We shouldn’t sign Twine

[GBF]

Based on what I have seen but particularly today and assuming a transfer fee and higher than average wages in our squad I don’t think we should sign Twine. Today was the game he should have made a difference and he was one of our poorer players. This maybe unfair on him as he is returning from injury but I don’t think he is any more creative or better than the the existing alternatives in our squad

 

[GrahamC]

Clearly there will be a “transfer fee” Burnley paid £4m for him, they aren’t giving him away.

I think he’s done ok but certainly wouldn’t pay anything like the amount that’s being quoted.

Let’s see how the summer unfolds, my guess is he’ll start next season as our player, time will tell.

 

[Shauntaylor85]

Totally agree, don’t see what all the fuss is about. We don’t need a number 10 (what is this number 10 nonsense, call it a creative attacking midfielder, an 8 like KDB and Odegaard/Fernandez, they are not 10’s. We need a player to play at the top of a midfield three and then two pacy wide men with a powerful striker. 

[Silvio Dante]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Clearly there will be a “transfer fee” Burnley paid £4m for him, they aren’t giving him away.

I think he’s done ok but certainly wouldn’t pay anything like the amount that’s being quoted.

Let’s see how the summer unfolds, my guess is he’ll start next season as our player, time will tell.

 

As I said on another thread, it’d be madness if he was and would have serious vibes of Kasey Palmer. We’ve seen what he can do and he’s gone from peripheral in prior games to today being uninterested in putting any work in. 
 

Palmer was signed despite a poor loan spell at great expense because LJ overestimated both Kaseys importance and Lees own ability to get stuff out of him. If you’re charitable, it could be argued that he had the Afobe linkup in mind but that was more happy accident.

It seems to me (and I don’t think LM is LJ as some do), in this case for Lee read Liam and for Kasey read Scott

To reiterate the point, we’re looking at a player who had a fantastic season at a lower level 2 years ago and has not proven himself at this level, in addition to having two injury spells. We’ve seen him for us and not one person thinks he’s a must buy. Even at £2m, with the takeover of Burnley wages, it’s not a cheap deal and I’m not convinced he’s worth that.

Not a deal we should do and would smack of a vanity project based on the evidence to date.

 

[mozo]

Hmm...tricky one. He's not played well. You can tell he's trying to impress, but mostly things aren't coming off for him. 

I think the big question is, is what we've seen so far Twine at his best? I'm guessing we will sign him if we are confident that he just hasn't reached top gear yet. 

Manning should know what Twine is capable of.

[Ashtongreight]

Personally so far I can’t see he’s done anywhere near enough to warrant spending that kind of money. £2m I could see the case £4m no, we don’t have that kind of money anymore.

[Jeez]

16 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

As I said on another thread, it’d be madness if he was and would have serious vibes of Kasey Palmer. We’ve seen what he can do and he’s gone from peripheral in prior games to today being uninterested in putting any work in. 
 

Palmer was signed despite a poor loan spell at great expense because LJ overestimated both Kaseys importance and Lees own ability to get stuff out of him. If you’re charitable, it could be argued that he had the Afobe linkup in mind but that was more happy accident.

It seems to me (and I don’t think LM is LJ as some do), in this case for Lee read Liam and for Kasey read Scott

To reiterate the point, we’re looking at a player who had a fantastic season at a lower level 2 years ago and has not proven himself at this level, in addition to having two injury spells. We’ve seen him for us and not one person thinks he’s a must buy. Even at £2m, with the takeover of Burnley wages, it’s not a cheap deal and I’m not convinced he’s worth that.

Not a deal we should do and would smack of a vanity project based on the evidence to date.

 

Nothing like Kasey palmer to me.

We’ve been better with Twine than without.

[Silvio Dante]

3 minutes ago, mozo said:

Hmm...tricky one. He's not played well. You can tell he's trying to impress, but mostly things aren't coming off for him. 

I think the big question is, is what we've seen so far Twine at his best? I'm guessing we will sign him if we are confident that he just hasn't reached top gear yet. 

Manning should know what Twine is capable of.

