We shouldn’t sign Twine

[CityCiderEd]

I know he's had injury problems but when he came back into the team I was expecting a lot more than he's delivered. Unless he's available for under a million/loan I'd be looking elsewhere. Gardner-Hickman delivers a set piece ball just as good, so not sure his signing brings us anything 'extra'.

[Robbored]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Six. Watford, Leicester, Plymouth, Sunderland, Blackburn, Huddersfield. I can understand getting it wrong by a game but being 100% out is a bit disturbing..!

And I know that we are undefeated in those six, so I’ll tap my “correlation doesn’t equal causation” sign again.

Three of those matches I didn’t actually see live. That means I’ve seen him play live just three times and stand my opinion that I’ve not seen enough of him yet to form an opinion.

[Leveller]

As was pointed out in the match day thread, Rudoni looked stronger, more dynamic and generally more effective than Twine on the day. It’s quite possible he’ll be available as an alternative and probably cheaper.

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Leveller said:

As was pointed out in the match day thread, Rudoni looked stronger, more dynamic and generally more effective than Twine on the day. It’s quite possible he’ll be available as an alternative and probably cheaper.

Agreed. The fact is that Twine isn’t the only player out there that can do the job - this is why I hold no stock in the argument that him being in has allowed Knight to drop back. Any player being played in that position allows the Knight move and I’d think there are better options, based on what we’ve seen, than Twine.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

At current performance levels it would be madness to sign him (so we probably will). Injuries and lack of game time in the past couple of seasons indicate a player in decline and I think there are better options to be had. 

[winsaw]

I definitely think we should sign Twine he's exactly the sort of creative player we been missing for years, 

He's not fully fit at the moment so not really fair to judge him be better to look what he did at Hull when fully fit in first half of the season to see what a player he could be for us,

If we can get him for 3.5m then I think that would be very good business could build the side art him for next season

[Numero Uno]

If I was making up my mind on yesterday alone I wouldn’t take him on a free. However it’s not as cut and dried as that…..

[Jeez]

This thread typifies the weirdness of following city.

Everyone is crying out for progress but at same time lots are poo pooing a player like Twine who is arguably the minimum level throughout the squad / 1st 11 you need you win promotion.

Bear in mind that we generally struggle to attract players  (see Azzaz transfer etc)

There’s a chance we can land Twine due to the Manning connection but here the consensus is he’s not good enough for City. 

Who should we go after & why would they sign for us?

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, Jeez said:

This thread typifies the weirdness of following city.

Everyone is crying out for progress but at same time lots are poo pooing a player like Twine who is arguably the minimum level throughout the squad / 1st 11 you need you win promotion.

Bear in mind that we generally struggle to attract players  (see Azzaz transfer etc)

There’s a chance we can land Twine due to the Manning connection but here the consensus is he’s not good enough for City. 

Who should we go after & why would they sign for us?

As always, depends on the fee. If Bristol City spend £3m plus on a player they have to deliver end of. We don’t have the money to take £3m punts. I wouldn’t judge him solely on yesterday though because they were all below par except Max and Tanner.

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

I think you have to be more brutal,

• He's not stood out.
• He's done ok, but he's not a marked improvement.

Given that he's likely to command a high wage and a significant fee.  It should be a no!  

[Davefevs]

36 minutes ago, winsaw said:

I definitely think we should sign Twine he's exactly the sort of creative player we been missing for years, 

He's not fully fit at the moment so not really fair to judge him be better to look what he did at Hull when fully fit in first half of the season to see what a player he could be for us,

If we can get him for 3.5m then I think that would be very good business could build the side art him for next season

I don’t think Hull were hugely impressed, hence why they looked to strengthen if there was a chance for Burnley to recall him.  I think at this level from watching him at Burnley, Hull and more closely with us, he’s a player that is more suited to a “team” with better players around him than himself.  I don’t see him being able to lift Bristol City.

So, imho, it’s about fit (not fitness!) with Bristol City, and I don’t think he’s a great fit.  He’s too lightweight for what we need.  Going OTT he’s too much of a luxury for his set-pieces.  And in Bird, TGH and even Roberts, the difference he’d make on set-pieces doesn’t warrant signing him.  We should not be building a team around one player!  That is foolhardy.  Nor one player, still unproven, who’ll be 25 by the time the season starts.

