rugby club, like the football club is so entwined with other companies it is a minefield just to purchase one of the clubs That could turn out a good thing if it ends up protecting the clubs from becoming sportswashing projects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 33 minutes ago, Northern Red said: We don't play for 6 weeks now do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 30 minutes ago, Super said: We don't play for 6 weeks now do we? When they say weeks, they basically mean matches (don't know whether it'll include the Crusaders friendly but I suspect not). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, phantom said: Two words "Bristol Sport" The rugby club, like the football club is so entwined with other companies it is a minefield just to purchase one of the clubs It really isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 1 Admin Report Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: It really isn't. Believe me after meeting with Bristol City recently to discuss these sort of things it is a long way from being easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, phantom said: Believe me after meeting with Bristol City recently to discuss these sort of things it is a long way from being easy You were discussing the potential sale of Bears or City? The structure is nothing spectacularly complex that some good lawyers couldn't sort out as mentioned by @ExiledAjax many times. Fact of the matter is Steve wants too much money. Nothing to do with structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: You were discussing the potential sale of Bears or City? The structure is nothing spectacularly complex that some good lawyers couldn't sort out as mentioned by @ExiledAjax many times. Fact of the matter is Steve wants too much money. Nothing to do with structure. To be fair to @phantom I think that both things can be true. The structure is basically as complicated as you want to say it is, and varies by experience. Compared to the corporate structure of a private equity or pension fund, it's simple. As simple as a skateboard is if compared to a jet fighter. But from a lay person's point of view it is more complicated than it needs to be and is daunting. There's also two structures really. There's the corporate ownership structure - the skeleton maybe. Then there's the commercial and contractual relationships between those companies - call that the muscles on top of those bones. Is it beyond the wit of £800 p/h lawyers and accountants? Absolutely not. Is it "simple"? No not really. In terms of it impacting a prospective investors decision it will probably put some off. Not because of the inherent complexity, but simply because unravelling or adapting it is more work than they can be bothered to do. But not all will be put off. Edited February 1 by ExiledAjax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: To be fair to @phantom I think that both things can be true. The structure is basically as complicated as you want to say it is, and varies by experience. Compared to the corporate structure of a private equity or pension fund, it's simple. As simple as a skateboard is if compared to a jet fighter. But from a lay person's point of view it is more complicated than it needs to be and is daunting. There's also two structures really. There's the corporate ownership structure - the skeleton maybe. Then there's the commercial and contractual relationships between those companies - call that the muscles on top of those bones. Is it beyond the wit of £800 p/h lawyers and accountants? Absolutely not. Is it "simple"? No not really. In terms of it impacting a prospective investors decision it will probably put some off. Not because of the inherent complexity, but simply because unravelling or adapting it is more work than they can be bothered to do. But not all will be put off. I can't believe it would put off a serious investor willing to part with tens of millions. Maybe the odd time-waster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: I can't believe it would put off a serious investor willing to part with tens of millions. Maybe the odd time-waster... I don't think it will put off someone who actually gets started on some due diligence and has the cash. I agree with that. But there will be some who just want a football club and can't be arsed with the BS baggage. But they likely won't even pick up the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 1 Author Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: I can't believe it would put off a serious investor willing to part with tens of millions. Maybe the odd time-waster... Depends though. I assume if you’re buying Bears, you’re getting the brand, playing and coaching staff, existing liabilities and…well aren’t all enabling services provided by Bristol Sport? That’s a pretty hefty outlay without the benefit of experience with the brand to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Barrs Court Red said: Depends though. I assume if you’re buying Bears, you’re getting the brand, playing and coaching staff, existing liabilities and…well aren’t all enabling services provided by Bristol Sport? That’s a pretty hefty outlay without the benefit of experience with the brand to start with. Couple of options spring to mind... One is maybe a potential buyer wouldn't want the "brand experience" that Bristol Sport offers!! Second, the buyer demands those within BS with the Bears brand experience/knowledge are removed from BS and come under Bears umbrella. There's nothing that's insurmountable. Within reason it can be divvied up a multiple of ways, as long as buyer and seller are happy with the £££. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 On 01/02/2024 at 21:13, Barrs Court Red said: Depends though. I assume if you’re buying Bears, you’re getting the brand, playing and coaching staff, existing liabilities and…well aren’t all enabling services provided by Bristol Sport? That’s a pretty hefty outlay without the benefit of experience with the brand to start with. Some of the 'costs' in both Bears and City's accounts are exceptionally high. Given everything is owned via Pula which is the off shore company in the group, it's pretty obvious what is happening. The whole thing will have to be reformed if they are to sell any of it. It's structure is primarily about drawing profits in Guernsey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 7 Admin Report Share Posted March 7 Hooker Will Capon, prop George Kloska, centre James Williams and full-back Noah Heward are among nine Bristol players to sign new contracts. Lock Josh Caulfield, prop Sam Grahamslaw, lock Joe Owen and academy duo George Taylor and Harry Rowson have also agreed new deals. Capon, 24, is one of five Bristol-born players on the list and has amassed 84 appearances for the Bears. Kloska similarly came through the Bears academy and has played 44 games. "We're pleased to secure the futures of these nine players as we build our squad for the future," director of rugby Pat Lam said. "George Kloska and Will Capon are two Bristolian front row forwards who have already amassed 128 Premiership and European caps. "While both are very young in front row terms they continue to improve year on year and we're excited to see what they can both achieve." Versatile Heward, who can also play on the wing, and Williams signed in 2022. Caulfield and Grahamslaw joined the Bears in 2023 from London Irish and Championship side Jersey Reds respectively and have collectively made 30 appearances since. Owen, 22, originally signed on an academy contract and made his Premiership debut this season while lock Taylor and centre Rowson have featured in the Premiership Rugby Cup side. TAKEN FROM: Bristol Bears contracts: Will Capon and George Kloska among nine to sign new deals - BBC Sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) Listening to the game tonight, going well for Bears. 24-7 up to an understrength top of the table Saints. Still life in this season yet if they can go on a run. Edit: bollox try Saints Edited March 22 by Kid in the Riot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Ave it!Great win.Well deserved. You really never know what you are going to get from Bristol do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 That was fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 5 points separating 2nd and 8th now, though us and Leicester have played a game more than everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Great game. Think the break did us good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 13 hours ago, CyderInACan said: Great game. Think the break did us good! Get more coaching time in ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 13 hours ago, Slacker said: Ave it!Great win.Well deserved. You really never know what you are going to get from Bristol do you. Whereas with the City........................? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, slartibartfast said: Whereas with the City........................? I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head there Slarti. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Away at Kingsholm next Saturday. Not on live tv tho unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 A great game and atmosphere yesterday. Thoroughly enjoyable evenings entertainment. The Bristol Boys looked well up for it, everyone played superbly well. One suggestion though.....Why play The Wurzels 'Drink up thee Cider' at the end of the game, that's City's, should play 'Blackbird' as that's what the players sing, it is much more appropriate imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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