Rider to your last sentence….at league one level

You have to remember that Hull were Ok with letting him go at this level, and that Burnley he wasn’t fantastic for. At this level, across three teams, he’s been nothing more than “OK”.

I’d absolutely trust Liams judgement in him at league one level. But if we take Mehmeti as a case in point, a player that Liam (correctly) thinks can do it at league one has been sketchy at best at the higher level.

It might be that how he’s played is just how good he is at this level. It happens.

[Davefevs]

22 minutes ago, mozo said:

Manning should know what Twine is capable of.

@Silvio Dante beat me to it, whilst I was watching the golf.

[Dr Balls]

The more I see the less convinced I am about Twine. Best performance was his first game against Watford when he scored. Since then it’s been diminishing returns and today he veered between anonymous in the first half to dreadful in the second. Are we more creative with him in the team? No. If anything in the same position, Mehmeti has looked better than him recently, which hardly suggests Twine is going to take us to the next level.

Against all that though, is a shared history with Manning, so the likelihood is that he will want to sign Twine permanently whatever anyone us might think.

[mightyreds89]

I’m not even sure we’ve played him in his best position yet? Also since he’s returned our form has been better maybe a coincidence. 

[Swede]

Actually today, in a tight game you could see a value. He popped up many times in good positions, in between the lines. These fine margins could be the difference between winning and losing. This is what I think Manning sees. He's a very intelligent player always thinking on the front foot. Unfortunately for him I don't think he affects enough of what we need in a game. This is down to his slight physique & perceived lack of pace. So he's never going to out pace or out muscle a defender.

He is never worth £4M, I would say more like less than half of that.

[Silvio Dante]

42 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

The more I see the less convinced I am about Twine. Best performance was his first game against Watford when he scored. Since then it’s been diminishing returns and today he veered between anonymous in the first half to dreadful in the second. Are we more creative with him in the team? No. If anything in the same position, Mehmeti has looked better than him recently, which hardly suggests Twine is going to take us to the next level.

Against all that though, is a shared history with Manning, so the likelihood is that he will want to sign Twine permanently whatever anyone us might think.

It’s interesting you bring the Watford game up. What sticks out for me from that game was twofold - the dead ball entry being superb but the open play being shocking (it was about 50% pass completion). At the time I put it down to not being on the same wavelength as the team but he’s still not a massive creative force. And at this level, you can’t have a “special teams” player

34 minutes ago, mightyreds89 said:

I’m not even sure we’ve played him in his best position yet? Also since he’s returned our form has been better maybe a coincidence. 

As I’ve said a few times, correlation doesn’t equal causation. Leicester sticks out - we were better when Sykes came on for Twine and Sykes set the goal up.

And in respect of best position, I think Liam rejigged the side to deliver that. Remember he was wide left at Hull, and that Liam only likes one up top. I’m not sure him playing behind the striker isn’t his “best position” - which only adds to my doubts!

[Malago]

I’d like to see him start as a No 10 before making a judgement.

[bearded_red]

He might be really good if he could stand up for five minutes at a time, unfortunately any time anyone goes near him he pathetically falls over.

[phantom]

2 hours ago, Nescot said:

Twine is worth every penny anything 4mil or under sign.

Based on what? 

He's been injured for the majority of his loan spell and has rarely had an impact during his minutes on the pitch 

[Simon bristol]

3 hours ago, phantom said:

Based on what? 

He's been injured for the majority of his loan spell and has rarely had an impact during his minutes on the pitch 

I figure his biggest impact is allowing knight to play in his best position, which makes us stronger in midfield. Injuries have done him in this loan spell, what i hoped was a key signing has fallen flat.

[cidered abroad]

7 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

As I said on another thread, it’d be madness if he was and would have serious vibes of Kasey Palmer. We’ve seen what he can do and he’s gone from peripheral in prior games to today being uninterested in putting any work in. 
 

Palmer was signed despite a poor loan spell at great expense because LJ overestimated both Kaseys importance and Lees own ability to get stuff out of him. If you’re charitable, it could be argued that he had the Afobe linkup in mind but that was more happy accident.