So I wouldn’t sign him, whatever the fee is, because of the above and the wages will be top end too.

20 minutes ago, Jeez said:

This thread typifies the weirdness of following city.

Everyone is crying out for progress but at same time lots are poo pooing a player like Twine who is arguably the minimum level throughout the squad / 1st 11 you need you win promotion.

Bear in mind that we generally struggle to attract players  (see Azzaz transfer etc)

There’s a chance we can land Twine due to the Manning connection but here the consensus is he’s not good enough for City. 

Who should we go after & why would they sign for us?

Is he?  He’s been on the periphery in pretty much every game.

I would’ve loved us to sign Twine 3 years ago for near bugger-all as a punt.  But I don’t want us to pay £x million for a player who looks like he doesn’t fit.  If there is one positive from this loan, it’s that it’s told us who we don’t want.

That is down to the imagination of the Recruitment process.  We attracted Dickie, Knight, Bird, Roberts, etc, so it’s not Mission Impossible to sign players better than we have.

[Davefevs]

To add, this isn’t a case of “Don’t sign Twine, he’s league one at best, look at his goals per game on Wikipedia”.

We've actually got to see him in the flesh, for Bristol City.

[marcofisher]

I expect Burnley to come down and probably look to get value from him on the pitch rather than sell him.

Edited April 14 by marcofisher

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That is down to the imagination of the Recruitment process.  We attracted Dickie, Knight, Bird, Roberts, etc, so it’s not Mission Impossible to sign players better than we have.

The other thing I would add is our recruitment has been good in bringing in decent players, what we also have is a bunch of raw players with plenty of potential that are in or around the first team that the academy is developing combined with a couple of development punts Stokes and Murphy.  So we don't need nearly there signings blocking their pathway, they need to stand out and lift the side.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

The other thing I would add is our recruitment has been good in bringing in decent players, what we also have is a bunch of raw players with plenty of potential that are in or around the first team that the academy is developing combined with a couple of development punts Stokes and Murphy.  So we don't need nearly there signings blocking their pathway, they need to stand out and lift the side.

Yeah, as I ve said before the focus has to be the 9 and 10, and everything else is “reaction” (wrong word) to any players that leave.

[redkev]

Talking of players we should sign I’m not sure what deal he’s on and has taken a while to settle due to injury etc I have been very impressed with Haydn Roberts class act from what I’ve seen recently, him & Tanner ( who I have criticised) have been excellent as has Dickie 

[Davefevs]

9 minutes ago, redkev said:

Talking of players we should sign I’m not sure what deal he’s on and has taken a while to settle due to injury etc I have been very impressed with Haydn Roberts class act from what I’ve seen recently, him & Tanner ( who I have criticised) have been excellent as has Dickie 

Roberts and Tanner both contracted to 2026, no option mentioned at signing

[mozo]

14 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Rider to your last sentence….at league one level

You have to remember that Hull were Ok with letting him go at this level, and that Burnley he wasn’t fantastic for. At this level, across three teams, he’s been nothing more than “OK”.

I’d absolutely trust Liams judgement in him at league one level. But if we take Mehmeti as a case in point, a player that Liam (correctly) thinks can do it at league one has been sketchy at best at the higher level.

It might be that how he’s played is just how good he is at this level. It happens.

 

14 hours ago, Davefevs said:

@Silvio Dante beat me to it, whilst I was watching the golf.

Yeah absolutely, I'm thinking that Manning should have a good idea if Twine is too good for L1 and capable of high end Champ. 

I'll be the first to criticise if we sign him and Twine turns out to be not worth the investment. 

[BigRobsBiggestFan]

13 hours ago, bearded_red said:

He might be really good if he could stand up for five minutes at a time, unfortunately any time anyone goes near him he pathetically falls over.

My 10 year old son says the same, he either goes down or spends his time shouting and complaining at the ref

[ashton_fan]

I like the fact he always tries to pass the ball forward, perhaps that's why his pass completion rate isn't that special. Also our poor run of results happened while he was injured, we haven't lost a game when he's started. He shouldn't be judged on yesterday where the whole team was out of balance due to our makeshift defence lacking a specialist CB.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Not mad keen on signing Twine especially not if the stayed price tag.