It seems to me (and I don’t think LM is LJ as some do), in this case for Lee read Liam and for Kasey read Scott

To reiterate the point, we’re looking at a player who had a fantastic season at a lower level 2 years ago and has not proven himself at this level, in addition to having two injury spells. We’ve seen him for us and not one person thinks he’s a must buy. Even at £2m, with the takeover of Burnley wages, it’s not a cheap deal and I’m not convinced he’s worth that.

Not a deal we should do and would smack of a vanity project based on the evidence to date.

 

Complete agreement.

[NewquayRed]

9 minutes ago, mason said:

We wont pay enough to sign Twine perm and if the last transfer window is anything to go by we will bring in a cheap striker from abroad we have never heard of and not play him/or he will be injured pre season.

All this while accepting any offer for any of our players, this will turn next season from mediocre to poor and desperate, most will still hang on to hope till xmas at least however.

Our owner will not make enough investment to push us on just the min to keep us ticking over.......so predictable.

Agreed, this is where my expectations are also. Burnley look likely to come down anyway so can’t see Twine going anywhere (bit like us really).

Edited April 14 by NewquayRed

[Engvall’s Splinter]

7 hours ago, Nescot said:

Twine is worth every penny anything 4mil or under sign.

Thank god you aren’t holding the purse strings. 
 

We’d never get him for the 750k gamble I think he’s worth. A further season loan (which is probably unlikely) or we move on. 

[Silvio Dante]

Just another quick thing to add into the mix - the accepted wisdom appears to be that Burnley will want to retain him if they go down. I’d suggest that performance this season in particular would mean that isn’t a sure thing - if we’re doubting if he’s good enough for us as a middling table team, then he certainly won’t be good enough for a top six side.

I think likelihood is that he’s available come what may in the summer. And that makes it all the more important, from evidence to date, that we don’t jump into a deal.

[Robbored]

Personally I haven’t seen enough of Twine to pass judgement as yet - he’s been out injured and played very few times - what is now 3 starts? ………….

Edited April 14 by Robbored

[formerly known as ivan]

With the season fizzling out as early as it did, it annoys me are even giving Twine game time. I know we would have paid a fee and wages but he has missed a majority of games since joining us anyway. Surely there is more value in giving our youngsters a glimpse of championship football at this stage? Minutes of football now could be vital to their development.

[Silvio Dante]

7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Personally I haven’t seen enough of Twine to pass judgement as yet - he’s been out injured and played very few times - what is now 3 starts? ………….

Six. Watford, Leicester, Plymouth, Sunderland, Blackburn, Huddersfield. I can understand getting it wrong by a game but being 100% out is a bit disturbing..!

And I know that we are undefeated in those six, so I’ll tap my “correlation doesn’t equal causation” sign again.

[Fuber]

7 hours ago, Nescot said:

Twine is worth every penny anything 4mil or under sign.

No.

Highlighted yesterday was the fact we have no real threat in behind - I.e. completely lack of pace. Even our options off the bench (Cornick, Mehmeti) fail to help in this regard.

Twine is no better than the latter on current showing, on double the wages, and four times the fee. First half, if he was Cornick and losing the ball that often, he'd be crucified on here.

[GrahamC]

10 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Just another quick thing to add into the mix - the accepted wisdom appears to be that Burnley will want to retain him if they go down. I’d suggest that performance this season in particular would mean that isn’t a sure thing - if we’re doubting if he’s good enough for us as a middling table team, then he certainly won’t be good enough for a top six side.

I think likelihood is that he’s available come what may in the summer. And that makes it all the more important, from evidence to date, that we don’t jump into a deal.

Agree.

Think the argument they’ll be looking to keep him appears to be based on the first half of the season at Hull where he did pretty well.

As an aside I don’t think Hull particularly wanted him to go in January but the injection of funds then that enabled them to sign Carvalho, Zaroury & Giles meant he wasn’t going to be a regular.

The reason I don’t get Kasey Palmer vibes if he signs is because basically as I expect our business to be on a small scale, a 10, a striker, a reserve keeper & then only further deals if the likes of Conway or Cornick move on.