A couple of favourable bits though..I've checked a few numbers.

1) League- Hull. Adjusted for non Penalty goals, 25 Games- 3 Goals, 3 Assists. That is okay..add in 1 Penalty. 0.24 and 0.28 G/A per game.

2) For us in the 5 since he returned he won 3.2 Fouls per game. Scott was good at that, can assist with building pressure or easing it depending on which half.

Otoh he was out for 2 months, 1 Goal, no Assist for us..seems risky.

If the price is right consider it, if not then look elsewhere.

Edited April 14 by Mr Popodopolous

[Dredd]

I'd take him for a million, that isn't going to happen. His set piece delivery is good, we might reap the benefits a bit more with Dickie/Atkinson in the side but from open play there's been nothing spectacular for me

[And Its Smith]

There was a lot of opposition to this loan but I think it has worked well as it has shown that he isn’t exactly what we need and we now know that the £4m that Burnley allegedly want is too much 

[Admiral Blake]

He is returning from injury and City are unbeaten when he's played. I doubt Burnley would see him as a starter next season so at the right price he would be a decent fit.

[wendyredredrobin]

Might take him on a 1 year contract as a free transfer at 15k per week, but neither Burnley or Twine will accept that, so it's bye bye at the end of the season I think unless we are in the market to waste our money.

If we have seen what he can do whilst playing for a contract, I can't imagine we would see anything better having signed one.

[Loosey Boy]

Was saying to @Davefevs earlier that I’d sign him if the money was right (£2.5m)

I think that it’s fair to say that we are yet to see the best of him but he’s shown for us (& more so at Hull) that he’s more than capable at this level

I don’t think we’d get much better for the money, unless we take a risk with someone from abroad.

[Offside]

Based on what I’ve seen of him I’m not convinced, especially for what would presumably be a significant outlay (even just wages). He has seemed lightweight and mainly peripheral in games. Yes he was out for a while injured and might have struggled with match fitness, but he hasn’t made the impact I was hoping for. 

[HengroveReds]

Personally think since Twine has played, Conway playing with a lot more confidence and impacting the game. May seem lightweight but puts himself about, and has an eye for a killer pass! I rate him, he’s only going to get better too at only 24. 
 

We could have a world beater and we’d still complain.

[Back of the Dolman]

5 hours ago, marcofisher said:

I expect Burnley to come down and probably look to get value from him on the pitch rather than sell him.

I wonder if Burnley come down whether they might offer Twine in return for Tommy

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, ashton_fan said:

I like the fact he always tries to pass the ball forward, perhaps that's why his pass completion rate isn't that special. Also our poor run of results happened while he was injured, we haven't lost a game when he's started. He shouldn't be judged on yesterday where the whole team was out of balance due to our makeshift defence lacking a specialist CB.

FWIW I’ve not looked at any stats for Twine, what I’ve seen with my eyes is enough.  I think suggesting Twine is behind our results, and him being out behind the losses is a big reach (my opinion).  Against Leicester he wasn’t on the pitch when we scored for example.  I’m not convinced his inability to retain the ball under challenge is much to do with a makeshift defence.  I’m not sure what the reason was for his other peripheral performances have been.

Who knows, maybe he has a storming final 3 games, but I’ve been hugely underwhelmed so far.  

Sorry to be so down on this one.  I was really excited to see him in a City shirt having thought we missed out on him previously.

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

There was a lot of opposition to this loan but I think it has worked well as it has shown that he isn’t exactly what we need and we now know that the £4m that Burnley allegedly want is too much 

I agree to a very small extent….But It cost us to find out.  I don’t expect recruitment to nail it every time, but I’d hope it wouldn’t always take a loan (with loan fee and wages) to find out.  Ditto Mebude.

I still think we will try to get him too.  I bloody hope not though.

26 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

I wonder if Burnley come down whether they might offer Twine in return for Tommy

They’d have to give us some £millions too imho!

Edited April 14 by Davefevs