This means he (or the 10 we sign if he doesn’t join) wouldn’t be in a Szmodics, Paterson log jam for a place, we’d be effectively betting the farm on them.

My view is if Manning wants him (my hunch is he does) we make an offer & if Burnley want anything like what’s been quoted, we move on & look elsewhere.

[Dr Balls]

38 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Agree.

Think the argument they’ll be looking to keep him appears to be based on the first half of the season at Hull where he did pretty well.

As an aside I don’t think Hull particularly wanted him to go in January but the injection of funds then that enabled them to sign Carvalho, Zaroury & Giles meant he wasn’t going to be a regular.

The reason I don’t get Kasey Palmer vibes if he signs is because basically as I expect our business to be on a small scale, a 10, a striker, a reserve keeper & then only further deals if the likes of Conway or Cornick move on.

This means he (or the 10 we sign if he doesn’t join) wouldn’t be in a Szmodics, Paterson log jam for a place, we’d be effectively betting the farm on them.

My view is if Manning wants him (my hunch is he does) we make an offer & if Burnley want anything like what’s been quoted, we move on & look elsewhere.

Funny you should mention Paterson, because I would suggest that he’s a better player than Twine even now. Not that I would be looking to get him back either. The point being that there are better players with a greater Championship pedigree out there than Twine, who probably wouldn’t cost more in fees or wages. The advantage Twine has is that Manning clearly likes him and trusts him, evidenced by despite yesterday’s shocker, he wasn’t subbed off.

[1960maaan]

Not sure what their finances are like , when they came down last time there were lost of rumours they were in trouble.  If they don't want him and need money to reinvest maybe they will drop the fee a little, in contract until 2026 so they have a little time to think . IMO the best deal would be a season loan , even then I would want them to pick up a % of his wage. 
The best thing he's done is allow Knight to drop into his best position , even that isn't every game.

[CityCiderEd]

I know he's had injury problems but when he came back into the team I was expecting a lot more than he's delivered. Unless he's available for under a million/loan I'd be looking elsewhere. Gardner-Hickman delivers a set piece ball just as good, so not sure his signing brings us anything 'extra'.

[Robbored]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Six. Watford, Leicester, Plymouth, Sunderland, Blackburn, Huddersfield. I can understand getting it wrong by a game but being 100% out is a bit disturbing..!

And I know that we are undefeated in those six, so I’ll tap my “correlation doesn’t equal causation” sign again.

Three of those matches I didn’t actually see live. That means I’ve seen him play live just three times and stand my opinion that I’ve not seen enough of him yet to form an opinion.

[Leveller]

As was pointed out in the match day thread, Rudoni looked stronger, more dynamic and generally more effective than Twine on the day. It’s quite possible he’ll be available as an alternative and probably cheaper.

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Leveller said:

As was pointed out in the match day thread, Rudoni looked stronger, more dynamic and generally more effective than Twine on the day. It’s quite possible he’ll be available as an alternative and probably cheaper.

Agreed. The fact is that Twine isn’t the only player out there that can do the job - this is why I hold no stock in the argument that him being in has allowed Knight to drop back. Any player being played in that position allows the Knight move and I’d think there are better options, based on what we’ve seen, than Twine.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

At current performance levels it would be madness to sign him (so we probably will). Injuries and lack of game time in the past couple of seasons indicate a player in decline and I think there are better options to be had. 

[winsaw]

I definitely think we should sign Twine he's exactly the sort of creative player we been missing for years, 

He's not fully fit at the moment so not really fair to judge him be better to look what he did at Hull when fully fit in first half of the season to see what a player he could be for us,

If we can get him for 3.5m then I think that would be very good business could build the side art him for next season

[Numero Uno]

If I was making up my mind on yesterday alone I wouldn’t take him on a free. However it’s not as cut and dried as that…..

[Jeez]

This thread typifies the weirdness of following city.

Everyone is crying out for progress but at same time lots are poo pooing a player like Twine who is arguably the minimum level throughout the squad / 1st 11 you need you win promotion.

Bear in mind that we generally struggle to attract players  (see Azzaz transfer etc)

There’s a chance we can land Twine due to the Manning connection but here the consensus is he’s not good enough for City. 

Who should we go after & why would they sign for us?

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, Jeez said:

This thread typifies the weirdness of following city.

Everyone is crying out for progress but at same time lots are poo pooing a player like Twine who is arguably the minimum level throughout the squad / 1st 11 you need you win promotion.

Bear in mind that we generally struggle to attract players  (see Azzaz transfer etc)

There’s a chance we can land Twine due to the Manning connection but here the consensus is he’s not good enough for City. 

Who should we go after & why would they sign for us?

As always, depends on the fee. If Bristol City spend £3m plus on a player they have to deliver end of. We don’t have the money to take £3m punts. I wouldn’t judge him solely on yesterday though because they were all below par except Max and Tanner.

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

I think you have to be more brutal,

• He's not stood out.
• He's done ok, but he's not a marked improvement.

Given that he's likely to command a high wage and a significant fee.  It should be a no!  

[Davefevs]

36 minutes ago, winsaw said:

I definitely think we should sign Twine he's exactly the sort of creative player we been missing for years, 

He's not fully fit at the moment so not really fair to judge him be better to look what he did at Hull when fully fit in first half of the season to see what a player he could be for us,

If we can get him for 3.5m then I think that would be very good business could build the side art him for next season

I don’t think Hull were hugely impressed, hence why they looked to strengthen if there was a chance for Burnley to recall him.  I think at this level from watching him at Burnley, Hull and more closely with us, he’s a player that is more suited to a “team” with better players around him than himself.  I don’t see him being able to lift Bristol City.

So, imho, it’s about fit (not fitness!) with Bristol City, and I don’t think he’s a great fit.  He’s too lightweight for what we need.  Going OTT he’s too much of a luxury for his set-pieces.  And in Bird, TGH and even Roberts, the difference he’d make on set-pieces doesn’t warrant signing him.  We should not be building a team around one player!  That is foolhardy.  Nor one player, still unproven, who’ll be 25 by the time the season starts.

So I wouldn’t sign him, whatever the fee is, because of the above and the wages will be top end too.

20 minutes ago, Jeez said:

This thread typifies the weirdness of following city.

Everyone is crying out for progress but at same time lots are poo pooing a player like Twine who is arguably the minimum level throughout the squad / 1st 11 you need you win promotion.

Bear in mind that we generally struggle to attract players  (see Azzaz transfer etc)

There’s a chance we can land Twine due to the Manning connection but here the consensus is he’s not good enough for City. 

Who should we go after & why would they sign for us?

Is he?  He’s been on the periphery in pretty much every game.

I would’ve loved us to sign Twine 3 years ago for near bugger-all as a punt.  But I don’t want us to pay £x million for a player who looks like he doesn’t fit.  If there is one positive from this loan, it’s that it’s told us who we don’t want.

That is down to the imagination of the Recruitment process.  We attracted Dickie, Knight, Bird, Roberts, etc, so it’s not Mission Impossible to sign players better than we have.

[Davefevs]

To add, this isn’t a case of “Don’t sign Twine, he’s league one at best, look at his goals per game on Wikipedia”.

We've actually got to see him in the flesh, for Bristol City.

[marcofisher]

I expect Burnley to come down and probably look to get value from him on the pitch rather than sell him.

Edited April 14 by marcofisher

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That is down to the imagination of the Recruitment process.  We attracted Dickie, Knight, Bird, Roberts, etc, so it’s not Mission Impossible to sign players better than we have.

The other thing I would add is our recruitment has been good in bringing in decent players, what we also have is a bunch of raw players with plenty of potential that are in or around the first team that the academy is developing combined with a couple of development punts Stokes and Murphy.  So we don't need nearly there signings blocking their pathway, they need to stand out and lift the side.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

The other thing I would add is our recruitment has been good in bringing in decent players, what we also have is a bunch of raw players with plenty of potential that are in or around the first team that the academy is developing combined with a couple of development punts Stokes and Murphy.  So we don't need nearly there signings blocking their pathway, they need to stand out and lift the side.

Yeah, as I ve said before the focus has to be the 9 and 10, and everything else is “reaction” (wrong word) to any players that leave.

[redkev]

Talking of players we should sign I’m not sure what deal he’s on and has taken a while to settle due to injury etc I have been very impressed with Haydn Roberts class act from what I’ve seen recently, him & Tanner ( who I have criticised) have been excellent as has Dickie 

[Davefevs]

9 minutes ago, redkev said:

Talking of players we should sign I’m not sure what deal he’s on and has taken a while to settle due to injury etc I have been very impressed with Haydn Roberts class act from what I’ve seen recently, him & Tanner ( who I have criticised) have been excellent as has Dickie 

Roberts and Tanner both contracted to 2026, no option mentioned at signing

[mozo]

14 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Rider to your last sentence….at league one level

You have to remember that Hull were Ok with letting him go at this level, and that Burnley he wasn’t fantastic for. At this level, across three teams, he’s been nothing more than “OK”.

I’d absolutely trust Liams judgement in him at league one level. But if we take Mehmeti as a case in point, a player that Liam (correctly) thinks can do it at league one has been sketchy at best at the higher level.

It might be that how he’s played is just how good he is at this level. It happens.

 

14 hours ago, Davefevs said:

@Silvio Dante beat me to it, whilst I was watching the golf.

Yeah absolutely, I'm thinking that Manning should have a good idea if Twine is too good for L1 and capable of high end Champ. 

I'll be the first to criticise if we sign him and Twine turns out to be not worth the investment. 

[BigRobsBiggestFan]

13 hours ago, bearded_red said:

He might be really good if he could stand up for five minutes at a time, unfortunately any time anyone goes near him he pathetically falls over.

My 10 year old son says the same, he either goes down or spends his time shouting and complaining at the ref

[ashton_fan]

I like the fact he always tries to pass the ball forward, perhaps that's why his pass completion rate isn't that special. Also our poor run of results happened while he was injured, we haven't lost a game when he's started. He shouldn't be judged on yesterday where the whole team was out of balance due to our makeshift defence lacking a specialist CB.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Not mad keen on signing Twine especially not if the stayed price tag.

A couple of favourable bits though..I've checked a few numbers.

1) League- Hull. Adjusted for non Penalty goals, 25 Games- 3 Goals, 3 Assists. That is okay..add in 1 Penalty. 0.24 and 0.28 G/A per game.

2) For us in the 5 since he returned he won 3.2 Fouls per game. Scott was good at that, can assist with building pressure or easing it depending on which half.

Otoh he was out for 2 months, 1 Goal, no Assist for us..seems risky.

If the price is right consider it, if not then look elsewhere.

Edited April 14 by Mr Popodopolous

[Dredd]

I'd take him for a million, that isn't going to happen. His set piece delivery is good, we might reap the benefits a bit more with Dickie/Atkinson in the side but from open play there's been nothing spectacular for me

[And Its Smith]

There was a lot of opposition to this loan but I think it has worked well as it has shown that he isn’t exactly what we need and we now know that the £4m that Burnley allegedly want is too much 

[Admiral Blake]

He is returning from injury and City are unbeaten when he's played. I doubt Burnley would see him as a starter next season so at the right price he would be a decent fit.

[wendyredredrobin]

Might take him on a 1 year contract as a free transfer at 15k per week, but neither Burnley or Twine will accept that, so it's bye bye at the end of the season I think unless we are in the market to waste our money.

If we have seen what he can do whilst playing for a contract, I can't imagine we would see anything better having signed one.

[Loosey Boy]

Was saying to @Davefevs earlier that I’d sign him if the money was right (£2.5m)

I think that it’s fair to say that we are yet to see the best of him but he’s shown for us (& more so at Hull) that he’s more than capable at this level

I don’t think we’d get much better for the money, unless we take a risk with someone from abroad.

[Offside]

Based on what I’ve seen of him I’m not convinced, especially for what would presumably be a significant outlay (even just wages). He has seemed lightweight and mainly peripheral in games. Yes he was out for a while injured and might have struggled with match fitness, but he hasn’t made the impact I was hoping for. 

[HengroveReds]

Personally think since Twine has played, Conway playing with a lot more confidence and impacting the game. May seem lightweight but puts himself about, and has an eye for a killer pass! I rate him, he’s only going to get better too at only 24. 
 

We could have a world beater and we’d still complain.

[Back of the Dolman]

5 hours ago, marcofisher said:

I expect Burnley to come down and probably look to get value from him on the pitch rather than sell him.

I wonder if Burnley come down whether they might offer Twine in return for Tommy

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, ashton_fan said:

I like the fact he always tries to pass the ball forward, perhaps that's why his pass completion rate isn't that special. Also our poor run of results happened while he was injured, we haven't lost a game when he's started. He shouldn't be judged on yesterday where the whole team was out of balance due to our makeshift defence lacking a specialist CB.

FWIW I’ve not looked at any stats for Twine, what I’ve seen with my eyes is enough.  I think suggesting Twine is behind our results, and him being out behind the losses is a big reach (my opinion).  Against Leicester he wasn’t on the pitch when we scored for example.  I’m not convinced his inability to retain the ball under challenge is much to do with a makeshift defence.  I’m not sure what the reason was for his other peripheral performances have been.

Who knows, maybe he has a storming final 3 games, but I’ve been hugely underwhelmed so far.  

Sorry to be so down on this one.  I was really excited to see him in a City shirt having thought we missed out on him previously.

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

There was a lot of opposition to this loan but I think it has worked well as it has shown that he isn’t exactly what we need and we now know that the £4m that Burnley allegedly want is too much 

I agree to a very small extent….But It cost us to find out.  I don’t expect recruitment to nail it every time, but I’d hope it wouldn’t always take a loan (with loan fee and wages) to find out.  Ditto Mebude.

I still think we will try to get him too.  I bloody hope not though.

26 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

I wonder if Burnley come down whether they might offer Twine in return for Tommy

They’d have to give us some £millions too imho!

Edited April 14 by Davefevs

[NcnsBcfc]

I do wonder whether we are seeing a 80% fit Twine at the moment?

A few times he's got into shooting positions and not been able to either generate the power/accuracy that he has demonstrated in his career. 

Obviously had his injury issues at Burnley as well and although only still 24, he does look a player who is "prone" to Injuries unfortunately.

That said, teams are aware of Twine and having him on the pitch opens up space for other City players. So from a team perspective having him back has been a positive (results wise of course over the last few weeks).

When talking of transfer fees, McCrorie's fee at the moment looks a bit heavy based on the skillset he has demonstrated so far.

Let's see what a pre season does for him, but unless we are able to get him for £2.5-3m I would pass. We would also need to bring in a number of players next season to allow us not to rely on a "fragile" player.

[LondonBristolian]

6 hours ago, marcofisher said:

I expect Burnley to come down and probably look to get value from him on the pitch rather than sell him.

The only thing is that he’s maybe not done what they hoped he would with either Hull or with us. I wonder if that will shift their expectations of what impact he could have for them next season.

[And Its Smith]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

FWIW I’ve not looked at any stats for Twine, what I’ve seen with my eyes is enough.  I think suggesting Twine is behind our results, and him being out behind the losses is a big reach (my opinion).  Against Leicester he wasn’t on the pitch when we scored for example.  I’m not convinced his inability to retain the ball under challenge is much to do with a makeshift defence.  I’m not sure what the reason was for his other peripheral performances have been.

Who knows, maybe he has a storming final 3 games, but I’ve been hugely underwhelmed so far.  

Sorry to be so down on this one.  I was really excited to see him in a City shirt having thought we missed out on him previously.

I agree to a very small extent….But It cost us to find out.  I don’t expect recruitment to nail it every time, but I’d hope it wouldn’t always take a loan (with loan fee and wages) to find out.  Ditto Mebude.

I still think we will try to get him too.  I bloody hope not though.

They’d have to give us some £millions too imho!

I’d rather spend a bit to find out if we should spend a lot

[TDarwall]

I'm a no at this stage - just not seen enough from him. I often complain that we don't seem as athletic/dynamic as other teams, with only Pring, Knight & Sykes being strong in that area. Twine is another who is neither quick nor powerful.

I do wonder if he is one of those that looks great at the lower leagues where its easier go find space but just doesn't have ebought about him to have a massive impact at this level. 

[Back of the Dolman]

27 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

FWIW I’ve not looked at any stats for Twine, what I’ve seen with my eyes is enough.  I think suggesting Twine is behind our results, and him being out behind the losses is a big reach (my opinion).  Against Leicester he wasn’t on the pitch when we scored for example.  I’m not convinced his inability to retain the ball under challenge is much to do with a makeshift defence.  I’m not sure what the reason was for his other peripheral performances have been.

Who knows, maybe he has a storming final 3 games, but I’ve been hugely underwhelmed so far.  

Sorry to be so down on this one.  I was really excited to see him in a City shirt having thought we missed out on him previously.

I agree to a very small extent….But It cost us to find out.  I don’t expect recruitment to nail it every time, but I’d hope it wouldn’t always take a loan (with loan fee and wages) to find out.  Ditto Mebude.

I still think we will try to get him too.  I bloody hope not though.

They’d have to give us some £millions too imho!

I think Tommy would do well there with the number of chances they’re likely to create next season if they do come down 

[The Constant Rabbit]

Yes - if we can arrange a performance based deal.

1.5 mil

 

500K upfront + 2 further installments on agreed milestones.

[BCFC31]

On 13/04/2024 at 21:00, GBF said:

Based on what I have seen but particularly today and assuming a transfer fee and higher than average wages in our squad I don’t think we should sign Twine. Today was the game he should have made a difference and he was one of our poorer players. This maybe unfair on him as he is returning from injury but I don’t think he is any more creative or better than the the existing alternatives in our squad

 

What annoys me is burnley are trying to inflict their blunder onto us by asking for the same free they paid mk dons for him yet its clear he is just an average championship player anyone who pays anywhere near the asking price of 5m for him is insane 

Edited April 14 by BCFC31

[Major Isewater]

I haven’t seen him but I am not convinced.

 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

19 hours ago, redkev said:

Talking of players we should sign I’m not sure what deal he’s on and has taken a while to settle due to injury etc I have been very impressed with Haydn Roberts class act from what I’ve seen recently, him & Tanner ( who I have criticised) have been excellent as has Dickie 

 

19 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Roberts and Tanner both contracted to 2026, no option mentioned at signing

 

Haydon Roberts has been outstanding in some games.  He's got an eye for turning defensive play into offensive play which is a massive asset.  And he's got a wicked pass on him.  He really makes me want us to play a back three so we can accommodate all our decent CB.  But I also like a good back four setup as well.

I think Naismith can push into midfield but he's got frustrating availability. He's got so many good attacking attributes, but he's fragile now which is unlucky.

[supercidered]

On 13/04/2024 at 23:31, Nescot said:

Twine is worth every penny anything 4mil or under sign.

Such a shame there isn't a Bellend emoji.

[Back of the Dolman]

6 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

 

 

Haydon Roberts has been outstanding in some games.  He's got an eye for turning defensive play into offensive play which is a massive asset.  And he's got a wicked pass on him.  He really makes me want us to play a back three so we can accommodate all our decent CB.  But I also like a good back four setup as well.

I think Naismith can push into midfield but he's got frustrating availability. He's got so many good attacking attributes, but he's fragile now which is unlucky.

I’d say there’s potential for Roberts to push into that Naismith role you suggest.

He's comfortable on the ball and can see a pass but he also has the ability to shield the defence with his defensive abilities 

[Clutton Caveman]

On 13/04/2024 at 21:43, GrahamC said:

Clearly there will be a “transfer fee” Burnley paid £4m for him, they aren’t giving him away.

I think he’s done ok but certainly wouldn’t pay anything like the amount that’s being quoted.

Let’s see how the summer unfolds, my guess is he’ll start next season as our player, time will tell.

 

Spends too much energy moaning to the ref for my liking